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#SFGiants and Red Sox are among teams considering Austin Jackson. SF would be interesting since they just traded him.

This year's Rajai Davis? He's been absolutely awful this year putting up a 67 OPS+ in 165 ABs for SF. He was traded to Texas but did not play a game and was DFA'd.
 

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#SFGiants and Red Sox are among teams considering Austin Jackson. SF would be interesting since they just traded him.

This year's Rajai Davis? He's been absolutely awful this year putting up a 67 OPS+ in 165 ABs for SF. He was traded to Texas but did not play a game and was DFA'd.
Reasonable depth signing on a minor league deal, especially if they think they can "fix" him back into what he was last year. Not seeing much of a fit on the big league roster unless an outfielder gets hurt, though.
 

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#SFGiants and Red Sox are among teams considering Austin Jackson. SF would be interesting since they just traded him.

This year's Rajai Davis? He's been absolutely awful this year putting up a 67 OPS+ in 165 ABs for SF. He was traded to Texas but did not play a game and was DFA'd.
Likable player. Can’t see who he supplants on the 25 but he’d be a useful 4th outfielder to keep our guys fresh in August blowouts. Excellent vs LHP last year.
 

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I can't imagine Jackson would be on the 25 at this point but he could be brought up in September as an extra body. The sox have no outfield depth other than the guys currently on the roster.
 

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Cora seems to be a huge supporter. Anything is possible but I don’t see JBJ getting traded given how Cora speaks about him and his D.
He's also been hitting for 20 games now (.314/.364/.514, 8 doubles, 3 HRs in 77 PA including today) and went from a .178/.275/.288 line to .211/.296/.353 in the process.
 

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He's also been hitting for 20 games now (.314/.364/.514, 8 doubles, 3 HRs in 77 PA including today) and went from a .178/.275/.288 line to .211/.296/.353 in the process.
Sell high?? Jk, mostly. His defense is not something they can replace.
 

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So what's the price for Britton?
Well, the O’s are doing a complete tear down and rebuild and won’t be competing for a few years, so they should probably be looking to get the best prospects they can regardless of position.

Of course it remains to be seen what the rental RP market will bear, especially now that there's a flood of high-leverage guys apparently available (Kela on the Rangers, Greene on the Tigers, Barraclough on the Marlins, Yates on the Padres, Soria on the White Sox, maybe even Vazquez on the Pirates, etc.).

As has been noted upthread it was only two seasons ago that the Cubs dealt away their #1 prospect, future star 2B Gleyber Torres, for 3 months of Chapman. At the same time it was only a few days ago that the Mets shipped off Familia for a completely underwhelming return of the A's #17 prospect, an unranked "Who?" guy, and bonus money.

So... essentially... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

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Well, the O’s are doing a complete tear down and rebuild and won’t be competing for a few years, so they should probably be looking to get the best prospects they can regardless of position.

Of course it remains to be seen what the rental RP market will bear, especially now that there's a flood of high-leverage guys apparently available (Kela on the Rangers, Greene on the Tigers, Barraclough on the Marlins, Yates on the Padres, Soria on the White Sox, maybe even Vazquez on the Pirates, etc.).

As has been noted upthread it was only two seasons ago that the Cubs dealt away their #1 prospect, future star 2B Gleyber Torres, for 3 months of Chapman. At the same time it was only a few days ago that the Mets shipped off Familia for a completely underwhelming return of the A's #17 prospect, an unranked "Who?" guy, and bonus money.

So... essentially... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Again... Lets not use the Mets as any baseline for what a trade will get.... Mets care more about $$$ than prospects... Mets ownership is a tire fire
 

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Way too many teams in on Britton for us to have a chance. Cubs, Brewers, Yanks, Astros, Giants and Braves all have more to give than we do.

If DD wants to add a splitter, then Kirby Yates is a legitimate target. He added a splitter this year that’s been extremely effective. Somewhat SSS, but as it happens, Yankee hitters rank dead last in production against splitters among all MLB teams in 2018 (per Fangraphs).
 

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Way too many teams in on Britton for us to have a chance. Cubs, Brewers, Yanks, Astros, Giants and Braves all have more to give than we do.
Yes and no. We certainly have a chance - since Britton is a rental. the cost is not going to be so high that we just don't have the talent available to make it work (unlike someone like Hand, who had years of control at a reasonable cost). The question is whether we're willing to offer more than the other interested teams, and the more teams that are interested, the higher the price is likely to be (although the upper limit should be constrained by the risks attached to Britton, and the fact that he's a rental, both of which limit his value). While the fact that our farm is relatively weak (in part due to injuries among the top prospects) makes this seem harder because our few minor league assets seem more precious due to scarcity, it certainly doesn't mean we have no chance.

