PTBNLs named in Benintendi/Cordero trade

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Which basically means he is a classic quadruple-A guy (unless his start in Boston this year was just bad luck, about which I have my doubts). Which is ok except that he is not a very good fielder and realistically can only play LF or DH, so the Sox are always going to prefer having a Santana/Arroyo type on the 26-man unless Cordero is hitting so well that they basically have no choice but to have him on the ML roster.
I have my doubts too but I'm looking at the full 417 PA simple, which is bad. I think his start in Boston was a product of being bad and bad luck so it made him look like one of the worst players ever. I don't think he's that bad. I'm not sure he's any good either but there is no immediate rush to make a decision with him.
 

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Which basically means he is a classic quadruple-A guy (unless his start in Boston this year was just bad luck, about which I have my doubts). Which is ok except that he is not a very good fielder and realistically can only play LF or DH, so the Sox are always going to prefer having a Santana/Arroyo type on the 26-man unless Cordero is hitting so well that they basically have no choice but to have him on the ML roster.
As has been said before, Cordero basically didn't play in 2020 (38 ABs with the Royals) or in 2019 (he had 15 ABs with the Padres and another 59 ABs in the minors).

Maybe he's a AAAA guy but I think there is still a chance that he just needs time to develop.
 

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As has been said before, Cordero basically didn't play in 2020 (38 ABs with the Royals) or in 2019 (he had 15 ABs with the Padres and another 59 ABs in the minors).

Maybe he's a AAAA guy but I think there is still a chance that he just needs time to develop.
He's also had a .489 BABIP with the Woo. Maybe that's deserved because he's just smoking the ball, but it's more likely that there is a lot of luck involved there for him. And even if he is destroying the ball down there, we know he is not going to be putting up a BABIP like that in the majors because nobody does. I think we should let this hot streak wind down a bit before making judgements on what he's really like as a hitter.
 

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He's also had a .489 BABIP with the Woo. Maybe that's deserved because he's just smoking the ball, but it's more likely that there is a lot of luck involved there for him. And even if he is destroying the ball down there, we know he is not going to be putting up a BABIP like that in the majors because nobody does. I think we should let this hot streak wind down a bit before making judgements on what he's really like as a hitter.
22/45. With a .311 BAbip (14/45), he would be slashing .284/.392/.657 assuming all 8 hits he lost were singles, anyway.
 

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He's also had a .489 BABIP with the Woo. Maybe that's deserved because he's just smoking the ball, but it's more likely that there is a lot of luck involved there for him. And even if he is destroying the ball down there, we know he is not going to be putting up a BABIP like that in the majors because nobody does. I think we should let this hot streak wind down a bit before making judgements on what he's really like as a hitter.
I think the larger, more important point here is that his walk rate is way up and his k rate is way down. Regular playing time is helping him figure himself out. He needed to break the cycle in MLB and reset. It looks like he's doing that. Now we just need to see if he can sustain some semblance of production after 2+ years with very little playing time. I don't feel like we have a sense at all of who he is yet. Let's see where he is in a month.
 

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22/45. With a .311 BAbip (14/45), he would be slashing .284/.392/.657 assuming all 8 hits he lost were singles, anyway.
9 of his 22 hits were for extra bases, with 8 being doubles. I think we could safely assume a few of those would go away too, but at that point we're just creating a new reality. Basically baseball stats fanfic. I doubt we're far apart in our opinions of him.
 

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I think the larger, more important point here is that his walk rate is way up and his k rate is way down. Regular playing time is helping him figure himself out. He needed to break the cycle in MLB and reset. It looks like he's doing that. Now we just need to see if he can sustain some semblance of production after 2+ years with very little playing time. I don't feel like we have a sense at all of who he is yet. Let's see where he is in a month.
And let's not forget that he had almost no spring training... so he had to get up to game shape in sporadic "real" time. Now he is getting the playing time, and (hopefully) starting to show what he can do.
 

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I think the larger, more important point here is that his walk rate is way up and his k rate is way down. Regular playing time is helping him figure himself out. He needed to break the cycle in MLB and reset. It looks like he's doing that. Now we just need to see if he can sustain some semblance of production after 2+ years with very little playing time. I don't feel like we have a sense at all of who he is yet. Let's see where he is in a month.
Yeah, these numbers aren't a bad thing, they're definitely a positive sign for him. Give him some time to put together a decent body of work and lets see what the Sox might have.
 

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A. That’s not a first baseman’s mitt.
B. What the hell kind of fielding form was that?
A. [Narrator] It was a first baseman's mitt.
B. I dunno, the form of someone who is learning? If he did that and then threw to second to turn two it'd be fine. His form doing the motion of underhanding to the pitcher covering first is fine... it's a single ground ball in practice, literally the smallest possible sample size.
 

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He was signed, and played the first two years in the minors as a shortstop. It won't be that difficult for him to pick it up.

A left-hand hitting 1st baseman to take at-bats from Dalbec against righties without having to trade away prospects for a Mitch Moreland type? Count me in.
 
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Really wish Schwarber could pull off 1B; he’d be perfect for the lineup and he’s definitely getting moved.
The Nationals are in second place, three games behind a non-juggernaut Mets team. I can’t imagine they’ll sell anyone off now.
 

