Percy Harvin traded to the Jets

[mpx42]

https://twitter.com/JayGlazer/status/523224426419326977
 
Jets get Harvin from the Seahawks for a conditional pick.
 
Doesn't seem to help Seattle much this season.

 

[Ed Hillel]

Wait, what?

 

[jsinger121]

What are both teams doing with this trade? Seattle just traded for Harvin last year. Don't get this for the Jets either. Why trade for him when you stink?

 

[Stitch01]

What in the actual fuck is this 

 

[Silverdude2167]

This has to be a hack or something right? This trade would make no sense especially for SEA.

 

[Greg29fan]

not a hack
 
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/523225778117681153

 

[Remagellan]

I agree, this makes no sense for either team. 
 
Honestly, if he was available, the Pats should have been in on him.  

 

[Silverdude2167]

I don't follow SEA that closely, but who does this leave a WR? I thought they were pretty thin there after Harvin.
 
Could Pete be losing the locker room, now that it is a bit older and has won something?

 

[mpx42]

Gotta be about behind the scenes stuff. His coaches in Minnesota got tired of him. This will really help their cap space next year, but kinda leaves a gaping hole as far as the offense goes.

 

[Morning Woodhead]

He must have been a locker room issue. Only thing that makes sense at this point.

 

[gammoseditor]

Sounds like a money thing. Big cap hit the next few years and Seattle is going to need the space. I'm far from a cap expert. Does moving him now save a lot more money than moving him after the season? Maybe they were afraid they wouldn't find a taker in the offseason.

 

[Stitch01]

Savvy move for the Jets.  Anytime you have an injury prone skill player one play away from thinking its potato o'clock, you should make sure to give up a future asset to waste as much of that productivity as possible during a completely lost season.
 
Ballsy move by Seattle, never saw this coming.

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

Wow for both teams.

 

[Phragle]

I thought this smelled like [Glazer's] account got hacked but everyone is running with it. Must be real.

 

[Morning Woodhead]

I feel like he's destined to turn into santonio Holmes now

 

[Ed Hillel]

I agree, this makes no sense for either team. 
 
Honestly, if he was available, the Pats should have been in on him.  

 
If he could have even fit under the cap now, it would have been just barely. His base salaries coming up are really high. It's 11 million this year, though it would be closer to 70% of that for the Jets.
 

Ballsy move by Seattle, never saw this coming.

 
We'll have to see the pick, but it seems like a bad move. I imagine he'd still have been quite tradeable had he remained healthy (a fair if), especially for whichever teams needed to spend the money.

 

[Greg29fan]

This will really help their cap space next year

 
which they desperately needed

 

[soxhop411]

Jason Cole ‏@JasonPhilCole 2m2 minutes ago
There's something seriously wrong with Harvin. There has to be.
 
I agree

 

[CaptainLaddie]

Oh, what in the living fuck.

 

[Stitch01]

 
If he could have even fit under the cap now, it would have been just barely. His base salaries coming up are really high. It's 11 million this year, though it would be closer to 70% of that for the Jets.
 
 
 
 
We'll have to see the pick, but it seems like a bad move. I imagine he'd still have been quite tradeable had he remained healthy (a fair if), especially for whichever teams needed to spend the money.

Its almost certainly not going to make sense from an on the field perspective.  They can save and roll the base salary, but its a contending team next year, there have to be other ways to generate cap space for next year after the season if there isnt an off the field story.

 

[Stitch01]

Seems similar to the Moss trade. Granted, Harvin is quite a bit younger...but I suspect trading him to the Jets is making an example out of him, and sends everyone else on the team some kind of message. Get with the program or you may end up playing out the string on a shit team.

Soooo....not at all like the Moss trade then.

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

I don't know what Seattle is getting from the Jets but they gave up a 1st and 3rd to Minny and used over $20M in cap space over the last two years in exchange for 242 yards from scrimmage from Harvin.  In an otherwise unbelievable run of success, that's just an incredibly bad deal.

 

[Stitch01]

With the caveat that he had a huge game at the biggest time.
 
Definitely a big miss with that trade.

 

[Gash Prex]

Seattle would not have traded him to the Pats because that could haunt them later this season - the jets...not so much.  

 

[Ed Hillel]

With the caveat that he had a huge game at the biggest time.
 
Definitely a big miss with that trade.

 
True, but it's hard to imagine they would have lost that game regardless.

 

[coremiller]

I don't know what Seattle is getting from the Jets but they gave up a 1st and 3rd to Minny and used over $20M in cap space over the last two years in exchange for 242 yards from scrimmage from Harvin.  In an otherwise unbelievable run of success, that's just an incredibly bad deal.

 
It tells you how good (lucky?) the rest of their player development has been that they could win despite that.
 
