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Next offseason is going to be brutal for pitching in the free agent market. The Red Sox have a non zero chance to have the top two pitchers entering it.
As of now that does not seem true at all. Wheeler, Burnes and Fried are all legit #1s. If Montgomery is your game 1 starter you are not looking great. I am not even sure I would want 5 playoff innings of Montgomery over Pivetta. I am also very pro signing Pivetta to some 3/45ish extension right now.I assume Wheeler stays in Philly plus he will be 34. But still I would unload some money on Fried and Burnes
 

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I completely understand that. I just think he could be a useful bench piece to fill in at DH/1B/3B (obviously in a massive pinch for the last one). Right now the line-up doesn't have much depth and he could help provide that.
Again, I don't care that much about Justin Turner. I understand not bringing him back at that price. I just don't buy the notion that he has no place on this team at all
I mean, I totally agree he'd be great to have in the potential Dalbec role (i.e. bench player who is the back up at 1b/3b) but there is no way he'd be interested in that and it's probably a waste of resources for what he would cost.

Did I miss an acquisition or two? If Yoshida is the DH, as he should be, than we’ve got an OF of Duran-O’Neill-Abreu, I guess? If they decide to play Yoshida in LF, who is getting those DH at bats? Dalbec? Refsnyder? That seems pretty weak too, and leaves the team incredibly vulnerable to injuries.

If the plan is to rotate the DH and use Rafaela as a super utility player, that’s one thing, but I hadn’t heard that and it doesn’t align with the stated goal of acquiring a RH power bat who can play multiple positions.
I would hope that Devers is the DH when Yoshida is in LF - but that's just my opinion. If not Casas could be. The one thing this team doesn't have is a shortage of players who should be DHing.
I actually hadn't heard that they have a stated goal of acquiring a RH power bat who can play multiple positions. Did Breslow say that? Sounds like a rumor that never materialized because unless a Brandon Drury trade is actually going to happen, I'm not seeing who it is that they are going to find to fill that need. I think the closest they are going to get is a guy that is already on the team : Ceddane Rafaela.
 

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My mood is changing by the day. I went from thinking they were in on both YY and Monty, to thinking they were punting a year to wait for the prospects, to just not being sure what is going on. I do not believe they are selling the team, but I am starting to have my doubts. It is probably just sports radio and the general down beat mood friends of mine have about the Red Sox, but something just doesn't feel right to me. My base case is a punt and then start building again, but I am starting to be open to the idea Henry has gotten older and is ready to cash out. At this point, we just have to see how 2024 plays out.
Yeah, either way - there's not much to get excited for.
 

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I actually hadn't heard that they have a stated goal of acquiring a RH power bat who can play multiple positions. Did Breslow say that? Sounds like a rumor that never materialized because unless a Brandon Drury trade is actually going to happen, I'm not seeing who it is that they are going to find to fill that need. I think the closest they are going to get is a guy that is already on the team : Ceddane Rafaela.
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I guess I added “power”, he mentions a RH bat that has positional flexibility.

In your scenario where Devers or Casas is DHing, who is playing 1b or 3b? Current options appear to be Dalbec, Refsnyder, or Reyes which is about as meh as it gets.
 

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As of now that does not seem true at all. Wheeler, Burnes and Fried are all legit #1s. If Montgomery is your game 1 starter you are not looking great. I am not even sure I would want 5 playoff innings of Montgomery over Pivetta. I am also very pro signing Pivetta to some 3/45ish extension right now.I assume Wheeler stays in Philly plus he will be 34. But still I would unload some money on Fried and Burnes
Fried and Burnes are great pitchers, but it's the same old story - who's going to take on the risk of a monster contract to a pitcher who's hit the age of 30? The Red Sox seem especially averse to that kind of risk these days.
 

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Fried and Burnes are great pitchers, but it's the same old story - who's going to take on the risk of a monster contract to a pitcher who's hit the age of 30? The Red Sox seem especially averse to that kind of risk these days.
Nor Texas, nor the Giants apparently. Not sure the Yankees will dip back into that market. It's mostly been a frustrating time but the staring contest over SP value is kind of fascinating too.
 