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Yup. I stand corrected. Obviously didn’t see the glove clearly enough on my iPhone. But…. Franchy fielded the ball to his side and swings his throwing hand to his glove side for no apparent reason, rather than as a pendulum for an underhand toss. He’s got some work to do. And yes, I can tell all that from one freakin groundball!! That’s what we do here!
 

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if Phila think Bohm is legit . . .

nm, he’sjust a more expensive, morepatient Dalbec
 

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Exactly what I thought about moving Hanley to LF….
Yeah, but he actually was decent defensively when they abandoned the LF experiment and moved him to 1B. Maybe Franchy could be too with a little bit of work. Definitely not going to make a judgment based on fielding one grounder during BP.
 

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He was signed, and played the first two years in the minors as a shortstop. It won't be that difficult for him to pick it up.

A left-hand hitting 1st baseman to take at-bats from Dalbec against righties without having to trade away prospects for a Mitch Moreland type? Count me in.
Count me in too. With his bat waking up in Worcester, might as well give it a try. With Duran likely slotted as add to the outfield, the biggest remaining need is at 1B. AAA is the perfect place for him to take reps and learn the position to see if he could swing it. If so, heck, maybe all their concerns on offense could be met internally (though I've warmed to the idea of Santana if they could get him). Then, you put whatever chips you wanna give up for a starting pitcher in the Eovaldi mode to join Sale and really give this team a shot ... Sale, PITCHER VIA TRADE, Eovaldi, Erod, Pivetta ... (Houck) .... That shit could work!
 

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Yeah, but he actually was decent defensively when they abandoned the LF experiment and moved him to 1B. Maybe Franchy could be too with a little bit of work. Definitely not going to make a judgment based on fielding one grounder during BP.
Was he? I thought, in small sample sizes (and from the eye test), that Hanley was below avg by DRS and UZR.

But in any event, we’re talking about taking a below average corner OF and converting him to 1B on the fly. Color me skeptical at best. I highly doubt Franchy will be an improvement over 3B convert Dalbec. He’s likely to be worse.
 

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On the plus side, they have now confirmed Franchy can bend over.

Dalbec is currently proving that even career infielders aren't going to be slam dunk first basemen defensively... Why try average outfielders.

On the other hand, maybe he is a natural first baseman and his hot AAA hitting can carry over. Can't hurt to try, I guess, except for wasting reps that could be used to get better in the outfield.
 

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On the plus side, they have now confirmed Franchy can bend over.

Dalbec is currently proving that even career infielders aren't going to be slam dunk first basemen defensively... Why try average outfielders.

On the other hand, maybe he is a natural first baseman and his hot AAA hitting can carry over. Can't hurt to try, I guess, except for wasting reps that could be used to get better in the outfield.
It's almost like the position the player plays doesn't matter if he can pick up 1b, but rather it's the player that matters. Crazy thought, I know.

Who cares if he played OF? He played SS until he reached the pros. The only way to know if Franchy can handle 1b is by playing him at 1b. They already know what he is as an OF and more reps isn't going to improve anything. He's 26. He's not going to get miraculously better playing the OF.
 

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Why was Franchy moved off of SS to the outfield? Was it because he couldn't field ground balls, had limited range, had poor fundamentals, or had a bad arm? That's probably relevant in figuring out how smooth the transition to 1B would be.

Maybe he was moved to the outfield because he was considered to be too big for SS and with a skillset that would be better suited to the outfield than a corner IF spot (speed, ability to cover ground, basically). In which case, he might end up being an excellent 1B. He's a pretty mediocre outfielder, so I don't see the harm in trying.
 

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The George Scott/Mitch Moreland experience taught me that a good defensive 1B can reduce a ton of infield errors and limit the amount of extra baserunners over a season. I don't know what statistics say, but it makes logical sense to me. (Of course, Boomer started out as a 3B also).
 

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Why was Franchy moved off of SS to the outfield? Was it because he couldn't field ground balls, had limited range, had poor fundamentals, or had a bad arm? That's probably relevant in figuring out how smooth the transition to 1B would be.

Maybe he was moved to the outfield because he was considered to be too big for SS and with a skillset that would be better suited to the outfield than a corner IF spot (speed, ability to cover ground, basically). In which case, he might end up being an excellent 1B. He's a pretty mediocre outfielder, so I don't see the harm in trying.
Only thing I could find in a really quick search.

While his larger build makes Cordero a candidate to slide over to third base, early reports suggest that he might be able to stick at shortstop. However, after committing 51 errors at the position last season, it’s clear that the 20-year-old’s defense will need some serious work, regardless of his future position.
Some scouts think Cordero will outgrow the position, but if he does, the power projection likely grows with it and his bat can handle a move to 3B or elsewhere on the diamond. Don't give up on Cordero after a poor season, there is likely a human element involved as it was also Cordero's stateside debut, and his first time playing in a cold weather environment. He appears to have handled the adversity well and regrouped in extended spring training, which is a positive sign for his overall development. He could be a sneaky buy-low candidate for those in deep dynasty league.
View: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2339755-san-diego-padres-top-10-prospects-for-2015
https://www.faketeams.com/2014/10/29/7078875/san-diego-padres-2015-top-fantasy-prospects

Some stuff about Renfroe too, SD's #1 prospect at the time.
 

