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Guy is a total jackass but he’s right on a lot of these points, sadly.
he's full-on cuckoo, I muted it after 60 seconds

Bam's moving screens are tough to navigate, especially if KP is guarding BA and dropping. Until the Refs whistle or Boston adjusts coverage Spo will run it incessantly

ALSO credit to Miami for swinging the ball around, finding open 3s & hitting them
 

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EVen by his standards that was dumb. I stopped when I got to the point where he said they should be jamming the screener 25 feet from the basket and going under to give Herro 3s, then argued that it was bad coaching that led to Jaylen Brown losing him man........
 

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I had said in other thread that we are a switch defense and I wasn’t sure what Spo had done to create so much space. From that video it looks like he basically realized we weren’t going to switch our bigs and they just annihilated the drop coverage all night. Possession after possession of putting the bigs in drop
 

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I had said in other thread that we are a switch defense and I wasn’t sure what Spo had done to create so much space. From that video it looks like he basically realized we weren’t going to switch our bigs and they just annihilated the drop coverage all night. Possession after possession of putting the bigs in drop
We've been a drop team all year
 

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he's full-on cuckoo, I muted it after 60 seconds

Bam's moving screens are tough to navigate, especially if KP is guarding BA and dropping. Until the Refs whistle or Boston adjusts coverage Spo will run it incessantly

ALSO credit to Miami for swinging the ball around, finding open 3s & hitting them
Yup. Biggest thing watching those highlights that the Heat were simply patient. They had a plan and executed it, made a lot of good passing decisions, and exploited the Celtics’ inexplicable lack of focus. Like, if this were not a team I despise, I’d be tipping my cap.
 

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We've been a drop team all year
We played with it a bit at times but I agree. I was speaking about our general strength being switchability and autocorrect took the y off of “switchy” in the post you quoted.

Exasperated guy goes way overboard on what are micro decisions by players but it’s clear from the pattern of the video that they just destroyed us on the drop coverage
 

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We played with it a bit at times but I agree. I was speaking about our general strength being switchability and autocorrect took the y off of “switchy” in the post you quoted.

Exasperated guy goes way overboard on what are micro decisions by players but it’s clear from the pattern of the video that they just destroyed us on the drop coverage
We're not good at switching really anymore, Porzingis is much better in drop, and at this point so is Horford, Jaylen struggles in switch too.

Yes they destroyed us while we played drop, but... a lot of it was poor decisions off-ball more than coverage issues, and some of it was.... in the NBA you have to decide who and what you're willing to live with, and the Celtics decided 3s from the non-Herro/Robinson guys (particularly Martin/Jacquez) was what they could live with, usually an okay plan.

I think they should absolutely stick with drop. Better luck... they would have won, better execution... probably win. Sometimes a team just catches fire from 3, even bad shooters.

I had a lot more problems with the offense than the defense, even hitting 23/43 from deep the Heat only scored 111 points. That tells me that as frustrating as it was to watch... the defense was still easily at the level you can win with. The offense on the other hand was a mess.
 

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We're not good at switching really anymore, Porzingis is much better in drop, and at this point so is Horford, Jaylen struggles in switch too.

Yes they destroyed us while we played drop, but... a lot of it was poor decisions off-ball more than coverage issues, and some of it was.... in the NBA you have to decide who and what you're willing to live with, and the Celtics decided 3s from the non-Herro/Robinson guys (particularly Martin/Jacquez) was what they could live with, usually an okay plan.

I think they should absolutely stick with drop. Better luck... they would have won, better execution... probably win. Sometimes a team just catches fire from 3, even bad shooters.

I had a lot more problems with the offense than the defense, even hitting 23/43 from deep the Heat only scored 111 points. That tells me that as frustrating as it was to watch... the defense was still easily at the level you can win with. The offense on the other hand was a mess.
KP was a mess on both sides of the floor and the offense wasn't great BUT

Miami shot 50% or better in 3 of their 4 wins against Boston in the playoffs last year. This is how they beat the C's.

Letting the Heat shoot OPEN 3s like they did last night is a really bad strategy.
Its the playoffs (much different than regular season) the Heat adjusted after G1, it's the C's turn to make adjustments
 

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We just had this conversation after game 1 and I thought Bam scored pretty easily in the paint. The responses to me were that the Cs had a great strategy of letting Bam try to get his, but close out on the shooters.

So game 2 what do the Celtics do? Not close out on the shooters. Why the change in strategy? Or was it more just lack of effort on Boston's part?
 

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I think the focus here tends to be on what the Celtics do wrong instead of what the Heat do right. It was the same way last year, even though they had beaten two teams pretty handily in the first two rounds.

Should the Celtics handle them pretty easily? Of course. But it's just freaking infuriating how much better the Heat play when the playoffs start. The team that showed up last night was so much better than your average 8 seed. There is so much the Celtics could or should have done better. We think that teams should be redline in intensity when the playoffs come around and should not overlook anyone, but that's unrealistic when you're talking about a two month slog. But for pete's sake, there are a number of teams in the NBA that the Celtics would sweep pretty easily and get a nice confidence building series. But the Heat are just a different kettle of fish. Sucks. Now we know. At least the team knows 1-1 instead of 0-2 like last year.
 

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We just had this conversation after game 1 and I thought Bam scored pretty easily in the paint. The responses to me were that the Cs had a great strategy of letting Bam try to get his, but close out on the shooters.