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Oh hell yeah! Houston has actually a lot going for it- incredible museums, great universities, a good arts and music scene. It’s THE most culturally diverse city in the US (sorry Queens). It’s got some really awful shit but the downtown and inner city areas are great.
Dallas has…. Some cool stuff but it’s a mostly a pile of shit
 
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Fried and Burnes are great pitchers, but it's the same old story - who's going to take on the risk of a monster contract to a pitcher who's hit the age of 30? The Red Sox seem especially averse to that kind of risk these days.
There's also the possibility that Roki Sasaki will be posted (@Tokyo Sox seems to think he will I believe), in which case we can all daydream about getting him for a while until LA swoops in with another $350m.
 

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There's also the possibility that Roki Sasaki will be posted (@Tokyo Sox seems to think he will I believe), in which case we can all daydream about getting him for a while until LA swoops in with another $350m.
SD is his rumored landing spot but also if he comes over before 2027, he is subject to IFA rules and can’t be paid much (like Ohtani’s first deal).
 

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I guess I added “power”, he mentions a RH bat that has positional flexibility.
Thanks for sharing that. Not seeing who they could reasonable target at this point.
One free agent who would be an interesting below the radar signing for this team would be Jonathan Schoop. He wields a feeble bat but always has had a platoon split and was still able to put up a high 600 OPS against LHP last year. Most importantly, he was probably the best fielder at any position two years ago when he played 2b. He would be a great back-up option for Grissom in tight/late game situations. He also has experience at SS (where he's been excellent), and to a lesser degree 1b and 3b. He might not be able to hit anymore, but he is right handed and versatile, and could be a stopgap back-up IF to protect against a total defensive collapse at any one of the Sox's IF positions (like they saw last year).
If they want someone who can actually field a position well and still hit, Carlos Santana (who is a switch hitter but has always hit like a RHB) is still a free agent. That said, he was probably too good for a bench role, and signing him would mean DHing Casas regularly (since Santana is a far better fielder) which they might not want to do just yet (since Casas is young enough to hope for improvement).

In your scenario where Devers or Casas is DHing, who is playing 1b or 3b? Current options appear to be Dalbec, Refsnyder, or Reyes which is about as meh as it gets.
Rafaela has more career games (in the minors) at 3b than SS. The only position where he has more experience is CF.
1b is more of an issue which probably means Casas would be the one least likely to be DH'd. They could keep Dalbec, of course, and use him against LHP, but he's also a terrible fielding 1b and that takes a roster spot on an already crowded roster. Personally, I'd really like to see Devers work on getting some experience there in spring training with the hope that he can swing to 1b on Casas's days off. He seems to get an inordinate amount of errors at 3b because of poor throws, so it wouldn't be shocking if he'd be better at 1b than 3b. Assuming they don't acquire someone, I'm guessing it will end up tasked to someone like Abreu or Refsnyder (assuming he makes the team), or whoever seems to show the most aptitude for the position in spring training. Maybe that's Refsnyder's path to a roster spot, since he does have past experience at the position..
 

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Santana is not a bad idea. Seems like he should come fairly cheap, decent insurance for Casas and can get some AB vs LHP. I endorse that idea.
 

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Rafaela has more career games (in the minors) at 3b than SS. The only position where he has more experience is CF.
This is true but also misleading. He hasn’t played a single inning at 3b since 2021. Since then he’s played 360 innings at SS. The organization clearly does not think playing him at 3b maximizes his on field value.

Edit: the last sentence probably overstates the case. It’s much easier to move down the defensive spectrum so from a developmental standpoint it makes sense to have him focus on SS/CF.
 

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Santana is not a bad idea. Seems like he should come fairly cheap, decent insurance for Casas and can get some AB vs LHP. I endorse that idea.
Yeah, I'm curious to know how much it would take to sign him. That said, if signing him is going to improve the defense at all, Casas will have to DH. According to Statcact, Casas's -10 OAA made him the second worst fielding 1b in baseball last year (39/40). Santana's +2 made him the 10th best in baseball.
 

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This is true but also misleading. He hasn’t played a single inning at 3b since 2021. Since then he’s played 360 innings at SS. The organization clearly does not think playing him at 3b maximizes his on field value.
Sure, I agree, in the abstract it doesn't. But when you have Story at SS and Devers at 3b, giving Devers some time at DH and placing Rafaela there on those days is a good use of his value, especially on a team that doesn't have anyone else who can passably field the position (including Devers).
 

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A few months ago, Yashinobu Yamamoto and Shohei Ohtani walk into FSG Headquarters. They are holding hands because they are friends. “Hello. We love the magic of Fenway. We’d like to play for the Red Sox for free. Do you have any interest?”