But if, as reported, Houston really wants him, then they will probably get him if they are willing to pay a premium to top the other bidders, which (a) they can afford to do; and (b) they may be justified in doing because they have a greater need.
 

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Schoop is supposedly available. Considering Pedroia's status might be a buy low opoortunity.
 

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Way too many teams in on Britton for us to have a chance. Cubs, Brewers, Yanks, Astros, Giants and Braves all have more to give than we do.
while others may have more to offer, it depends on what they *want* to offer / what duquette asks for.
 

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while others may have more to offer, it depends on what they *want* to offer / what duquette asks for.
I'd go as far as to say deadline trades nowadays are getting to be more about cash pickups and the selective/deeper internal scouting appeal factor then it really is about one team simply "out surface valuing" another. Which in turn makes it incredibly hard to predict where anybody truly stands on rental possibilities.

I mean as bosox79 kind of hit on earlier, I'm not sure how much overall farm "depth" actually matters once you get past blue chip types and in the event a team's scouting might happen to zero in on a guy like Dalbec as being their favorite lottery ticket flyer on the table.
 

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There is literally no acquisition I like less than a reliever with a big name. Especially a reliever whose ability may not quite be as big as his name any more.

Good organizations find their relievers without paying for a big name.
 

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There is literally no acquisition I like less than a reliever with a big name. Especially a reliever whose ability may not quite be as big as his name any more.

Good organizations find their relievers without paying for a big name.
I thought I would agree with this — after all, I still cannot get over Heathcliff Slocumb for Derek Lowe and some guy named Varitek — but I’m not sure I do upon reflection.

In 2016 the Cubs and Indians both made the World Series in part behind two high-profile, big name relievers acquired at the trade deadline in Arodlis Chapman and Andrew Miller.

Now, it’s fair to ask whether Britton represents that kind of fortune changing opportunity. But that’s a slightly different question.
 

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Schoop is supposedly available. Considering Pedroia's status might be a buy low opoortunity.
Agree, although the Orioles might not. It'd be interesting to see if he could bounce back in Boston. All his HRs are to left. Some possible benefit to him teaming up with Bogaerts, whom he surely knows pretty well from their time on the Dutch national team. I can't think of any 1b-men to complete the all-Dutch DP squad, unfortunately.

Realistically though, I don't know what the Sox could offer and the O's would probably ask for far too much.
 

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Lots of twitter chatter that Britton being moved is close. With an almost certain rainout tonight, wonder if DD and Duquette have more one on one time to discuss today.
 

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I thought I would agree with this — after all, I still cannot get over Heathcliff Slocumb for Derek Lowe and some guy named Varitek — but I’m not sure I do upon reflection.

In 2016 the Cubs and Indians both made the World Series in part behind two high-profile, big name relievers acquired at the trade deadline in Arodlis Chapman and Andrew Miller.

Now, it’s fair to ask whether Britton represents that kind of fortune changing opportunity. But that’s a slightly different question.
Kimbrel was a huge big name relief acquisition and he's been great for the Sox. Unless we are talking about trade deadline moves then obviously Kimbrel doesn't apply.
 

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Lots of twitter chatter that Britton being moved is close. With an almost certain rainout tonight, wonder if DD and Duquette have more one on one time to discuss today.
Yeah the O's are in discussions with the Yankees Astros and Brewers all of which have at least 5 prospects better than the Sox top one who just got busted for PEDs and Groome who is out with TJ. They might be able to get Brach or Givens from the O's though. But this is why this last draft and the upcoming draft in 2019 is so important to this team. They need to get back to having a viable minor league system. Obvious a dip from 2 or 3 down to 17 would be understandable since a lot of guys graduated but dropping to the 27-30 area is inexcusable. So I think the options are clearly limited. Guys like Kela or Iglesias would require Devers and thats not happening. Britton probably goes for more than Familia for the simple fact he's a lefty, has better stuff and a better resume.

Guys like Soria, Rodney, O'Day or Holland (awful this season won't cost much) or even Norris probably won't cost a lot. You could also go in on a guy like Fiers and just move Pomeranz to the pen as well. Maybe thats the best option.
 

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While his value will be set by the market, I think people are overrating Britton's current skill level.
 

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While his value will be set by the market, I think people are overrating Britton's current skill level.
Agreed - given his current status, and that he's only a rental, I seriously doubt that anyone is giving up a top prospect for Britton. So there's really no reason that we can't make a competitive, or at least realistic, offer.
 

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Agreed - given his current status, and that he's only a rental, I seriously doubt that anyone is giving up a top prospect for Britton. So there's really no reason that we can't make a competitive, or at least realistic, offer.
I don''t know. Are the Cubs looking at him?
 

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While his value will be set by the market, I think people are overrating Britton's current skill level.
Yeah, last two teams regretted acquiring at great cost (albeit as free agents rather than trades) the Orioles "top closers" of their time in Jim Johnson and BJ Ryan, so indeed, "buyer beware"....
 

