Thanks for pointing that out to me. When I have time I'll go back through the thread.BeantownIdaho said:
Red Sox Deadline Discussion (nothing is credible) thread
- Thread starter soxhop411
- Start date
“@Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Cubs among teams engaged in ongoing dialogue with #Indians about deal for Carrasco. Teams continuing to call CLE, make offers.”
“@jcrasnick: The #Indians have been involved with a ”large number of teams’‘ on Carlos Carrasco, says one MLB official.”
So he is available.
“@jcrasnick: The #Indians have been involved with a ”large number of teams’‘ on Carlos Carrasco, says one MLB official.”
So he is available.
Jerry Crasnick had a tweet a few minutes ago regarding the Sox interest in controllable pitching including Carrasco. I wouldn't be stunned personally the way this is going if they pull off some bat shit crazy deal for Sonny Gray. Pipe dream but I mean it seems like everyone is getting traded these days.Snodgrass'Muff said:
@JonHeymanCBS: word is out red sox could have interest in kimbrel. that would make things interesting for yanks (& astros)
Kimbrel for the next few years would be the most dominant AL closer. No disrespect to Miller and Holland. I'm just scared what they would be offering for him.TimScribble said:
These leaks also strike me as "the Red Sox just rated the best minor league system" and they are interested so up your offers.
Yea, no doubt Red Sox are legit looking for pitching, but a lot of this is making other teams put in competitive offers.shoosh77 said:
I think Ross is exactly the type of guy they are looking for, and I wouldn't be one bit surprised if the landed a similar player. This team needs above average starting pitching way more than it needs anything else. I'd be absolutely willing to give up Margot + , given the current OF situation, for a few years of cost controlled above average starter.MakMan44 said:
Should be a fun day.
Padres want a SS. Marerro would be part of a package going over, if it were to happen. Can we include Pablo?
Two lines of thoughtRudy Pemberton said:
1) Assuming the contract would lessen the prospects going to SD
2) Kimbrel would be a free agent after his age 30 season. He's controllable pitching to a lesser extent and actually fits the philosophy well.
I'll add another caveat into this. I think if they get Kimbrel then Koji and perhaps Taz goes elsewhere.
TimScribble said:
Marrero is the second coming of Adam Everett. Why would San Diego ever do that deal unless thee was a first tier prospect in the package?
Assuming Kimbrel's contract would be part of getting Ross. Then they might be able to either flip Kimbrel or deal Koji. I guess flipping him would require a lot of moving parts, but if teams have talked to SD already and SD likes the Sox prospects more, it could happen.
Rudy Pemberton said:
It's actually 2 years/$25M (plus the remainder of this one) left on his deal, 2018 is a club option.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/nl-west/san-diego-padres/
The Yankees are in on Kimbrell and are willing to take on the entire salary.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/craig-kimbrel-yankees-trade-astros.html
There isn't much chance of the Red Sox bettering that offer.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/craig-kimbrel-yankees-trade-astros.html
There isn't much chance of the Red Sox bettering that offer.
Like Mak I completely agree with this. The Sox desperately need above average SP and RP, and it looks like some are available.SouthernBoSox said:
In a vacuum I would rather get Carrasco as an SP, but a package of Ross and Kimbrel would be pretty compelling.
And honestly, at the risk of starting a different conversation, if they could somehow find a way to include Panda -- who let us remember turned down more money from the Padres this winter, according to reports -- in that deal I would pop a bottle of mediocre champagne.
Edit:
Maybe, maybe not. I think the Sox could certainly afford to take on the salary if need be, and they may feel the need to do so given the dire state of the team and its pitchers.Max Power said:
Edit again: I'll join the chorus about our farm system. The only trump card the Yankees have is Severino, who I think they would be certifiable to trade for just about anyone.
Unless of course the Sox also offer to take on salary. Yankees system is improving but it really can't touch the SoxMax Power said:
Max Power said:
If they're still refusing to include their top prospects, the Sox could absolutely beat that offer. You are assuming that the primary concern is offloading money. I would guess that they are more interested in restocking their farm and if they can find a nice balance between the two, they'll jump at that.
Max Power said:
Why not? They can take the contract too, and potentially give up a better prospect. Heck, perhaps even expand the deal to include a starting pitcher, or Sandoval or something. In the offseason, you unload Koji (may be eat half his deal). They do need to rebuild that bullpen - I think they should be on Kimbrel.
Edit: lol, too slow.
j44thor said:
I'm confused as to why the Red Sox would be in on Kimbrel at all right now. I know the bullpen has been a shambles for the most part this year, but is that where they should be spending any of their good chips? I guess if it's a cost of acquiring someone like Ross, there's no reason for it to be a dealbreaker, but I can't see them targeting Kimbrel specifically. So I'm more of a mind to think it's whispers from the Padres end to try to pressure teams like the Yankees to up their offers than to believe there's actually any smoke here, let alone fire.
The Sox are also interested in Ross ..