John Henry doesn’t even look up from his laptop. He shoos them away.

Yoshi and Shohei can’t believe it. Who wouldn’t want them to play for their team? For no money. Maybe Henry didn’t hear them. So they wave their arms, gesticulating loudly: “Listen! We are willing to play for free during our prime years. This is against our better judgment. Take us up on it!

“No.” John Henry says. “I’m an asshole.”
 

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As of now that does not seem true at all. Wheeler, Burnes and Fried are all legit #1s. If Montgomery is your game 1 starter you are not looking great. I am not even sure I would want 5 playoff innings of Montgomery over Pivetta. I am also very pro signing Pivetta to some 3/45ish extension right now.I assume Wheeler stays in Philly plus he will be 34. But still I would unload some money on Fried and Burnes
All three are and all three have had serious health concerns and could end up not playing a ton of games last year. All the top pitchers have serious health concerns.
 

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Question is, will he want to be more than an insurance policy getting some ABs vs LHP?
Seems to me like there are a lot of AB’s available; I’m unclear as to where all of the AB’s that went to Turner, Verdugo, and Duvall are going. Those three guys had almost 1600 PA’s last year. Give O’Neill and Abreu 450 and a few hundred more to Duran and that still leaves a bunch.

It’s also February 1st; I imagine some of these guys are getting antsy to sign. If you’re Santana’s age and you wait too long, there’s a chance your career is over.
 

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Santana is not a bad idea. Seems like he should come fairly cheap, decent insurance for Casas and can get some AB vs LHP. I endorse that idea.
The other RH free agent who can actually cover 1b well (+4 OAA), has some positional flexibility (plays a mediocre OF as well) and pound LHP is Garrett Cooper. Like Santana, he'd be an excellent fit as the lefty masher (.908 OPS vs LHP in 23') from the bench who can spell Casas on days off and push Casas to the DH on some other days (as he is a much better fielder than him). Similar to Santana it's not clear he would be excited to join the Red Sox unless he has a chance at getting regular ABs. He could be a Refsnyder upgrade, who will play less in LF but is more capable at 1b (as someone needs to back up Casas).
Neither of these guys would likely be that expensive but they would probably both prefer at least a shot at starting, especially on a team that isn't looking like a contender. Santana would also be a good fit for the veteran leader role that Turner provided as he's also seen as having that type of clubhouse presence.
 

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Seems to me like there are a lot of AB’s available; I’m unclear as to where all of the AB’s that went to Turner, Verdugo, and Duvall are going. Those three guys had almost 1600 PA’s last year. Give O’Neill and Abreu 450 and a few hundred more to Duran and that still leaves a bunch.

It’s also February 1st; I imagine some of these guys are getting antsy to sign. If you’re Santana’s age and you wait too long, there’s a chance your career is over.
Well presumably Rafaela gets a bunch of ABs as well. But yes, we all know there will be injuries too, so there will definitely be some ABs available for a player like Garrett Cooper or Carlos Santana, especially since they can both field at least one position well (something that very few members of this team can claim). On paper though, at least at the start of the season (unless they are committing to shifting Casas to DH), it won't look like there are that many chances for two guys whose primary position is 1b.
 

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"Red Sox have claimed Romy Gonzalez off waivers from the White Sox. Zach Weiss was DFA’d to open up a spot on the 40-man. Can help at 3B/2B/SS. Didn’t hit at all in the big leagues the last two seasons. 64 OPS+ in 76 games. "
Any time you can give 3B at-bats to a 64 OPS+ player, (especially if it's the same position as your franchise player) you gotta do it.
 

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Seems to me like there are a lot of AB’s available; I’m unclear as to where all of the AB’s that went to Turner, Verdugo, and Duvall are going. Those three guys had almost 1600 PA’s last year. Give O’Neill and Abreu 450 and a few hundred more to Duran and that still leaves a bunch.

It’s also February 1st; I imagine some of these guys are getting antsy to sign. If you’re Santana’s age and you wait too long, there’s a chance your career is over.
As currently constructed, I would think that O'Neill, Duran, Abreau, Rafaela are likely to get the bulk of the roughly 1400 ABs/1600 PAs
 

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As currently constructed, I would think that O'Neill, Duran, Abreau, Rafaela are likely to get the bulk of the roughly 1400 ABs/1600 PAs
Duran already had close to 400 PA’s last year, and Abreu and Rafaela had ~90.