This has to be an attitude/locker room issue.  They get some cap relief, but they can't do much with it this year and and surely they could move him for a mid-round pick in the off-season if they need to clear space.  

 

[E5 Yaz]

Jets pick likely to have far more value than a Pats pick, for those thinking along those lines

 

[bankshot1]

Rex got him to run back 109 yard KO returns
 
Harvin must have pissed off Carroll.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Harvin has no guaranteed money after this season.

 

[Remagellan]

With the caveat that he had a huge game at the biggest time.
 
Definitely a big miss with that trade.

 
 
I think if you win and a guy was a big part of that championship, it's not a miss.  
 
I'm sure the Browns would take a deal like that if it ended with a championship.  

 

[Chemistry Schmemistry]

I can't understand this, either. If it's a physical issue related to the headaches, it wouldn't be a trade situation. And everyone in the NFL knows that wide receiver is a different animal mentally - the traits that help make you an elite receiver often make you an insufferable "me-first" asshole. You put up with it as long as he's producing.

Maybe the Seahawks feel about Harvin's contributions the same way the Patriots feel about running backs. This slot thing is more game plan than talent, and it's best to trade while perceived value is highest. But if they get less than a 1 in return (and it will obviously be a high 1 at this point, so maybe they'd have to give a 2 back and get an extra 3 or 4), then maybe it goes beyond personality and he's not putting in the work.

 

[Stitch01]

 
 
I think if you win and a guy was a big part of that championship, it's not a miss.  
 
I'm sure the Browns would take a deal like that if it ended with a championship.  

Not for the price they paid for him.

 

[E5 Yaz]

 
 
I think if you win and a guy was a big part of that championship, it's not a miss. 

 
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Seattle won Super Bowl with Percy Harvin missing most all of last season. Feel like they can do it again.

 

[Stitch01]

I read its a conditional mid-round pick, so wouldnt be expecting a one.

 

[coremiller]

I can't understand this, either. If it's a physical issue related to the headaches, it wouldn't be a trade situation. And everyone in the NFL knows that wide receiver is a different animal mentally - the traits that help make you an elite receiver often make you an insufferable "me-first" asshole. You put up with it as long as he's producing.

Maybe the Seahawks feel about Harvin's contributions the same way the Patriots feel about running backs. This slot thing is more game plan than talent, and it's best to trade while perceived value is highest. But if they get less than a 1 in return (and it will obviously be a high 1 at this point, so maybe they'd have to give a 2 back and get an extra 3 or 4), then maybe it goes beyond personality and he's not putting in the work.

 
I don't think Seattle has that philosophy about slot receivers in general -- remember, these are the same guys that traded a 1st and 3rd for Harvin and then gave him 26m guaranteed only 18 months ago.  Why would they do that if they thought slot guys were fungible?

 

[Stitch01]

Harvin has no guaranteed money after this season.

The cap savings vs an offseason cut is just the base salary from this year that they can now roll.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Seattle will receive a conditional draft pick in 2015, which will range from a second- to fourth-round pick, a source told ESPN's John Clayton.
 
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/11718459/seattle-seahawks-trade-percy-harvin-new-york-jets

 

[Stitch01]

Jets 2nd would at least be a high pick

 

[Freddy Linn]

We'll see Kerley in Seattle next year.

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

 
It tells you how good (lucky?) the rest of their player development has been that they could win despite that.
 
This has to be an attitude/locker room issue.  They get some cap relief, but they can't do much with it this year and and surely they could move him for a mid-round pick in the off-season if they need to clear space.  

 
I agree with all these points.
 
I imagine that Pete Carroll is willing to look past a lot of misbehavior (for better or for worse) in the interest of winning, so Harvin must have really crossed some lines in the locker room.
 
On the bright side, Harvin has now worn out his welcome in two different cities and is going to the biggest clown show in the NFL, so that should end well..

 

[Ed Hillel]

The cap savings vs an offseason cut is just the base salary from this year that they can now roll.

 
Right, so the Jets are taking a cap hit next season essentially for contributions in a dead year. Harvin's really good, but given all the question marks, you can probably find better ways to spend 10+ million a year or 17+ million towards next year's cap.

 

[ypioca]

By the way, this is a cool article from not three hours ago:
 

Seahawks want to expand Percy Harvin’s role

 

[Deathofthebambino]

There is no chance that this is a football related move for the Seahawks.  I think it's pretty clear that something went very wrong with Harvin in Seattle.  Whether he was pissed about his usage and lost it on the coaching staff, or some not yet known off the field issue, there is no reason whatsoever for Seattle to make this move from a purely football stand point.  They traded away a 1st, 3rd and 7th round draft pick for him last year.  They just signed him to a huge extension with a big signing bonus, and most importantly, they need him on the field.  They also got rid of Golden Tate in the offseason.  Jermaine Kearse, Baldwin, etc.  This hurts their offense.  A lot.
 
