Offseason Thread - Betty when you call me, you can call me Al

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lovegtm said:
I just like Turner so much more than Sabonis, given the proven range and (especially) defensive upside. I would definitely get behind Brown for Turner, and that makes some sense for Indy. This is regardless of Kemba, but I get that they want to use the cap space this summer.
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maybe Brown/Rozier S&T/Yabu for Turner (does that make it cap neutral if Terry is 4 for $50M?)

sign Brogdon 4yrs for $75-80M (backloaded put) - instead of Kemba at $140M
add Satoransky and Bryant with remaining money on 2yr deals, so that cap money opens up when Hayward comes off

Brogdon
Smart
Tatum
Hayward
Turner

bench: Sato, Bryant, Semi, Langford, TL, Grant, Edwards
 
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I don't get the phrasing. You can only "sell" Philly on that if Butler makes it clear he's not staying. That tweet makes it sound like they are trying to sell Philly on not signing Butler even if he would stay and taking whatever random 1st round pick someone gives Houston for one of those players.

I guess it's more selling Butler on it.
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Agreed, that was tough to parse. Here's Woj's full story: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27061860/rockets-shop-capela-gordon-space
Basically, Houston is trying to free up cap space and they're shopping Gordon, Tucker and Capella with the hopes of signing Butler.
 
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DrewDawg said:
Without being too flippant, one has little or no choice about coming here, the other can pick from a myriad of teams.

Either way, it seems the leader in the clubhouse for big acquisition is Kemba, which means Vuc won't be an option.
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Sure, but in that case neither is Capela. The point was more that there are many many options for cap space, so the idea that they might as well trade a 1st and their cap space for Capela because there isn't much else to do, makes no sense.
 
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I am genuinely curious why some people here are so keen on Capela. Aside from being a "big" who can play starter minutes and provide average production, what does he add to the Celtics going forward? Do you really see him as a player on whom you want to spend ~$18mm/year over the next four seasons?
 
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Why aren't we discussing DeWayne Dedmon as an option? He's a decent rebounder and defender and he can shoot the three. He will also be cheaper than either Vucevic or Capela.
 
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I'm not sure anyone is super keen on him, as opposed to he's available, at a position of need, has been rumored (kinda, sorta) to Boston, and frankly with everyone leaving it's much more fun to think about someone new coming in.

Basically he's our rebound relationship. As is anyone else linked.

However, if someone *is* super keen, I'd hope they make their case.
 
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Why would we trade Brown for a big? Wings that can play both ways and shoot from outside are more valuable than big men in today's NBA. It is much easier to get by with a below-average 5 than below-average wings.

If we sign Kemba, looking to bring in a cheaper vet (Noah, Ed Davis, Robin Lopez, Javale McGee, etc.) would be the best way to go to soak up some minutes while Time Lord gains some more experience. If the team looks like its going to compete and we need an Embiid stopper, we can shop around at the deadline and try and find someone, similar to how Toronto got Gasol.
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Maybe this is off, but I’m assuming he’ll get a max offer sheet next year, so he’s going to be expensive soon and while I vacillate wildly with my optimism on JB, I do worry about his offensive upside. I don’t know if it makes sense to commit that much to a guy like him if you’re going to be paying Hayward and Kemba, and eventually Tatum. If there’s no Kemba, I think they’ll be out 11 million in space next year due to Jaylen ‘s cap hold, though that’s not really a problem if they use the space on someone else and aren’t looking to roll it over- one of the reasons I’d be fine with spending $$ on Vucevic and keeping JB.

And yeah, I see Turner as a much better fit than Sabine’s, stylistically, on both ends, but no, there’s not much possibility of making a deal centered around Brown without including Smart.
 
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DrewDawg said:
I don't get the phrasing. You can only "sell" Philly on that if Butler makes it clear he's not staying. That tweet makes it sound like they are trying to sell Philly on not signing Butler even if he would stay and taking whatever random 1st round pick someone gives Houston for one of those players.

I guess it's more selling Butler on it.
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Yeah, seems more like a hostile takeover attempt by Houston. Wake me up when the talks become serious on both sides.
 
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Interesting. The Pelicans did not make a QO to Cheick Diallo. He's still 22 and raw, but showed improvement across his 3 years. Gets NOP to 32M in cap space.... they might really try to make the playoffs next year.
 
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I'm not keen on any of the big men under discussion unless Marc Gasol becomes available.
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He opted in to his option for $25 mil today, per Woj. Could mean he sees a soft market for bigs, or could just mean he’s already made $180 million in his career and likes Toronto
 
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DannyDarwinism said:
He opted in to his option for $25 mil today, per Woj. Could mean he sees a soft market for bigs, or could just mean he’s already made $180 million in his career and likes Toronto
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Nighthob had assured me that it was a 100% certainty that Gasol would turn down that option and sign a four-year deal this summer.
 
