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I like the notion of looking at the teams by division - PFF grades are helpful for determining how to compare players against others at the same position, but shouldn't really be relied on to build a holistic ranking of a team. For example - I buy into the idea that JJ Watt was worth twice as much as the next best 3-4 DE, and Richard Sherman was twice as good as Jonathan Joseph. I don't necessarily think that it "proves" Watt was ten times more valuable than Sherman.

The Divisional format gives us enough structure to evaluate each team without it being too chaotic or overwhelming. We can identify the terrible teams and the really good ones and go from there.



Than again - I'm also totally ok with simply reversing the previous draft order and leaving it at that.     :-D
 

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I do have respect for the exercise but a 10 times multiplier seems excessive.
 

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I do have respect for the exercise but a 10 times multiplier seems excessive.


Maybe you do but I don't understand how someone can seriously suggest "2 or 3 maybe" without being very biased.

If you were starting a franchise today and you could either have Russell Wilson or a package or Alfred Morris, lardarius Webb, and Ben Grubbs which would you pick. For me it's easily Wilson.
 

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Just for reference, here are the ElCab Dolphins PFF ratings by position:

QB: -10.8 (not going to count Barkley who only played in 3 games and is a -12.1. I'd be at -22.9 if I did)
HB:   -5.4
TE:    -6.0 (doesn't include Dwayne Allen who was injured all year)
WR:    5.9
OL:   83.4 (26.5, 22.8, 13.8, 13.2, 7.1), this seems like a position that needs to be weight adjusted
Total Offense: 66.1
 
DL:   50.2 (25.9, 11.3, 15.1, -1.2, -0.9), another one that seems to need some adjustment
LB:     5.2 
CB:    3.7
S:       -2.9
Total Defense: 56.2
 
K: n/a, injured in preseason
P: 32.4 obviously needs to be adjusted.
 
Team Total: 154.7 

 
 

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I don't like the "QB by 10x" multiplier, but only because of how crass it is as a method. I do think it should be weighted, though.
 
In order to solve the "JJ Watt is a 1 million and Sherman is a 12" issue, why don't we rank the players based on their position, lowest total score has the best total team (we can apply multipliers later).
 
For example:
 
There were 45 3-4 DT's that played at least 25% of snaps. JJ Watt was considered the best 3-4 DT in football. He gets a score of "1". Kendall Reyes is the worst 3-4 DT in football, so he get's a score of 45.
 
By ranking players this way, it negates the "How the hell is Watt 10x more important than Sherman?" issue by ranking against peers. We can consider positional multipliers after we do this.
 
Thoughts?
 

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phragle said:
You don't think QB is by far the most important position?
 
I never said that.
 
In fact, i said that it should be weighted.
 
I'd just like to get closer to an actual weighted number than simply rounding up to 10 and calling it a day.
 
Did you have thoughts on the other (main) idea in my post?
 

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If we use my method and decide to rank players against peers with lowest score winning (like golf), then it's easy enough to weight my position as well.
 
If we decide that QB should be weighted as 10x more important, then we simply add the rank 10x into the equation.
 
Example:
 
Peyton Manning was ranked #1 overall of 42 QB's. He gets a score of 1.
 
Because we're weighting it as 10x more important, we multiply the QB position by 10.
 
Peyton Manning's weighted score is 10.
 
Ryan Fitzpatrick was ranked 21st of all QB's. He gets a score of 21.
 
Because we're weighting it as 10x more important, we multiply the QB position by 10.
 
Ryan Fitzpatrick's weighted score is 210.
 
The lower the score, the better the player. In this case, Manning was 200 points better than Fitzpatrick.
 
We can weight based on position, with "1" being least important positions (kicker, punter, etc), while more important positions (left tackle, corner, whatever we decide) gets weighted higher. All the way up to QB.
 
Could be a fun exercise to see how people value the importance of positions.
 

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Kenny F'ing Powers said:
I never said that.
 
In fact, i said that it should be weighted.
 
I'd just like to get closer to an actual weighted number than simply rounding up to 10 and calling it a day.
 
