I'd guess that Harvin bonked Russell Wilson's wife, but RW dumped her in the off-season after Golden Tate bonked her (no, not kidding).
Maybe Harvin hit on Mrs. Carroll.
Maybe Harvin hit on Mrs. Carroll.
coremiller said:The Jets have a ton of cap room this year and are going nowhere. They're not on the hook for his signing bonus and his base salaries aren't guaranteed after this year. For a mid-round pick, why not take a chance? At least they'll be more fun to watch. If it works out, they can renegotiate his contract to lower the cap hit. If it doesn't they can cut him and move on.
My point was just that Seattle would have to have done a huge 180 on how they value the position in a pretty short amount of time, and that seems unlikely.
Ed Hillel said:
Given his base salary, injury concerns, and apparent crazy, I fail to see how it's a coup. There's a decent chance he gets cut in the offseason if he gets hurt or he really is that crazy.
I know the Jets have a lot of money, but if he does play for the Jets next year, they are essentially spending 17 million bucks for his contributions in 2015 (his 2015 base salary, plus money paid this year that can't be rolled over). Plus they give up a pick.
soxhop411 said:RT @mikefreemanNFL: Seahawks team source: "Percy didn't want to be here. We accommodated him."
Just because you have money to spend doesn't mean you should spend it inefficently. If 17 million can be spent better than on Percy Harvin, then why does it make sense?Chemistry Schmemistry said:Cap ramifications:
This year: Saves the Seahawks about $6.5 million in salary, opposite for the Jets. The Jets have an extraordinary amount of 2014 cap space, so they can absorb this easily. So there's the cash question.
soxhop411 said:RT @mikefreemanNFL: Seahawks team source: "Percy didn't want to be here. We accommodated him."
Keep in mind they're costing themselves 6.5 million against the cap next year regardless. Maybe they get him to agree to a better deal, but I'm skeptical he wouldn't go to free agency unless the Jets pay him more than he's making now anyway.Deathofthebambino said:
Unless they go on a 10 game winning streak, thanks solely to Percy Harvin, there is no chance he plays for the Jets next year under the terms of this contract. They are giving up a mid round pick to see what they have in him and Geno Smith, this year. For a 1-6 team going nowhere, that's really, really valuable information that just fell in their lap. If Harvin turns out to be great, they'll be in a prime position to resign him over and above everyone else. If he sucks or shoots his way out of town, so be it, it barely cost them anything.
@SI_PeterKing Harvin was more difficult to deal with last year than anybody knows. He has real trust issues with people. No getting it back once lost.
@BenVolin Covered Percy in college. Transcendent talent. Was also a giant pain in the butt for coaches. Sounds like Seattle tired of his act, too
@BenVolin Got into a physical altercation with the WR coach, for one RT @APHOOPS12: @BenVolin any good Florida stories about Harvin being a pain?
@BenVolin Percy was also kicked out of Virginia HS sports his senior year for too many fights. Was a ridiculous point guard
@nflnetwork Seattle @Seahawks had been open to Percy Harvin trade for "several weeks" (via @RapSheet): at.nfl.com/xYqZTAh pic.twitter.com/NzYfVJPvRt
Remagellan said:I agree, this makes no sense for either team.
Honestly, if he was available, the Pats should have been in on him.
I think it's far more about the GM trying to save his job in the right now than the development of Geno Smith.Deathofthebambino said:I don't think 6.5 million is a big deal to the Jets right now. The team is not exactly knocking on the door of a championship. I think folks are really underselling how important is it to the Jets to find their next QB, and I really believe bringing in a skill position guy like Harvin will give them a chance to find out if Geno is that guy or not. Every good young QB in the NFL, save maybe Russell Wilson, has had guys around him that helped transition him into a good, young quarterback. I really think this move is about Geno as much as it is about winning now or next year. They need to find out if Geno is the guy, or they need to go out and look for their 445th QB in the past decade in the offseason. Without some skill position guys for Geno to play with on that side of the ball, I don't think they can definitively answer that all important question.
Deathofthebambino said:I don't think 6.5 million is a big deal to the Jets right now. The team is not exactly knocking on the door of a championship. I think folks are really underselling how important is it to the Jets to find their next QB, and I really believe bringing in a skill position guy like Harvin will give them a chance to find out if Geno is that guy or not. Every good young QB in the NFL, save maybe Russell Wilson, has had guys around him that helped transition him into a good, young quarterback.