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Yeah the O's are in discussions with the Yankees Astros and Brewers all of which have at least 5 prospects better than the Sox top one who just got busted for PEDs and Groome who is out with TJ. They might be able to get Brach or Givens from the O's though...So I think the options are clearly limited. Guys like Kela or Iglesias would require Devers and thats not happening. Britton probably goes for more than Familia for the simple fact he's a lefty, has better stuff and a better resume.

Guys like Soria, Rodney, O'Day or Holland (awful this season won't cost much) or even Norris probably won't cost a lot. You could also go in on a guy like Fiers and just move Pomeranz to the pen as well. Maybe thats the best option.
Brach yes, Brach could likely be had for nothing.

Pom's start tonight (and Sunday against the Twins) is an important one. I don't have a ton of optimism, but it'll determine how hard we have to go in for a SP.

I still think it's dumb for DD to go over the tax unless he's setting up for next year as well, and Britton (or Moustakas) doesn't accomplish that. The fact that high level scouts are watching Twins games makes a ton of sense. Any combination of Gibson/Lynn/Odorizzi + Duke/Pressly/Rodney/Rogers + Escobar/Dozier fits exactly what we need.
 

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I'm skeptical that Boston would trade within the division, or for that matter if the Orioles would. The Red Sox would not want to see one of their prospects succeed with the O's 4 years from now after renting Britton for a couple of months, particularly since the bullpen is currently holding up (versus 3B, 2B and injured starters).

The Blue Jays seem to not care: trading Pearce to Boston and probably trading Happ to the Yankees.

A quick scan of recent trades (3-4 years) in the division shows:

The O's traded a ptbnl to the Yankees for Richard Bleier, De Aza to the Sox
The last trades the Rays made within the division were Pearce and Tim Beckham (both to the Orioles)
Jays: Ryan McBroom to the Yankees for Refsnyder and Pearce
Yankees: Already mentioned
Red Sox: Joe Gunkel to the O's for De Aza (then traded to the Giants), Pearce

Small sample size, but go ahead and scan random transaction years to see how few intra-division AL East trades have been made. I'm a little skeptical that they'll start now.
 

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I'm skeptical that Boston would trade within the division, or for that matter if the Orioles would. The Red Sox would not want to see one of their prospects succeed with the O's 4 years from now after renting Britton for a couple of months, particularly since the bullpen is currently holding up (versus 3B, 2B and injured starters).

The Blue Jays seem to not care: trading Pearce to Boston and probably trading Happ to the Yankees.

A quick scan of recent trades (3-4 years) in the division shows:

The O's traded a ptbnl to the Yankees for Richard Bleier, De Aza to the Sox
The last trades the Rays made within the division were Pearce and Tim Beckham (both to the Orioles)
Jays: Ryan McBroom to the Yankees for Refsnyder and Pearce
Yankees: Already mentioned
Red Sox: Joe Gunkel to the O's for De Aza (then traded to the Giants), Pearce

Small sample size, but go ahead and scan random transaction years to see how few intra-division AL East trades have been made. I'm a little skeptical that they'll start now.
Miller for EdRo was a pretty substantial one.
 

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Brach yes, Brach could likely be had for nothing.

Pom's start tonight (and Sunday against the Twins) is an important one. I don't have a ton of optimism, but it'll determine how hard we have to go in for a SP.

I still think it's dumb for DD to go over the tax unless he's setting up for next year as well, and Britton (or Moustakas) doesn't accomplish that. The fact that high level scouts are watching Twins games makes a ton of sense. Any combination of Gibson/Lynn/Odorizzi + Duke/Pressly/Rodney/Rogers + Escobar/Dozier fits exactly what we need.
I agree to an extent. However, he might have to go over the tax in order to win this year. Think about what he's done. He's made multiple win now trades that combined with the prospects graduating that have depleted the farm. Something needs to give and end of the day Henry and company need to see results. The team has a few more holes than most 70 win teams would at this time of year. The good news is that there isn't 1 real dominant team in the league. Boston needs an 8th inning arm and now a 3B. Moose is only making 6 million this year I believe. This would allow the Sox to send Devers back to the minors if they so choose. But his recent slump is making someone like Moose a possibility. Donaldson is banged up now but I doubt the Sox pursue because of the financials involved. Beltre is another option. Its far more likely they find an answer to 3B at a good price than an actual impact pen arm. If we can find an impact pen arm it might have to come from the rotation like Pom.
 

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They're not sending Devers back to the minors. That's a fantasy that will never be a reality. He might go back to the DL because maybe that shoulder strain isn't quite healed (nothing I've seen suggests that's the case, though) but they're not going to demote him to Pawtucket. He's experiencing growing pains that most second year players go through, even those way more experienced than he is at 21 years old.