Did you have thoughts on the other (main) idea in my post?
I don't see how it's any better or worse than adding up the ratings.

I don't think any form of ratings should decide anything. It may help decide, but I'd like to think we can compare two depth charts and decide who is more likely to win.
 

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I think everyone agrees that PFF ratings / rankings are not ideal indicators of quality, so why are we talking about how to aggregate them into one final number?
 

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So, PFF rankings are stupid, but a Madden sim was the way to go?
 
Yikes.
 
There is no perfect method, but having people look at a team and pick their favorite seems like the worst of all options.
 

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A Madden sim would have been fun just to see how that panned out, I think it might have showed how our teams gelled together, that's about it. I don't remember anyone saying that it was the way to go and I doubt anyone would've taken that seriously. Just like the PFF rankings shouldn't be taken seriously.
 

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DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
 
Because, despite how smart we all like to pretend to be, there's a strong possibility that we won't know dick about half the people on the roster. It becomes a "I know that name" game.
 

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Seems like we're never going to agree on anything.
 
The only thing that makes no sense to me is giving up on deciding who was the best and just reversing the order. That is the equivalent of a wasted season to me.
 
Why don't we take the teams that were disasters and put them in the losers bracket, then take the rest of the teams and vote on which ones make the playoffs, then vote on each playoff game.
 
Draft order would be:
1. Disasters
2. Non-playoff teams
3. Wildcard round losers
4. Divisional round losers
5. Conference losers
6. Championship runner-up
7. Champion
 

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Kenny F'ing Powers said:
Because, despite how smart we all like to pretend to be, there's a strong possibility that we won't know dick about half the people on the roster. It becomes a "I know that name" game.
 
The divisions voting with each team, broken down by any way you please, would help this. I don't think anyone would just post the rosters and vote. We would throw PFF numbers in there, Madden numbers, real stats, 5 paragraph essays of your scheme and why you'd be successful, whatever you want. Hell maybe we'd even learn something from it. I know not every team would be up for putting in the work for this (which I think is the only negative), but it's a long offseason and spending a couple weeks arguing over each team and voting would be a pretty fun exercise. 
 
I think this takes the best of all worlds, opens up the discussion, picks a 'winner', and ends in us having a draft order. 
 
Honestly though I might be in the minority. I'm still open to whatever the group decides.
 

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DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
The divisions voting with each team, broken down by any way you please, would help this. I don't think anyone would just post the rosters and vote. We would throw PFF numbers in there, Madden numbers, real stats, 5 paragraph essays of your scheme and why you'd be successful, whatever you want. Hell maybe we'd even learn something from it. I know not every team would be up for putting in the work for this (which I think is the only negative), but it's a long offseason and spending a couple weeks arguing over each team and voting would be a pretty fun exercise. 
 
I think this takes the best of all worlds, opens up the discussion, picks a 'winner', and ends in us having a draft order. 
 
Honestly though I might be in the minority. I'm still open to whatever the group decides.
I'm into this suggestion just in terms of shit to do to make a long offseason go by. But how does it really produce a draft order?
 

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Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
I'm into this suggestion just in terms of shit to do to make a long offseason go by. But how does it really produce a draft order?
 
I think the idea is that, as we analyze each Division, we could seperate teams into at least 3 buckets:   Playoff teams, Total Busts, and Everyone Else.   The Busts from each Division could then be compared and we find someway to determine a draft order amongst them for the first picks. (Whether we vote, totally randomize, or somewhere in between like weighted randomization need not be necessarily agreed upon immediately).   The Playoff Teams do the same on the other end, to see who "won" an figure out the last teams in the draft order.  And then we're only really left with trying to order Everyone Else. 
 
 
Again - I'm totally OK with just taking the "easy" way out and reversing draft order, but I'd love to see some of the more informed posters here go through this exercise team by team.  Learning more about football was part of the point of this whole thing, right?  I mean - beyond standard dick-measuring.  :)
 

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sleepyjose03 said:
I think the idea is that, as we analyze each Division, we could seperate teams into at least 3 buckets:   Playoff teams, Total Busts, and Everyone Else.   The Busts from each Division could then be compared and we find someway to determine a draft order amongst them for the first picks. (Whether we vote, totally randomize, or somewhere in between like weighted randomization need not be necessarily agreed upon immediately).   The Playoff Teams do the same on the other end, to see who "won" an figure out the last teams in the draft order.  And then we're only really left with trying to order Everyone Else.
Ahhh, gotcha.