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Interesting. The Pelicans did not make a QO to Cheick Diallo. He's still 22 and raw, but showed improvement across his 3 years. Gets NOP to 32M in cap space.... they might really try to make the playoffs next year.
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Marc Stein said yesterday that he saw New Orleans as a stealth player for Al Horford, which would be a really interesting signing for them.
 
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DannyDarwinism said:
He opted in to his option for $25 mil today, per Woj. Could mean he sees a soft market for bigs, or could just mean he’s already made $180 million in his career and likes Toronto
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Yes, I heard it on the radio. Gasol may be planning to go back to Europe a year from now, play half as many games and enjoy living in Madrid or Barcelona.
 
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RedOctober3829 said:
Chris Haynes says C’s are interested in Enes Kanter.
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Hell no on him.

I'll probably get some heat for this one, pun intended, but if Miami wanted to dump Kelly Olynyk for next to nothing to clear their ledger a bit, I'd take him back in a second.
 
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cheech13 said:
Nighthob had assured me that it was a 100% certainty that Gasol would turn down that option and sign a four-year deal this summer.
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I recall saying last summer that I could see him leaving to ring chase this summer. I don’t recall saying anything else after. And he has certainly landed in the perfect situation to contend for another ring (presuming that Leonard stays to lead the Raptors to a repeat). Maybe you’re getting me confuzzled with another poster?
 
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It would side splittingly hilarious if this summer ended with a Durant for Hayward sign & trade, Horford re-signing, and Irving deciding to return.
 
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Sports radio was discussing a tweet that had the Cs as the third team in on a Butler s+t to Houston.

Smart and Memphis pick out, Capela and two firsts coming back

Missed who the tweet was from, but first time I’ve heard names mentioned in the Capela stuff.
 
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Yeah, with Davis off the market the Memphis pick is all but untouchable, unless someone like KAT unexpectedly become available.

That said, can someone smarter than me figure out if swapping Smart (and lesser picks) for Capella leaves enough space for Kemba as well? Does that swap clear enough salary to satisfy Houston?
 
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Sports radio was discussing a tweet that had the Cs as the third team in on a Butler s+t to Houston.

Smart and Memphis pick out, Capela and two firsts coming back

Missed who the tweet was from, but first time I’ve heard names mentioned in the Capela stuff.
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Why would Boston send out the second best player and the most valuable asset for the worst player in a transaction? Does the tweeter think Danny owes Philadelphia for the Fultz trade?
 
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nighthob said:
Why would Boston send out the second best player and the most valuable asset for the worst player in a transaction? Does the tweeter think Danny owes Philadelphia for the Fultz trade?
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"Sports radio was discussing a tweet" was enough to ward off an in depth look at the content.

If this medium were Outlook instead of a message board, I'd have a rule for posts with "sports radio", "98.5", "Felger", and a dozen similar keywords.
 
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"I've been told by a source in Houston that the Boston Celtics have significant interest in being the third team in a Rockets/76ers sign & trade. Speculation: Boston, who has now emerged as the front runner to land Kemba Walker, will try and move in and acquire Clint Capela. Not breaking news by any means. Pretty mild and expected actually. Boston might be a team more willing to give up assets to be involved compared to Sacramento, which could make a big difference."

https://twitter.com/MattGeorgeKHTK/status/1144261207215497216
 
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Capela makes a lot more sense on a Kemba team, and you get to keep Hayward and Brown and figure out later what, if anything, to do with them. Pretty useful to get a couple months of the season to see how they look after the summer.

But whose salary goes the other way in a Capela deal? If it's something like Smart+Yabu, Houston would need to be sending assets imo. If it's Brown, the salaries are harder, and it's too much value for Capela.
 
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Smart is the only reasonable way for Capela to work.

I kind of hate that deal for a lot of reasons but it does make sense from a talent perspective.
 
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Devizier said:
Smart is the only reasonable way for Capela to work.

I kind of hate that deal for a lot of reasons but it does make sense from a talent perspective.
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Also lets you keep other assets out of the deal, because Smart would be really valuable to Houston.
 
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Houston would probably want Smart and a pick for Capela. If it's the Memphis pick that's too much. If it's a future Boston first that might not be enough for what they are trying to do. They need assets to flip to Philly. I don't see an easy roadmap, but Morey lives for this stuff. There's probably a way to make the math work.
 
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cheech13 said:
Houston would probably want Smart and a pick for Capela. If it's the Memphis pick that's too much. If it's a future Boston first that might not be enough for what they are trying to do. They need assets to flip to Philly. I don't see an easy roadmap, but Morey lives for this stuff. There's probably a way to make the math work.
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Wait---the talk now is a 3 team trade that gets Jimmy Butler to HOU. They're not getting Smart.
 
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