So game 2 what do the Celtics do? Not close out on the shooters. Why the change in strategy? Or was it more just lack of effort on Boston's part?
SOme of it was closeout issues, but.....
The Celtics let certain guys take all the 3s they wanted in game 1 (Jovic, Martin, Jacquez, Bam, Wright, Highsmith) there was even that hilarious play where Jrue went to closeout and realized it was Bam and ran away.
The differences were:
1. Heat were more hesitant to take them...
2. Those guys shot 7/23 on those shots
 

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SOme of it was closeout issues, but.....
The Celtics let certain guys take all the 3s they wanted in game 1 (Jovic, Martin, Jacquez, Bam, Wright, Highsmith) there was even that hilarious play where Jrue went to closeout and realized it was Bam and ran away.
The differences were:
1. Heat were more hesitant to take them...
2. Those guys shot 7/23 on those shots
if they continue to give up wide-open/open 3s, like last night, this series will go 6 or 7
 

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Wow, I almost got all the way through one of those before I couldn't take it anymore. Takeaway is that they played less drop and stayed connected to shooters a little better? Great defense no matter what the changes were for sure.
 

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Wow, I almost got all the way through one of those before I couldn't take it anymore. Takeaway is that they played less drop and stayed connected to shooters a little better? Great defense no matter what the changes were for sure.
definitely a combination of effort, staying connected to the perimeter players, & slightly less drop on the Bam moving screens
 

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definitely a combination of effort, staying connected to the perimeter players, & slightly less drop on the Bam moving screens
Effective NBA playoff adjustments are usually this: lots of micro things in response to specific deficiencies and small gaps you're leaving the other team.

They're rarely big ones like "stop guarding Tony Allen" or "bench Kanter".
 

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Yeah he's legit good on that end in a lot of matchups. I'm more concerned that he stopped being able to create his own shot in the playoffs.
He and Hauser have sort of faded a bit on the offensive side of the ball this series.. but I’d imagine PP has deferred to others on offense to get the best quality shots. He’s still forcing the pace.

Also his and Hauser’s defense has made them playable for much longer stretches than last year.. part of the growth of this team has been those two and Luke being legitimately playable.
 

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He and Hauser have sort of faded a bit on the offensive side of the ball this series.. but I’d imagine PP has deferred to others on offense to get the best quality shots. He’s still forcing the pace.

Also his and Hauser’s defense has made them playable for much longer stretches than last year.. part of the growth of this team has been those two and Luke being legitimately playable.
You're right, and it's probably just deferring with all the other guards/wings being fully healthy. He's done well in the spacer role, and still pushes the pace and attacks a bit.
 

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Some of this is extreme, but I don't think it's all wrong (though to be fair, every team is going to have sequences of poor execution every game -- and the lapses will look worse when they end in a missed shot). He's clearly over the top, but I'm sure that keeps people clicking in. The Celtics offense can turn into "potted plants around the perimeter, while a Celtics alpha (Brown, Tatum) goes into ISO mode and tries to dribble through/around a perceived mismatch." Or the Celts can get hung up on finding an open three-point shooter and overlook an opportunity for a good two-point shot.

On the ISO stuff, what concerns me is those tendencies are more pronounced when games get close, and that's what the Celts are going to see a lot in the playoffs.
 

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So the best offense per 100 possessions in NBA history has no offense?

I agree that Boston fell into some bad habits halfway through the first quarter of game two, leading to their downfall, but come on.
 

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As often is the case, a bunch of nit picks of on the fly decisions which are probably valid enough but overly blames coaching and doesn’t account for the fluidity of the nba and how hard it is to execute defense in real time.

I do like his videos for the thematic highlighting of how one team was gaining advantage. One clear thing for me is that we really struggled when Indiana extended their defense in game 1 and got stuck doing a lot of useless dribbling with no flow. We were much better prepared for it in game 2 and made them pay more for the risk of extending out and leaving less help. The ball handlers clearly got the ball up quicker and we put more pressure on the initial man to invite help and then Jaylen just caught and went a ton before help could cause him to get into trouble. It’s always scary to me when the solution is more Jaylen brown dribbling but he was a monster yesterday. Overall credit to the coaching team which seemed to get a handle on how Indiana had disrupted and got the players doing the right things
 

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Mr. Positivity.

This video is a great example of a defense paying attention to detail. When Boston defends like this, they’re unbeatable. They seem to feed offensively off stops.
One thing I like to harp on: it's easier to defend like this against a given team when you have a game or two under your belt against them. You know exactly which details to focus on, and you can get in a groove that's hard for them to throw off.

I expect Boston to look like this more and more against Indy as the series goes on, although there will be shot variance.
 

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I hate this guy. If he wanted to be my assistant/defensive coordinator I'd laugh. That said, this is probably the first of his I'm going to watch since Dec. So, good for him. He got me.
 

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Ugh. Dude’s is insufferable. I used to watch from time to time and occasionally gleaned an insight or two.

But his ego // desire for views and clicks made him embrace the worst parts of himself. Started with aiming a camera at himself. Amping up the screaming soon followed.

Attention is a helluva drug.
 

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I hate this guy. If he wanted to be my assistant/defensive coordinator I'd laugh. That said, this is probably the first of his I'm going to watch since Dec. So, good for him. He got me.
It’s hard to understand why this guy isn’t an NBA coach. Or a high school coach. Or…a 6th grade town rec coach.