I think rank-ordering all the teams within these categories is kind of arbitrary but dividing them into categories and then randomizing within each group seems feasible.

Edit: Thinking about this further...just doing eight division winners in the top group, worst team in each division in the bottom group, and then everybody else in the middle seems like the most practical approach. The only caveat is that I still think we might end up some teams who picked very high in the draft picking very high again and some teams who picked low in the draft picking low again. Whether thats a problem or not, I don't know.
 

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Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
Edit: Thinking about this further...just doing eight division winners in the top group, worst team in each division in the bottom group, and then everybody else in the middle seems like the most practical approach.
 
Yeah that's pretty much exactly what I was going for. I didn't mean it would give us a perfect order, but at the worst it would get us much closer. 
 

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I like that approach as well, and as the guy with the most to lose by any approach other than a straight reverse-order, I think that while not perfect it's probably as good as we can reasonably expect. 
 

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I like this idea.  Open up a thread for each division and keep it open for some amount of time (four days, a week, whatever).  People can make initial nominations in two categories:  Division Winner and Division Loser/Last Place/Bust (I'd even be open to a third category for Wild Card/Playoff Teams, but that might complicate this).  People can argue their "cases" whatever way they want, and at the end of the week put up a poll or just vote in the thread in each category.  Then move on to the next division.  
 
People are free to use any metric to advance their argument (PFF, roster composition on its face, weakness of other teams, number of Rutgers alums, etc) they want to.  
 

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mascho said:
I like this idea.  Open up a thread for each division and keep it open for some amount of time (four days, a week, whatever).  People can make initial nominations in two categories:  Division Winner and Division Loser/Last Place/Bust (I'd even be open to a third category for Wild Card/Playoff Teams, but that might complicate this).  People can argue their "cases" whatever way they want, and at the end of the week put up a poll or just vote in the thread in each category.  Then move on to the next division.  
 
People are free to use any metric to advance their argument (PFF, roster composition on its face, weakness of other teams, number of Rutgers alums, etc) they want to.  
Love this idea.  (Just like I did when I suggested it 9 months ago today.)   ;) 
 

Dollar said:
I think a thread for each division, in which each owner makes a post to pimp their team, their system, their desired style of play, all that good stuff, would be a good way to start.  Then the other 28 owners in the league vote on the division champion at the end of the season.  After the division voting is done, the two best 2nd place vote-getters are the wild card, then we set up the playoff matchups and play that out via either a public vote on the forums, or a secret vote of every owner not in that matchup.  

 
 

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sleepyjose03 said:
I think the idea is that, as we analyze each Division, we could seperate teams into at least 3 buckets:   Playoff teams, Total Busts, and Everyone Else.   The Busts from each Division could then be compared and we find someway to determine a draft order amongst them for the first picks. (Whether we vote, totally randomize, or somewhere in between like weighted randomization need not be necessarily agreed upon immediately).   The Playoff Teams do the same on the other end, to see who "won" an figure out the last teams in the draft order.  And then we're only really left with trying to order Everyone Else. 
 
I like this a lot.
 
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
 Whether thats a problem or not, I don't know.
 
Why would it be?
 
Eck'sSneakyCheese said:
I think that's a great idea; we could probably use the top vote getters from each division as Wild Card teams.
 
I wonder if it would be easiest to have 8 playoff teams in each conference. That way instead of a trying to decide between four playoff teams for two wildcard spots we can just take the best two teams from each division.
 
Dollar said:
Love this idea.  (Just like I did when I suggested it 9 months ago today.)   ;) 
 
I award you one bonus PFF point!
 