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Why was Franchy moved off of SS to the outfield? Was it because he couldn't field ground balls, had limited range, had poor fundamentals, or had a bad arm? That's probably relevant in figuring out how smooth the transition to 1B would be.

Maybe he was moved to the outfield because he was considered to be too big for SS and with a skillset that would be better suited to the outfield than a corner IF spot (speed, ability to cover ground, basically). In which case, he might end up being an excellent 1B. He's a pretty mediocre outfielder, so I don't see the harm in trying.
Just looking at his fielding stats at SS in the minors, he was terrible. 1444 defensive innings, 743 chances, 126 errors.
 

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So is "Area 51" going to designate where Franchy is playing on the field?

Is there a Big Q-type out there somewhere to grab?
 

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This suggests the main issue was throwing which is less of an issue at first. Also, he was originally signed to be a third baseman. He was still in single A when they moved him to the OF.

One of the things that makes Cordero appealing is also one that hinders him is his size. At six-foot-three, he frequently becomes either too upright or gets into too much of a crouch, which affects his ability to find the correct arm slot to make accurate throws.
"You have to combine the footwork and body control with the slot to create consistency and that is what we are trying to achieve."
Cordero, through Rodriguez’s interpretation, agreed that his biggest problem this year has been finding the correct arm angle and making the adjustment to shortstop after originally being signed as a third baseman, but is proud that he has not let his defensive woes affect his offense.
 

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Just looking at his fielding stats at SS in the minors, he was terrible. 1444 defensive innings, 743 chances, 126 errors.
Ehh, in *his* first 1000 chances/ 240 games at SS
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made 100 errors.
 

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Franchy's scouting reports have noted his athleticism and plus speed, so he's clearly not the prototypical big slugger who can't run or field. His issue seems to be poor instincts which have hindered his ability to use those tools, be it at the plate, on the basepaths or in the field.
 

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So I think Franchy or Duran (or some other player) (Chavis?) is going to need to be called up tomorrow if Santana can’t play. (Otherwise we will have a one man bench tomorrow) not including Vazquez
 

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So I think Franchy or Duran (or some other player) (Chavis?) is going to need to be called up tomorrow if Santana can’t play. (Otherwise we will have a one man bench tomorrow) not including Vazquez
Maybe Marwin's "hammie" feels better, otherwise they better make a decision on that soon. Someone's going to have to fly cross country for a game that's starting in about 15 1/2 hours.
 

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It's been stupid how often they've been running with a short bench when everyone's healthy, and minor tweaks and soreness just exacerbate it. But to learn they're not traveling without a single position player on the taxi squad, especially on the west coast, is damn near malpractice. Could they not have kept Chavis with them through the Anaheim series, even with his being optioned for Arroyo?
 

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It's been stupid how often they've been running with a short bench when everyone's healthy, and minor tweaks and soreness just exacerbate it. But to learn they're not traveling without a single position player on the taxi squad, especially on the west coast, is damn near malpractice. Could they not have kept Chavis with them through the Anaheim series, even with his being optioned for Arroyo?
It’s not malpractice if Plawecki is available. (If he isn’t, then I agree they erred by not flying someone out yesterday after Marwin got hurt.)
 

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DLR made his much anticipated debut in the FCL and went 0.2 ip. He gave up 4 hits, 1 walk, 1 hbp and 6 er.

Not the greatest, but first game after a long lay off.
 

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And... Cordero DFA'd.

View: https://twitter.com/alexspeier/status/1451251317943513093


I agree with Speier that this is a bit puzzling, given that he has an option remaining for next season and hit well in AAA, and all we had to do was find a way to keep him on the 40-man. To keep Phillips Valdez over him? But I guess the FO has a better read on how many 40-man roster spots we'll need to protect guys from Rule 5, so I guess I'm not that puzzled.

Well, best of luck to Franchy, who I would guess will end up on the *spins wheel* Chicago Cubs.
 

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He had his chances and did nothing with them. Not much in the way of OF depth in the system but I imagine they think there are better ways of downing $1M and a roster spot. And hey, they could bring him back.
 

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He had his chances and did nothing with them. Not much in the way of OF depth in the system but I imagine they think there are better ways of downing $1M and a roster spot. And hey, they could bring him back.
The odd timing of the DFA makes me wonder if they could bring him back on a mL deal, but he could probably do better. I wish he’d have gotten his Sox PAs outside of the spider tack era and still think he’s a breakout candidate, but it’s hard to count on him for 2022, especially if we’re gonna try to keep Schwarber.
 

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The timing of this is a bit weird. Unless there's some sort of deadline for activating Valdez I'm not aware of, it's strange that they decided to do this now. There are free agents to be who are going to be off the roster soon enough to fit Valdez back on without losing Cordero. Makes me think they aren't interested in keeping him.
 

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Valdez is WS eligible now (obviously only if they get there), I’m guessing that is the reason for the timing