The book is out on him and he needs to make adjustments to account for it. He can't make those adjustments against inferior AAA pitching. He has to stay put and work through them against big league pitching.
 

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Small sample size, but go ahead and scan random transaction years to see how few intra-division AL East trades have been made. I'm a little skeptical that they'll start now.
The O's and Jays likely have no chance the next year or two as opposed to over the past few seasons when the division was more competitive. So I don't think the lack of recent trades means that much. If they are pure rentals it shouldn't matter this season unless the caliber of prospect given up is going to haunt them for a decade. Of course if you're Peter Angelos and have a vendetta against the Yankees then all logic goes out the window.
 

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Jon Morosi‏Verified account @jonmorosi 44s44 seconds ago
In preliminary #RedSox-#Marlins trade talks, source says Miami indicated that Michael Chavis or Jay Groome alone would not be sufficient to acquire setup man Drew Steckenrider. That is one snapshot of the market value for controllable relievers. @MLB @MLBNetwork
That's not really a "snapshot of market value for controllable relievers," any more than the Marlins asking for Betts and Benintendi is a snapshot of market value or me asking for 10 quintillion dollars for pictures of my ingrown toenails is a snapshot of the "market value of ingrown toenail pictures."
 

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Wait, are we supposed to be surprised that neither of our top two prospects (pre-season ranking), one of whom is coming off a drug suspension and the other of whom is out for the year+ with injury, is enough to get a quality player in trade? Marlins or not, why is the rejection of Chavis and Groome individually any kind of measuring stick right now?
 

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Wait, are we supposed to be surprised that neither of our top two prospects (pre-season ranking), one of whom is coming off a drug suspension and the other of whom is out for the year+ with injury, is enough to get a quality player in trade? Marlins or not, why is the rejection of Chavis and Groome individually any kind of measuring stick right now?
Because they're "our" prospects. Lather, rinse, repeat
 

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He's cost controlled and good. I'd be surprised if either guy is a top 100 guy next season. It's absolutely reasonable to ask for either one of those guys and more.
I don't know if it's reasonable to ask for either guy since one is hurt and the other still has a drug cloud hanging over his him, but it is certainly reasonable for the Marlins to say that one of them isn't enough for Steckenrider.
 

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Of course the market price for quality, controllable assets is significantly greater than for rentals. Which is why I don't think DD will likely be fishing in that end of the pond - we just don't have the right bait.

And FWIW, I don't see any particular obstacles to a trade between the O's and Sox. Our DD and their DD are good friends, and have great professional respect for one another, which certainly helps. And I don't think Angelos carries the same animosity towards Boston that he has towards the Yankees. The Miller/EdRo trade is certainly evidence that significant transactions can occur between these teams.
 

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He's cost controlled and good. I'd be surprised if either guy is a top 100 guy next season. It's absolutely reasonable to ask for either one of those guys and more.
Meh. He's OK. Over 10 K/9 are nice, but offset by over 4 BB/9, and his xFIP of 3.86 this year suggests he's been a bit lucky with the lack of HR.
 

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Jon Morosi‏Verified account @jonmorosi 44s44 seconds ago
In preliminary #RedSox-#Marlins trade talks, source says Miami indicated that Michael Chavis or Jay Groome alone would not be sufficient to acquire setup man Drew Steckenrider. That is one snapshot of the market value for controllable relievers. @MLB @MLBNetwork
You mean to tell me teams aren’t interested in acquiring a player suspended for PEDs and a pitcher that just had Tommy John surgery? Sounds like a bad fantasy trade proposal.
 

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Of course the market price for quality, controllable assets is significantly greater than for rentals. Which is why I don't think DD will likely be fishing in that end of the pond - we just don't have the right bait.
On the flip side to that though, the fast approaching need to either resign or replace Kimbrel/Kelly is probably weighing heavier on DD right now then the lack of overall speculation on this board in regards to such would suggest. As there is a good chance in play that even in the event we were to score a big rental fish like Britton right now, the end play result still leaves him looking at a potential reality where we then have to make the same base trade all over again this off-season.

Can't hurt turning over every possible rock in hopes of finding a kill two birds with one stone answer.
 

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Conversely, I'd be rather annoyed if we traded low on Groome's potential to acquire an ok, controllable reliever. That could (and might even be expected to) look awful 3 years from now.

Use an overachiever in our system to trade for a cheap rental. That should be the basic goal.
 

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Unless they were originally offering Jon Singleton and Jacoby Ellsbury, I don’t see how the Astros and Yankees have “sweetened their offers” and yet the Sox are still involved.
Deadline deals are so scouting based. The Royals took some lower level pieces for Herrera. No one is giving up a top end guy for two months of Britton, so it probably comes down to which pieces their scouts prefer.