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Here's the NFC West Offenses
 
[tablegrid= NFC West Offense ] Cardinals   Rams   49ers   Seahawks   QB Drew Brees 26.5 Cam Newton 8.4 Eli Manning -7.4 Matt Flynn -5.4 QB2             Michael Vick -0.2 RB1 Ray Rice -16.0 Steven Jackson 2.8 David Wilson -1.7 Alfred Morris 5.6 RB2 Ryan Williams IR Montae Ball 3.5 Jonathan Franklin -0.4 Ronnie Brown -0.7 RB3 Joseph Randle -5.6     Roy Helu 0.6     FB Vontae Leach -7.1 Gavin Escobar 0.3 Delanie Walker 1.6 Scott Chandler -3.6 FB/TE             Luke Willson -1.2 TE Tyler Eifert -1.8 Zach Ertz 8.4 Tony Gonzalez -3.0 Rob Gronkowski 12.4 WR1 Jeremy Maclin IR Larry Fitzgerald 16.5 Mike Wallace 0.5 Sidney Rice 1.4 WR2 Justin Hunter 0.3 Coradelle Patterson 6.8 Danny Amendola 6.8 Denarius Moore 1.1 WR3 Aaron Dobson -4.9 Brandon LaFell -3.3 Stedman Bailey 1.8 Chris Givens -6.8 WR4 Devier Posey -1.8 Marlon Brown -0.9         LT Marhsall Newhouse -7.9 William Beatty -6.3 Eugene Monroe -3.6 Matt Kalil -1.5 LG Nate Livings DNP Dallas Thomas 0.0 Andy Levitre 12.3 James Carpenter -13.0 C J.D. Walton DNP Ryan Wendell -14.0 Dominic Raiola 18.6 Max Unger -1.2 RG Chris Snee -6.4 Louis Vazquez 31.1 Uche Nwaneri -0.3 Brian Winters -28.5 RT Kyle Long -3.3 Jermon Bushrod -2.0 Menelik Watson -6.1 Jordan Gross 33.5 OL LaAdrian Waddle 7.9 Ronald Leary 6.1 Charles Brown -9.2 Austin Howard -1.0 OL2     Vance Walker 4.0         [/tablegrid] 
 

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And NFC West Defenses/Special Teams
 
[tablegrid= NFC West Defense/Special Teams ] Cardinals   Rams   49ers   Seahawks   DE1 Darnell Dockett 2.4 Michael Bennett 24.2 Muhammad Wilkerson 17.4 Conner Barwin -0.5 DE2 Trent Cole 22.6 Paul Kruger 4.9 Lamarr Houston 11.4 Alex Okafor -0.7 DT/NT1 Dontari Poe 25.8 Gerald McCoy 57.3 Phil Taylor 8.2 Jason Jones -4.4 DT/NT2 Jarvis Jenkins -3.9 Brandon Williams 4.0 Rolando McClain RET C.J. Mosley 8.8 DL         Tommy Kelly 2.5 Ian Williams -2.7 OLB1 Terrell Suggs 12.9 Erin Henderson -0.4 Brian Orakpo 24.9 Nick Roach -11.5 OLB2 Sam Acho -2.6 Jonathan Vilma -1.4 Dion Jordan 0.1 Sio Moore 8.6 ILB/MLB1 Daryl Washington -1.5 Kevin Minter 0.0 Brad Jones -7.4 James Lauriniatis -8.7 ILB/MLB2 Mike Morgan -1.4 Billy Winn 7.1 Nico Johnson -0.4 William Gholston -3.2 LB Ramon Humber 0.5 Dane Fletcher -2.1 Jasper Brinkley 1.1     LB Bront Bird -1.8             CB1 Nmandi Ashomugha -3.9 Brandon Flowers -5.2 Brent Grimes 16.4 Cortland Finnegan -19.7 CB2 Ike Taylor -8.4 Desmond Trufant 12.2 Kyle Arrington 7.6 Antoine Winfield RET CB3 Brandon Taylor IR Leonard Johnson -14.5 Blidi Wreh-Wilson 1.7 Tharold Simon PUP SS Duke Williams -1.3 Kenny Phillips IR Jarius Byrd 9.9 Dashon Goldson -14.6 FS Jerron McMillan -10.5 Jamarca Sanford 0.6 LaRon Landry -2.3 Kam Chancellor 6.1 DB     Ryan Mundy 0.2 Phillip Adams -13.5 Walter Thurmond III 4.8                   K Jay Feely 21.1 Shaun Suisham 1.7 Dan Bailey 41.3 Phil Dawson 25.1 P Dustin Colquitt 10.6 Donnie Jones 6.1 Johnny Hekker 35.2 Jon Ryan 6.2 [/tablegrid] 
 