Then you’ve got all the PA’s that went to Tapia, Valdez, Chang, Urias- that’s like close to 400 more.

The idea that a potential veteran to be acquired would be blocked based on current personnel seems unrealistic to me, based on injuries, ineffectiveness and how many players a team uses during a season.
 

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Duran already had close to 400 PA’s last year, and Abreu and Rafaela had ~90.

Then you’ve got all the PA’s that went to Tapia, Valdez, Chang, Urias- that’s like close to 400 more.

The idea that a potential veteran to be acquired would be blocked based on current personnel seems unrealistic to me, based on injuries, ineffectiveness and how many players a team uses during a season.
We're now having a different discussion from your post and my response. And if we're now moving onto middle infielders I would guess that Story and Grissom will be expected to make up the bulk of that and possibly Rafaela
Santana is not a bad idea. Seems like he should come fairly cheap, decent insurance for Casas and can get some AB vs LHP. I endorse that idea.
Question is, will he want to be more than an insurance policy getting some ABs vs LHP?
 

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Duran already had close to 400 PA’s last year, and Abreu and Rafaela had ~90.

Then you’ve got all the PA’s that went to Tapia, Valdez, Chang, Urias- that’s like close to 400 more.

The idea that a potential veteran to be acquired would be blocked based on current personnel seems unrealistic to me, based on injuries, ineffectiveness and how many players a team uses during a season.
100%. And it’s not like there is a couple guys in AAA you are excited about right now.

Valdez and Rafaela need to start the year in AAA. That’s seems obvious to me. Depth is much improved by kicking them down the roster.

The team needs a right handed bat who can hit home runs and play a non horrible first base. Between resting Devers, Casas, Yoshida, and DH’ing there are a ton of at bats to absorb.
 

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We're now having a different discussion from your post and my response. And if we're now moving onto middle infielders I would guess that Story and Grissom will be expected to make up the bulk of that and possibly Rafaela
The discussion is the same- the team doesn’t have close to enough good players under control to pick up all the plate appearances they need. If you go into the season with Abreu and Duran’s starting positions locked up, without viable competition, don’t complain when a few guys get hurt and suddenly the team has given hundreds of at bats to guys like David Hamilton, Romy Gonzalez, and Rob Refsnyder.
 

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Breslow finally got his right handed bat with positional flexibility!
I was this close to chiding you for suggesting Jonathan Schoop. This guy makes Schoop look like Bregman.

When Breslow said he wanted a right-handed bat, I thought he meant a guy who can actually swing one.
 

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The discussion is the same- the team doesn’t have close to enough good players under control to pick up all the plate appearances they need. If you go into the season with Abreu and Duran’s starting positions locked up, without viable competition, don’t complain when a few guys get hurt and suddenly the team has given hundreds of at bats to guys like David Hamilton, Romy Gonzalez, and Rob Refsnyder.
We were talking Santana you said that he would be "decent insurance for Casas and can get some AB vs LHP. " I simply asked if he would want to be more than that. I would say that the discussion is now completely different.
 

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The discussion is the same- the team doesn’t have close to enough good players under control to pick up all the plate appearances they need. If you go into the season with Abreu and Duran’s starting positions locked up, without viable competition, don’t complain when a few guys get hurt and suddenly the team has given hundreds of at bats to guys like David Hamilton, Romy Gonzalez, and Rob Refsnyder.
Right now. Yoshida, O’Neil, Duran, and Abreu are all starting irregardless of what hand the pitcher is throwing with.

Abreu can’t hit lefties at all. They are going to need to protect him.

Yoshida needs rest and a lot of time at DH.

They need another bat in a huge way that can rotate at the DH/OF/1b spot. There at alot if at bats there. And that’s before factoring in injury.
 