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/tyson-ross-red-sox-padres.html
This mentions Kimbrel may also be in play
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/tyson-ross-red-sox-padres.html
This mentions Kimbrel may also be in play
Red(s)HawksFan said:
I think Kimbrel makes a lot of sense. Three seasons of control after this year at reasonable dollars for an elite reliever, and then they can make qualifying offers for not much more than he'll be getting paid at the end of that deal to either suppress his market and extend him, or keep him around year to year until he starts to decline. He'd be a great asset to add to the organization and would give them an anchor to build around in the pen long term. Obviously you don't want to give up a Devers, Moncada or Margot to get him, but if the cost in prospects isn't too bad, I'd love to see the Sox snag him.
Craig Kimbrel's peripherals have trended the wrong direction for four years and elite RP have a notoriously short shelf life, esp. those that peak in their early 20's. If the team could get him on mostly a salary dump and the team was not queesy about the LT hit, I'd say go for it, but it seems like those two aspects are not the case.
Although, on the $$ front, I find it somewhat amusing that most of this board has a problem paying Clay Buchholz $13m (who even when hurt averages 2.5 fWAR/year), but will gladly pay a RP that (guaranteed) who has averaged 2.3 WAR the last couple years and is on pace for like 1.7 this year.
Although, on the $$ front, I find it somewhat amusing that most of this board has a problem paying Clay Buchholz $13m (who even when hurt averages 2.5 fWAR/year), but will gladly pay a RP that (guaranteed) who has averaged 2.3 WAR the last couple years and is on pace for like 1.7 this year.
And Carrasco (thank god)
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/cubs-indians-discussing-carlos-carrasco.html
I like Carrasco the best among the rumoured available cost controlled pitchers.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/cubs-indians-discussing-carlos-carrasco.html
I like Carrasco the best among the rumoured available cost controlled pitchers.
Frankly, as long as Allard Baird is in charge of evaluating players, I don't want the Red Sox to be making any trades to acquire anyone major.
We should be spending today trying to dump Sandoval and Porcello's contracts. It would probably be impossible, but that would be a lot more productive than giving up young talent for the players Baird and company sign off on. Try to fix the mistakes, don't double down on them by giving up young talent to add pieces around them.
We should be spending today trying to dump Sandoval and Porcello's contracts. It would probably be impossible, but that would be a lot more productive than giving up young talent for the players Baird and company sign off on. Try to fix the mistakes, don't double down on them by giving up young talent to add pieces around them.
They are willing to take Kimbrel's salary because SD owners want to shed salary. If the price of getting Ross is also getting a lights-out closer, I'm all for it. They need talent upgrades in so many areas.Red(s)HawksFan said:
Cubs supposedly looking to move Castro...........Couldn't the Sox trade Koji to the Cubs for Castro and then flip Castro to the Padres with other pieces to grab Kimbrel & Ross
Tyson Ross leads MLB in walks with 61 and the next highest is Julio Teheran with 49. But, he's MLB third in GB/FB ratio and tied for 11th in strikeouts. As Mike Krukow might say, he gets a wild hair across his nose quite often. Still, he has the arsenal to pitch out of trouble. Then again, he often pitches in those spacious NL West parks, which helps him (Colorado excepted). Carrasco looks better to me.
This. Specifically Sandoval. And if we can add Napoli, Hanigan, Koji for free (and a disappointing/blocked prospect like Marrero), to make the deal work, as long no need to subsidize Sandoval, I'm good. Just get rid of him and the contrac, without future key young pieces, and it will be a success.The Gray Eagle said:
Let's go Pirates, pull the trigger.
Porcello, Miley, Masterson, we can probably wait on for August or offseason.
(No way Sandoval gets picked up if we waive him in August, correct?) If so, do that and let go.
Strap in.
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 17s17 seconds ago
There is some speculation within the industry about a possible BOS/Cubs/Padres three-way blockbuster taking shape. Lots of pieces that fit.
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 17s17 seconds ago
There is some speculation within the industry about a possible BOS/Cubs/Padres three-way blockbuster taking shape. Lots of pieces that fit.
Corsi said:
The problem being that it seems like Ben and Theo are essentially after the same thing.
Nice so Kris Bryant is coming here....Corsi said:
It probably had Tazawa and prospects going from us maybe we get Ross and Kimbrel and they give up Castro?
I've watched most of his starts since I have him in another league. He's not really pitch efficient either, only working into the 7th in 5 of his starts. Lots of foul balls. He gives up a lot of weak contact though and his home run rate is stupidly low which hikes up his WAR. Kind of reminds me of Kevin Brown.Al Zarilla said:
The Sox aren't moving Sandoval. He has largely been what they thought he was going to be.Ale Xander said:
What team in their right mind would take Porcello right now, and why would the Sox sell him at an all-time low after having made the investment in him that they did this year? He has been atrocious, but this has been the aberration in an otherwise really solid career.
Masterson is a free agent this offseason, so the Sox most likely won't be trading him. Miley has been a very solid #3 or #4 type starter, why would they move him?
Sandoval is having both the worst offensive and defensive year of his career. I'm pretty sure that's not what they thought they were getting for $20 million a year.RGREELEY33 said:
Not much to add other than I would LOVE to see Kimbrel here. Closer was going to be a huge question mark going forward. It would be nice to have that locked down for the next few seasons.
In any three-way deal with San Diego and the Cubs, our priorities clearly need to be 1) controllable starting pitching, 2) salary relief and 3) reacquiring Jenny Dell.