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I'd like to go over what we're doing as far as roster reconstruction goes. Now that we've been through a season, I'm partial to having to drop 5 players from my current roster then head back to the draft. I know there was some talk of being able to pick at least 2 players from someones team but what if a few teams don't get any players picked? Won't that make the rosters uneven? 
 
Also thanks to Danooo for doing those charts.
 
Are we going to put together a poll for each division? Or maybe each conference?
 

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If someone wants to JUDICIOUSLY loan me their PFF password, I'll do up some charts like DanooooME did above. I got the time*, I just don't have the PFF access. 
 
* I work from home during the day and have an infant, so it ain't gonna happen fast but it would happen soon. I also work nights not at home and have an infant who is teething, so it ain't happening tomorrow. 
 
OH...and I'll need to official Tom Brady Multiplier. You know, all other QBs are worth X and Brady is worth X+Y. TIA.
 

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soxfan121 said:
If someone wants to JUDICIOUSLY loan me their PFF password, I'll do up some charts like DanooooME did above. 
 
I would offer to do the same but there were some shenanigans last time that happened and I honestly don't want any part of that. (Sorry mascho)
 

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Eck'sSneakyCheese said:
I'd like to go over what we're doing as far as roster reconstruction goes. Now that we've been through a season, I'm partial to having to drop 5 players from my current roster then head back to the draft. I know there was some talk of being able to pick at least 2 players from someones team but what if a few teams don't get any players picked? Won't that make the rosters uneven? 
 
Also thanks to Danooo for doing those charts.
 
Are we going to put together a poll for each division? Or maybe each conference?
 
Can we figure out the champion and draft order before we worry about that? We get bogged down too easily, lets focus on one thing at a time.
 

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phragle said:
 
Can we figure out the champion and draft order before we worry about that? We get bogged down too easily, lets focus on one thing at a time.
 
Ok.
 
So figure out the champion.
 

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Took a stab at the AFC East offenses with PFF numbers. I'll try to update the defenses in a day or two. 
 
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Here's the AFC East Offenses
 
[tablegrid= AFC East Offense ] Dolphins   Patriots   Jets   Billls   QB Christian Ponder -10.8 Nick Foles 5.4 Geno Smith -20.2 Ben Roethlisberger  12.1 QB2 Matt Barkley -12.1           Brian Hoyer 1.9 RB1 Trent Richardson -3.7 Eddie Lacy 17.8 Marshawn Lynch 18.5 Ryan Matthews 3.5 RB2 Chris Ivory -1.7 LaMichael James -0.5 Danny Woodhead 17.1 Brandon Bolden -3.6 RB3             FB     Henry Hynoski -0.6   FB/TE Jordan Cameron  -6.0   Will Yeatman 0.4 Matt Spaeth -4.2 TE Dwayne Allen IR Ladarius Green 7.5 Dennis Pitta -0.9 Kyle Rudolph -0.1 WR1 Keenan Allen 17.0 Torrey Smith 1.5 Marques Colston 14.7 Julio Jones 7.9 WR2 Mohamed Sanu -3.8 Tavon Austin 2.4 Jeremy Kerley 5.1 Antonio Brown 23.2 WR3 Andrew Hawkins 1.6 Da'Rick Rogers -1.1 Markus Wheaton -2.0 Riley Cooper 5.3 WR4 TJ Graham -8.9 Marvin Jones 14.0 Armanti Edwards   -0.4       LT Ryan Clady IR Terron Armstead 0.1 Andrew Whitworth 20.2 Nate Solder 25.6 LG Travis Frederick 13.2 Jah Reid 0.9 David DeCastro 11.8 Kraig Urbik 7.6 C Mike Pouncey 7.1 Jeremy Zuttah -1.9 Brad Meester -11.2 Alex Mack 17.8 RG Larry Warford 22.8 Ryan Miller DNP Stephen Peterman DNP John Moffitt 0.1 RT Zach Strief 26.5 Bobbie Massie -1.7 Marcus Cannon 2.5 Todd Herremans 8.0 OL Brandon Brooks 13.8 Matt Tobin -0.5 Michael Bamiro DNP Erik Pears -5.0 OL2     Alvin Bailey -0.3         [/tablegrid] 
 