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The discussion is the same- the team doesn’t have close to enough good players under control to pick up all the plate appearances they need. If you go into the season with Abreu and Duran’s starting positions locked up, without viable competition, don’t complain when a few guys get hurt and suddenly the team has given hundreds of at bats to guys like David Hamilton, Romy Gonzalez, and Rob Refsnyder.
The problem is how do you convince reasonably good free agents that your team is an attractive destination when you have starters penciled in at their primary position? I mean, someone like Carlos Santana plays a good defensive 1b and was close to league average at the plate. He had 600 PAs last year and, somewhat remarkably, he's had at least 500 ABs (except for the COVID shortened 2020 season) since he first became a regular in 2011. Maybe he's ready to slow down and take a bench role, but that will be a first for him. He would probably prefer a team that doesn't have an established first baseman (Miami maybe? They have Josh Bell but he should DH) or a team that has an established one but has a chance of a deep playoff run. Santana would make a nice bench addition to Atlanta, for example, where he could spell Matt Olson (who has slipped as a defender) and get some ABs against LHP ( Olson has a lower OPS against LHP than Santana). Unless the Sox tell him they are willing to shift Casas to DH, they don't seem to be offering that many ABs, until the inevitable happens and someone gets injured of course. That said, since he has limited defensive flexibility, Santana won't be able to benefit too much from an injury unless it's to Casas or someone who was expected to DH (like Yoshida).
Garrett Cooper might be a bit more convincible since he has a bit more positional flexibility and has been a bench player many times in his career, but he plays a bad OF, so he's clearly less attractive there which is something he is likely aware of. He probably would also like either a bench role with a contender or a chance to be the team's starter. Clearly if this type of guy is still available in March they are going to be desperate, at which time they might be happy to sign anywhere they can see having any role. It might be a while until they get that desperate though..
 

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Duran already had close to 400 PA’s last year, and Abreu and Rafaela had ~90.

Then you’ve got all the PA’s that went to Tapia, Valdez, Chang, Urias- that’s like close to 400 more.

The idea that a potential veteran to be acquired would be blocked based on current personnel seems unrealistic to me, based on injuries, ineffectiveness and how many players a team uses during a season.
So this is really about you wanting to acquire a vet who will be a dedicated DH?

A mainstay player will log about 150 games and 600 ABs. Devers, Casas, Story and Grissom are the IF. The 3 OF positions plus DH are Yoshida, O'Neil, Duran, Abreu. We have our two catchers in Wong and McGuire.

Players to be subbed in will be Refsnyder, Reyes, Rafaela, Valdez, Gonzalez, Dalbec and Hamilton. Possibly in that order. Maybe Yorke or someone else is in the mix mid-season.

The Sox really don't need a backup RHH 1B. They need someone who is an upgrade over Abreu (if they don't believe in him and/or want him in AAA) or Refsnyder. Or Reyes. But right now Abreu/Refsnyder look like a pretty good platoon.
 

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The problem is how do you convince reasonably good free agents that your team is an attractive destination when you have starters penciled in at their primary position? I mean, someone like Carlos Santana plays a good defensive 1b and was close to league average at the plate. He got 600 PAs last year and, somewhat remarkably, he's gotten at least 500 ABs (except for the COVID shortened 2020 season) since he first became a regular in 2011. Maybe he's ready to slow down and take a bench role, but that will be a first for him. He would probably prefer a team that doesn't have an established first baseman (Miami maybe? They have Josh Bell but he should DH) or a team that has an established one but has a chance of a deep playoff run. Santana would make a nice bench addition to Atlanta, for example, where he could spell Matt Olson (who has slipped as a defender) and get some ABs against LHP ( Olson has a lower OPS against LHP than Santana). Unless the Sox tell him they are willing to shift Casas to DH, they don't seem to be offering that many ABs, until the inevitable happens and someone gets injured of course. That said, since he has limited defensive flexibility, Santana won't be able to benefit too much from an injury unless it's to Casas or someone who was expected to DH (like Yoshida).
Garrett Cooper might be a bit more convincible since he has a bit more positional flexibility and has been a bench player many times in his career, but he plays a bad OF, so he's clearly less attractive there which is something he is likely aware of. He probably would also like either a bench role with a contender or a chance to be the team's starter.
Thanks for this.
 

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So this is really about you wanting to acquire a vet who will be a dedicated DH?

A mainstay player will log about 150 games and 600 ABs. Devers, Casas, Story and Grissom are the IF. The 3 OF positions plus DH are Yoshida, O'Neil, Duran, Abreu. We have our two catchers in Wong and McGuire.

Players to be subbed in will be Refsnyder, Reyes, Rafaela, Valdez, Gonzalez, Dalbec and Hamilton. Possibly in that order. Maybe Yorke or someone else is in the mix mid-season.