For the Jets, it's impossible to tell if it's good or bad until we know what pick they give up, but I don't know how it can be viewed as a bad move from their perspective.  What's his name is on ESPN reporting right now that it's probably a fourth round pick.  That's a coup for the Jets, even if he ends up suspended for a few weeks, IMO.  They are 1-6, and I think this gives them a skill position guy to work with Geno, who will give the Jets the chance to find out if Geno is really their guy.  Making him throw to the Deckers and Kerleys of the world, with Ivory and the corpse of Chris Johnson does not give them the information to make an educated decision on Geno's future.  Harvin can do that.  It also takes a whole bunch of the news cycle off Rex for the near term.  I love the move for the Jets.

 

[Chemistry Schmemistry]

 

 
I don't think Seattle has that philosophy about slot receivers in general -- remember, these are the same guys that traded a 1st and 3rd for Harvin and then gave him 26m guaranteed only 18 months ago.  Why would they do that if they thought slot guys were fungible?

 

He's done what slot guys do, though. And he has that elite speed - they've used that. He's 11-92-1 rushing this year, and he's caught 22 of the 26 passes Wilson has thrown his direction. That's more than seven opportunities per game and something opponents must adjust to if they're playing Seattle.

Since they're not getting a 1 back - which would mean, given the Jets' high draft position, an offer they might well not want to refuse - what else could this be other than an extraordinary preparation issue or a change in how the Seahawks value the position?

 

[Remagellan]

Glazer on the FAN now:
 
http://player.radio.com/listen/station/sports-radio-66-wfan-ny

 

[Ed Hillel]

 That's a coup for the Jets, even if he ends up suspended for a few weeks, IMO.  They are 1-6, and I think this gives them a skill position guy to work with Geno, who will give the Jets the chance to find out if Geno is really their guy.  Making him throw to the Deckers and Kerleys of the world, with Ivory and the corpse of Chris Johnson does not give them the information to make an educated decision on Geno's future.  Harvin can do that.  It also takes a whole bunch of the news cycle off Rex for the near term.  I love the move for the Jets.

 
Given his base salary, injury concerns, and apparent crazy, I fail to see how it's a coup. There's a decent chance he gets cut in the offseason if he gets hurt or he really is that crazy.
 
I know the Jets have a lot of money, but if he does play for the Jets next year, they are essentially spending 17 million bucks for his contributions in 2015 (his 2015 base salary, plus money paid this year that can't be rolled over). Plus they give up a pick.

 

[coremiller]

The Jets have a ton of cap room this year and are going nowhere.  They're not on the hook for his signing bonus and his base salaries aren't guaranteed after this year.  For a mid-round pick, why not take a chance?  At least they'll be more fun to watch.  If it works out, they can renegotiate his contract to lower the cap hit.  If it doesn't they can cut him and move on.  
 

   

He's done what slot guys do, though. And he has that elite speed - they've used that. He's 11-92-1 rushing this year, and he's caught 22 of the 26 passes Wilson has thrown his direction. That's more than seven opportunities per game and something opponents must adjust to if they're playing Seattle.

Since they're not getting a 1 back - which would mean, given the Jets' high draft position, an offer they might well not want to refuse - what else could this be other than an extraordinary preparation issue or a change in how the Seahawks value the position?

 
My point was just that Seattle would have to have done a huge 180 on how they value the position in a pretty short amount of time, and that seems unlikely.  

 

[snowmanny]

I guess from a NYJ perspective the difference between going 3-6 versus 6-3 (edit-the rest of the way) is how many people get fired.

 

[Chemistry Schmemistry]

Cap ramifications:

This year: Saves the Seahawks about $6.5 million in salary, opposite for the Jets. The Jets have an extraordinary amount of 2014 cap space, so they can absorb this easily. So there's the cash question.

Future guaranteed-money cap questions: The Seahawks lose $4.8 million in 2015, but gain $2.4 million in 2016 and 2017.

Future salary questions: Harvin gets $10.5 million in 2015, $9.9 million in 2016 and $9.95 million in 2017 (there's also an option year of sorts in 2018). This isn't guaranteed, but, assuming they would have kept him, the Seahawks' net savings from the release is $5.7 million in 2015 cap money.

As far as future cap estimates, the Seahawks had plenty of room to extend Wilson. This was not a desperation move to free current or future cap space. Unless it's 2014 cap space and they have an expensive trade acquisition in mind.

 

[koufax32]

Harvin must have started randomly punching people in the face again. It makes me smile to think about him taking this particular talent to the Jets practice fields.