Rafael Devers: post extension performance

shaggydog2000

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His defense has improved but would still look at him as the long term DH, replacing Yoshida.
So you would move the MLB leader in 3B f-war to DH while he is still capable of playing the field because you don't like Yoshida as a DH, or because we have a better 3B you would rather have play there? Because I think there are non-Yoshida or Devers solutions to the DH issue.
 
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So you would move the MLB leader in 3B f-war to DH while he is still capable of playing the field because you don't like Yoshida as a DH, or because we have a better 3B you would rather have play there? Because I think there are non-Yoshida or Devers solutions to the DH issue.
Yes long term. There could be other DH solutions but the clock is ticking on Yoshida.
 

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Yes long term. There could be other DH solutions but the clock is ticking on Yoshida.
Ok. I'll bite. Who becomes the new 3B? You're betting Romy Gonzalez is going to be a better hitter and healthier as a 3B than Yoshida will be as a DH? Or are you counting on promoting some prospect you think will definitely be better? Or will there be a trade for a freely available 3B? Wouldn't it be a lot easier to find a DH and let the all star 3B continue to be a 3B until he has to move off the position?
 

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Watching the games, I would describe Devers this year as a very good defensive 3B. His play this year in no way suggests that getting him off 3B is any kind of priority. At this point, it ain't broke. 3B defense is not, in my opinion, something that needs to be fixed right now. If he continues as he has this year, it won't be a problem for several years yet.

*Note: I am substantially skeptical about advanced defensive metrics. I understand that some metrics grade Devers' defense as bad this year. Having watched the games, I would cordially agree to disagree.
 

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Watching the games, I would describe Devers this year as a very good defensive 3B. His play this year in no way suggests that getting him off 3B is any kind of priority. At this point, it ain't broke. 3B defense is not, in my opinion, something that needs to be fixed right now. If he continues as he has this year, it won't be a problem for several years yet.

*Note: I am substantially skeptical about advanced defensive metrics. I understand that some metrics grade Devers' defense as bad this year. Having watched the games, I would cordially agree to disagree.
+1 to this. I watch the games as well. advanced D metrics are fine but don’t tell the whole story. Devers has been above average this year on D, and crushing the ball now that his shoulder is healthy. In addition, when Rafaela is at SS, there is a chemistry that you see there between the two, communicating and making it work. Just watch the fucking games and you’ll see it for christ‘s sake. If you move him to DH at 27 yrs old, he may become disinterested and disengaged. Advanced metrics should be one part of the game, not the end all be all.
 

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Devers biggest issue from what I could see was his focus and decision making. He seems to be a goofy bastard which I think helps to keep the clubhouse loose and fun but can also cause lack of focus. He does appear to be more focused lately and his errors have plummeted
 

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To add on: I am officially exhausted by the “I support moving Raffy to DH, allow me to explain the fantastical scenarios under which it could happen” posts that have been going on, to my knowledge, since around the time he was a rookie.

 

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Devers is taking himself out of the All-Star Game due to his shoulder soreness per Alex Cora.
Good. Clearly the shoulder isn't causing him too much trouble with the way he's been hitting of late, but if it provides a convenient excuse for him to get four days off, I'll take it.
 
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Ok. I'll bite. Who becomes the new 3B? You're betting Romy Gonzalez is going to be a better hitter and healthier as a 3B than Yoshida will be as a DH? Or are you counting on promoting some prospect you think will definitely be better? Or will there be a trade for a freely available 3B? Wouldn't it be a lot easier to find a DH and let the all star 3B continue to be a 3B until he has to move off the position?
He's a long term investment and getting him off the field will protect and extend the investment. You're going to find a premier DH at his level? Story could go to 3B when Mayer is ready. Or perhaps get a 3B by trade. Looking back Pedroia was a long term investment that was partially lost because he stayed on the field, but right now would you take a healthy Pedroia over Yoshida at DH?
 

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He's in his 20s. He can field the position. Maybe that's a valid point in five years.
 

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He's a long term investment and getting him off the field will protect and extend the investment. You're going to find a premier DH at his level? Story could go to 3B when Mayer is ready. Or perhaps get a 3B by trade. Looking back Pedroia was a long term investment that was partially lost because he stayed on the field, but right now would you take a healthy Pedroia over Yoshida at DH?
Pedroia at age 40? Give me Yoshida, thanks. (and I loved Pedey)

They didn't invest $300M in Devers for him to be a DH for the entirety of the contract. They invested him to be their 3B for the foreseeable future. It's not as though they won't be able to move him to DH at some point. There's no need to rush it for fear of some injury befalling him
 

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Yes long term. There could be other DH solutions but the clock is ticking on Yoshida.
You want Dalbec taking the Yoshida at bats? Because that’s what happens if/when you move Devers to DH and Yoshida to another team.
they do get better defensively but . . .
 

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... Pedroia was a long term investment that was partially lost because he stayed on the field...
The injury that was the beginning of the end for Dustin was Manny Machado's dirty slide. A player is meaningfully injured by a dirty play pretty rarely. It would be one thing if Pedroia's injuries were from repeated diving or something, but I think this is more fairly characterized as a freak accident than a legitimate risk that we should account for in deploying the team. Nomar was a long term investment that was partially lost because he was HBP; it doesn't follow that we should be pinch hitting for Raffy to avoid that risk.
 
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Pedroia at age 40? Give me Yoshida, thanks. (and I loved Pedey)

They didn't invest $300M in Devers for him to be a DH for the entirety of the contract. They invested him to be their 3B for the foreseeable future. It's not as though they won't be able to move him to DH at some point. There's no need to rush it for fear of some injury befalling him
Let me clarify a healthy Pedroia before his injury not at age 40 lol. There is always the risk of injury that can end a career. I'd prefer to improve the defense at 3B and minimize the risk of losing a great hitter.
 

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Today, isn’t there just one red seat only out there, Ted’s seat, about 500 feet from home plate? So, what red seat did Raffy break?
Raffy's home run wasn't into the bleachers. It was into the section of the grandstand that hooks around Pesky's Pole. Unlike the bleacher seats (which are all green except for Ted's seat), the seats in the grandstand are all red.
 

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Raffy's home run wasn't into the bleachers. It was into the section of the grandstand that hooks around Pesky's Pole. Unlike the bleacher seats (which are all green except for Ted's seat), the seats in the grandstand are all red.
The box seats in those sections are red, there are blue grandstand seats behind them.
 

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Raffy's home run wasn't into the bleachers. It was into the section of the grandstand that hooks around Pesky's Pole. Unlike the bleacher seats (which are all green except for Ted's seat), the seats in the grandstand are all red.
The box seats in those sections are red, there are blue grandstand seats behind them.
Yeah, I see all of that now in the videos of Raffy’s destructive homer LOL. Haven’t been to Fenway in so long, and my Oakland venue for Sox games is going away. Gonna be mostly TV for me.