The Sox really don't need a backup RHH 1B. They need someone who is an upgrade over Abreu (if they don't believe in him and/or want him in AAA) or Refsnyder. Or Reyes. But right now Abreu/Refsnyder look like a pretty good platoon.
It’s really hard to overemphasize how shallow of a group this is of position players.

People get hurt and/or underperform. It’s a group that desperately needs to be added to.

O’Neil is injury prone. Duran is coming off of surgery. Abreu can’t hit lefties. Yoshida is a horrible defender.

I just can’t fathom looking at what you typed and coming to any conclusion other than “Wow, they need help.”
 

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Fangraphs thinks Romy Gonzalez has options remaining, so I imagine he's 40-man depth in Worcester — if he can weather the end-of-spring 40-man crunch.

He did hit quite well in the minors, and I read that he had sort of labrum issue in his shoulder surgically repaired, so maybe they attribute his poor results with the White Sox to an injury, and want to see what he looks like in Ft. Myers.
 

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It’s really hard to overemphasize how shallow of a group this is of position players.

People get hurt and/or underperform. It’s a group that desperately needs to be added to.

O’Neil is injury prone. Duran is coming off of surgery. Abreu can’t hit lefties. Yoshida is a horrible defender.

I just can’t fathom looking at what you typed and coming to any conclusion other than “Wow, they need help.”
I'm not saying they shouldn't be added to. But the solution is not to go out and get a player on the FA market who is redundant, or who won't address actual shortcomings.

You have to look at what's actually there, and look for the actual soft spots. (We have several threads for that.)

For example, Casas OPS'd .817 against LHP overall, and .940 against LH starters. We don't need a RHH backup 1B. But people think, "Man we lost Turner" and plug it in the "we so need it" bucket. Well, we did in 2023 (and we had one), but we don't need it in 2024.

Moreover, we're not going to sign a premium replacement bat to take up the bulk of the DH ABs *just in case* Casas busts his ankle again. Or just in case Devers starts to attend the Pablo Sandoval school of conditioning. Because while we're waiting for those disasters, it pushes Yoshida into the field for more games. So we don't need a pure DH. (Or a DH who is a drastic liability in the field.) Maybe we end up with someone like that (I don't know) as the best of not so great options. But Breslow should be looking to acquire something of a supersub, IMO.

Lastly, you have to consider that the team as is, just isn't poorly constructed. For example, Abreu platoons well with Refsnyder, and Yoshida can take some DH ABs, minimizing his defense and keeping him fresh. Poof go half your problems.

There's uncertainty due to injury/health issues, yes. So we should consider depth. For the OF, you have Rafaela (if you think he'll hit as well as defend.) So maybe you upgrade (as I mentioned) in the Abreu/Refsnyder area by acquiring one OF who can do both their roles and making other moves, like trading one or both.

There's also some question about performance - Abreu, Duran, O'Neill as you said. . .who all appear to be outfielders. Then there's Grissom and the recovering Story. . .who are middle IF. And that should tell you where you should pick up depth - anywhere But 1B and 3B.
 

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I'm not saying they shouldn't be added to. But the solution is not to go out and get a player on the FA market who is redundant, or who won't address actual shortcomings.

You have to look at what's actually there, and look for the actual soft spots. (We have several threads for that.)

For example, Casas OPS'd .817 against LHP overall, and .940 against LH starters. We don't need a RHH backup 1B. But people think, "Man we lost Turner" and plug it in the "we so need it" bucket. Well, we did in 2023 (and we had one), but we don't need it in 2024.

Moreover, we're not going to sign a premium replacement bat to take up the bulk of the DH ABs *just in case* Casas busts his ankle again. Or just in case Devers starts to attend the Pablo Sandoval school of conditioning. Because while we're waiting for those disasters, it pushes Yoshida into the field for more games. So we don't need a pure DH. (Or a DH who is a drastic liability in the field.) Maybe we end up with someone like that (I don't know) as the best of not so great options. But Breslow should be looking to acquire something of a supersub, IMO.

Lastly, you have to consider that the team as is, just isn't poorly constructed. For example, Abreu platoons well with Refsnyder, and Yoshida can take some DH ABs, minimizing his defense and keeping him fresh. Poof go half your problems.

There's uncertainty due to injury/health issues, yes. So we should consider depth. For the OF, you have Rafaela (if you think he'll hit as well as defend.) So maybe you upgrade (as I mentioned) in the Abreu/Refsnyder area by acquiring one OF who can do both their roles and making other moves, like trading one or both.