 

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Updated AFC East Defense/Special Teams
 
DanoooME said:
And AFC East Defenses/Special Teams
 
[tablegrid= NFC West Defense/Special Teams ] Dolphins   Patriots   Jets   Bills   DE1 Michael Johnson 25.9 JJ Watt 111.6! Kroy Biermann -0.3 Jabaal Sheard 10.1 DE2 Cameron Heyward 11.3 Datone Jones -7.6 John Abraham 8.8 Ray McDonald 11.1 DT/NT1 Star Lotulelei 15.1 Michael Brockers 0.2 Alan Branch 9.8 BJ Raji -14.8 DT/NT2 Cam Thomas -1.2 Kwame Geathers -1.6 Kyle Love -0.1 Matt Shaughnessy -6.3 DL Devon Still -0.9           OLB1 Clay Matthews 1.2 Akeem Ayers 9.0 Aldon Smith 28.7 Sean Weatherspoon -9.1 OLB2 Victor Butler IR Bjoern Werner -6.8 Calvin Pace -1.4 Corey Lemonier 1.1 ILB/MLB1 Donald Butler -11.8 Luke Kuechly   7.7 NaVorro Bowman 20.0 DeAndre Levy 8.7 ILB/MLB2 Karlos Dansby 13.3 Mychal Kendricks -10.0 D'Qwell Jackson -11.6 O'Brien Schofield 1.4 LB Parys Haralson /tdb] 2.5 Danny Trevathan 11.4 Steve Beauharnais DNP Martez Wilson   -1.6 LB               CB1 Dee Milliner -2.6 D. Rogers-Cromartie 13.0 Janoris Jenkins -0.9 Jimmy Smith 3.9 CB2 Alfonzo Dennard -2.8 Josh Robinson -8.8 Eric Wright 1.9 Chris Cook -8.0 CB3 Brandon Boykin 9.1 Jamell Fleming DNP Nolan Caroll 0.4 Brice McCain -21.3 SS DJ Swearinger -7.1 TJ McDonald -9.4 George Wilson 6.1 Matt Elam -3.6 FS Reggie Nelson 4.2 Harrison Smith -4.6 Danieal Manning -2.3 Nate Allen -2.7 DB     Logan Ryan 1.9 Duron Harmon 1.2   Steve Gregory 2.1           Jayron Hosley   0.3     K Connor Barth IR Justin Tucker 33.6 Nick Novak 20.4 Shayne Graham 0.3 P Pat McAfee 32.4 Ryan Allen 8.0 Steve Weatherford 10.0 Sam Koch 11.4 [/tablegrid] 

 

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DanoooME said:
Here's the NFC West Offenses
 