To be fair, Smith is a much better QB than Ponder.According to two sources, the straw that broke the Vikings' back with Harvin is when he bemoaned the fact that quarterback Christian Ponder, a 2011 first-round pick, was not good enough. That came even though Ponder consistently fed Harvin the ball.
soxhop411 said:Lance Zierlein @LanceZierlein 16m16 minutes ago
I was told “Harvin’s anger issues are just too much to deal with and he could single handedly bring down team chemistry”. Wow. Unreal.
ha, nice pull, was the first thing on a google for Percy Harvin an hour ago, I laughedypioca said:
By the way, this is a cool article from not three hours ago:
Seahawks want to expand Percy Harvin’s role
@RossTuckerNFL Fair to remind that Percy Harvin had so many incidents he was banned from ALL sports during Sr Yr of HS? Never heard of that before.
A coup for the Jets? Going to disagree with that. Lets just say when I think of situations for a troubled player who has worn out his welcome in two spots to find his footing, I dont think playing in New York for a 1-6 team with a struggling 2nd year quarterback where all the adult supervision is going to get fired in ten weeks as the ideal spot. The next group of adults is going to be shitcanning Geno pretty quickly.Deathofthebambino said:There is no chance that this is a football related move for the Seahawks. I think it's pretty clear that something went very wrong with Harvin in Seattle. Whether he was pissed about his usage and lost it on the coaching staff, or some not yet known off the field issue, there is no reason whatsoever for Seattle to make this move from a purely football stand point. They traded away a 1st, 3rd and 7th round draft pick for him last year. They just signed him to a huge extension with a big signing bonus, and most importantly, they need him on the field. They also got rid of Golden Tate in the offseason. Jermaine Kearse, Baldwin, etc. This hurts their offense. A lot.
For the Jets, it's impossible to tell if it's good or bad until we know what pick they give up, but I don't know how it can be viewed as a bad move from their perspective. What's his name is on ESPN reporting right now that it's probably a fourth round pick. That's a coup for the Jets, even if he ends up suspended for a few weeks, IMO. They are 1-6, and I think this gives them a skill position guy to work with Geno, who will give the Jets the chance to find out if Geno is really their guy. Making him throw to the Deckers and Kerleys of the world, with Ivory and the corpse of Chris Johnson does not give them the information to make an educated decision on Geno's future. Harvin can do that. It also takes a whole bunch of the news cycle off Rex for the near term. I love the move for the Jets.
Not really similar since Harvin is still actually good when he's healthy and playing.SeoulSoxFan said:What does not make sense: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/percy-harvin/
Percy has 7m dead money if released this year (obviously not going to happen) and a whopping $10.5m, $9.9m, $9.95m, and 11.15m cap hits until 2018.
I see another edition to the Vick, CJ2K, breakdown on Football Central in near future.
Mission accomplishedypioca said:By the way, this is a cool article from not three hours ago:
Seahawks want to expand Percy Harvin’s role
Stitch01 said:Not really similar since Harvin is still actually good when he's healthy and playing.
Well I certainly dont think it was sending a message to the rest of the 2010 Patriots that they better shape out or get shipped off to a shit team. I dont think it had much to do with salary cap since he was in the final year and the rollover rules are different in 2010 than now. He certainly wasn't in his physical prime like Harvin is. After leaving the Pats Moss caught 19 passes the rest of the year, sat out a year, then caught 28 passes. So yeah, Im going to say he was reaching the end of the line and the trade was nothing like this one.Rudy Pemberton said:You think the trade of Moss to the Vikings was strictly a football move? Agree to disagree, I guess.
Right, but its nothing like Chris Johnson, who is clearly terrible and was an obvious terrible signing, or Vick, who is a fine backup for the Jets if he actually wants to play quarterback and we ignore the idiot fans who think its 2001.SeoulSoxFan said:
And that's a big if. Has played 15, 16, 14, 9, then 1 game last year. Bouncing back with 5 games so far (with a huge drop in yards/rec. with just 6.0 per catch from career average of 11.4).
I think Seattle is getting out when they can.
If they knew Harvin had chemistry issues last year, why didn't they try to move him in the off-season, or at least stockpile more depth at WR?