There's also some question about performance - Abreu, Duran, O'Neill as you said. . .who all appear to be outfielders. Then there's Grissom and the recovering Story. . .who are middle IF. And that should tell you where you should pick up depth - anywhere But 1B and 3B.
Also. Imo we were spoiled by Ortiz. Most teams use the DH as a way to give players the day off from fielding. There are very few players who are only DH’s and very few teams who sign a player who will only DH.
 

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Fangraphs thinks Romy Gonzalez has options remaining, so I imagine he's 40-man depth in Worcester — if he can weather the end-of-spring 40-man crunch.

He did hit quite well in the minors, and I read that he had sort of labrum issue in his shoulder surgically repaired, so maybe they attribute his poor results with the White Sox to an injury, and want to see what he looks like in Ft. Myers.
Yeah, he seems like a guy they might try to sneak through. Reyes has no options left so I’d figure he starts on the 26, unless there’s more shakeups.

Romy’s positional flexibility makes him seem redundant to Reyes, but at the plate he looks a lot different. Pablo’s got a much better hit tool and showed, near-elite plate discipline last year. Romy chases a bunch and swings through a lot in the zone, but hits the ball really hard (when he does).
 

TeeJayOrTj

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All three are and all three have had serious health concerns and could end up not playing a ton of games last year. All the top pitchers have serious health concerns.
Ya a lot can change in a year and the FA crop can be evaluated then. But one thing that won’t change is Montgomery being an inning eater 3 and without an ace ceiling. Something that I don’t think this staff needs this year at his projected cost.
 

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I'm not saying they shouldn't be added to. But the solution is not to go out and get a player on the FA market who is redundant, or who won't address actual shortcomings.

You have to look at what's actually there, and look for the actual soft spots. (We have several threads for that.)

For example, Casas OPS'd .817 against LHP overall, and .940 against LH starters. We don't need a RHH backup 1B. But people think, "Man we lost Turner" and plug it in the "we so need it" bucket. Well, we did in 2023 (and we had one), but we don't need it in 2024.

Moreover, we're not going to sign a premium replacement bat to take up the bulk of the DH ABs *just in case* Casas busts his ankle again. Or just in case Devers starts to attend the Pablo Sandoval school of conditioning. Because while we're waiting for those disasters, it pushes Yoshida into the field for more games. So we don't need a pure DH. (Or a DH who is a drastic liability in the field.) Maybe we end up with someone like that (I don't know) as the best of not so great options. But Breslow should be looking to acquire something of a supersub, IMO.

Lastly, you have to consider that the team as is, just isn't poorly constructed. For example, Abreu platoons well with Refsnyder, and Yoshida can take some DH ABs, minimizing his defense and keeping him fresh. Poof go half your problems.

There's uncertainty due to injury/health issues, yes. So we should consider depth. For the OF, you have Rafaela (if you think he'll hit as well as defend.) So maybe you upgrade (as I mentioned) in the Abreu/Refsnyder area by acquiring one OF who can do both their roles and making other moves, like trading one or both.

There's also some question about performance - Abreu, Duran, O'Neill as you said. . .who all appear to be outfielders. Then there's Grissom and the recovering Story. . .who are middle IF. And that should tell you where you should pick up depth - anywhere But 1B and 3B.
My lingering concern is that I agree with you that we seem to have enough guys to play each position, it's just that when you look at the sum total the result is a resounding shrug. Which, as you said, is less a matter of looking to plug a true hole than hoping to upgrade mediocrity.

I still think that they need a power hitting RH. I was looking at Turner in part because I have zero faith in Bobby D. and there really isn't any organizational depth at 3B beyond him. With Turner off the board, I have taken a deep breath and realized that if Devers is out any length of time we won't be able to replace his production, and we will just park Reyes there.

Looking as to where we could still add a power RHer, I agree that OF is the place. I addition, it would be nice if that person could also play 1B 15-20 games to give Casas some time off. Which means that I am looking to replace Refsynder with someone who can hit RH pitching good enough to become a full time player when one of the other outfielders goes down. Otherwise they would be platooned with Abreu, getting some other spot starts in the OF, and taking 40-50 games at DH.

Barring trading one of Duran or Abreu in a package for pitching, Duvall may be the best option still out there to fill those needs. I would prefer Soler's bat, but he is essentially a DH these days.
 
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