[tablegrid= NFC West Offense ] Cardinals   Rams   49ers   Seahawks   QB Drew Brees 26.5 Cam Newton 8.4 Eli Manning -7.4 Matt Flynn -5.4 QB2             Michael Vick -0.2 RB1 Ray Rice -16.0 Steven Jackson 2.8 David Wilson -1.7 Alfred Morris 5.6 RB2 Ryan Williams IR Montae Ball 3.5 Jonathan Franklin -0.4 Ronnie Brown -0.7 RB3 Joseph Randle -5.6     Roy Helu 0.6     FB Vontae Leach -7.1 Gavin Escobar 0.3 Delanie Walker 1.6 Scott Chandler -3.6 FB/TE             Luke Willson -1.2 TE Tyler Eifert -1.8 Zach Ertz 8.4 Tony Gonzalez -3.0 Rob Gronkowski 12.4 WR1 Jeremy Maclin IR Larry Fitzgerald 16.5 Mike Wallace 0.5 Sidney Rice 1.4 WR2 Justin Hunter 0.3 Coradelle Patterson 6.8 Danny Amendola 6.8 Denarius Moore 1.1 WR3 Aaron Dobson -4.9 Brandon LaFell -3.3 Stedman Bailey 1.8 Chris Givens -6.8 WR4 Devier Posey -1.8 Marlon Brown -0.9         LT Marhsall Newhouse -7.9 William Beatty -6.3 Eugene Monroe -3.6 Matt Kalil -1.5 LG Nate Livings DNP Dallas Thomas 0.0 Andy Levitre 12.3 James Carpenter -13.0 C J.D. Walton DNP Ryan Wendell -14.0 Dominic Raiola 18.6 Max Unger -1.2 RG Chris Snee -6.4 Louis Vazquez 31.1 Uche Nwaneri -0.3 Brian Winters -28.5 RT Kyle Long -3.3 Jermon Bushrod -2.0 Menelik Watson -6.1 Jordan Gross 33.5 OL LaAdrian Waddle 7.9 Ronald Leary 6.1 Charles Brown -9.2 Austin Howard -1.0 OL2     Vance Walker 4.0         [/tablegrid] 
 
Just looked at these numbers a little closer. Eugene Monroe did have a -3.6 rating, but that was only in 4 games with JAX. In the other 11 games with BAL he had a 20.3 rating for a total of 16.7 overall. 
 

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If any of the AFC East teams had players that were traded midseason, let me know so I can double check their PFF scores. I didn't go to each player's individual page for all of these numbers, so there might be a couple that are off. 
 

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ElcaballitoMVP said:
If any of the AFC East teams had players that were traded midseason, let me know so I can double check their PFF scores. I didn't go to each player's individual page for all of these numbers, so there might be a couple that are off. 
 
I don't think it's that simple. There are also special teams ratings that have to get factored in. Or not IDC, but either way it has to be one way or the other across the board.
 
On the player page special teams is factored in, on the positional page and the team page special teams is not factored in.
 
Richard Sherman team page: 12.4
Richard Sherman player page: 16.5
 

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phragle said:
 
I don't think it's that simple. There are also special teams ratings that have to get factored in. Or not IDC, but either way it has to be one way or the other across the board.
 
On the player page special teams is factored in, on the positional page and the team page special teams is not factored in.
 
Richard Sherman team page: 12.4
Richard Sherman player page: 16.5
That's the postseason - a lot of the screens show just regular-season stats but the player screens include the postseason, too.
 

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Since Danoo is in charge of NFC West I had a little time to upload pics of each position from PFF. This way those without a membership can still help out. To save some space and time I only used 25% snaps since that should take care of 90% of our players.
 
http://imgur.com/a/qBvia
 

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Super Nomario said:
That's the postseason - a lot of the screens show just regular-season stats but the player screens include the postseason, too.
 
I'm a moron. We still have to know that the numbers are coming from the same place. Like Logan Mankins played G and T this year and has PFF scores at both positions. That won't be reflected on the positional page, but will on the team and player page.
 

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My LBs were a bit of a disaster. Same with my OL outside of Vasquez who was a steal.
 
McCoy was definitely my best pick, though. Happy to have him around. What a monster.
 

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6 great front 7 players on defense, but no clear scheme due to the missing 7th. Shockingly strong secondary given how late we started picking players back there, but even still, it's mostly just "average" guys with a couple higher performers. It's not exactly the Seahawks back there. Offense...devastated by injuries. Hobbled RGIII, Vereen missed most of the year, Harvin missed almost all year, Sam Baker out for the season, no center, disastrously bad wide receivers. The defense might keep things close at first, but that team just wouldn't put points on the board. That's a bottom 10 team if I had to guess.

That said, give that team a full season of healthy Harvin and Vereen, and get RGIII looking like his rookie self? That I'd still like to see.