These numbers almost match.According to Nielsen, ratings are down 11% for the year
To that end the big problem for the NFL is declining HS football numbers. It looks like a slow inevitable decline, and tweaking the broadcasts, new announcers, etc probably can't stop the decline.According to a survey last week from the California Interscholastic Federation, "football participation [in the state] actually decreased by 3.12 percent over the past year and about 10 percent over the past decade," per Ann Killion of the San Francisco Chronicle.
CBS announced it and NFL Network did an average 11.1 rating with a 19 share for the New England Patriots’ win over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Thursday night. Those ratings don’t even include digital viewing numbers on Amazon Prime, which weren’t available early Friday. The television ratings are a 26 percent increase from last season’s Week 5 Arizona-San Francisco game on CBS and NFL Network....
Consider that the Yankees-Twins wild-card playoff game on Tuesday night, which had an enormous 58 percent increase from 2016 because the Yankees were in it, had a 5.2 overnight rating. That game faced no real competition in the sports viewing marketplace on Tuesday night. The Buccaneers-Patriots 11.1 rating, despite going up against a Game 1 ALDS matchup between the Yankees and Indians, more than doubled that AL wild-card game rating.
This has changed. The nature of my job means I have a lot of contact with football coaches, both high school and NCAA. Almost to a man they tell me the same thing: Our players don't watch football, and we have no idea why.The NFL was the good example, showing that men that had played high school football were at a very high level going to watch the NFL, and liley to watch more than one game on Sundays. Carolina was ready for a NFL team but high school football participation in NC was down. The NFL wanted the owners to put money into buying equipment, promoting HS football before getting a franchise. The bad example was the NHL moving into non traditional hockey parts of the USA and doing nothing to promote hockey until after the teams were already playing games.
A light bulb went off for me This has to be true. The text book was from the 90sThis has changed. The nature of my job means I have a lot of contact with football coaches, both high school and NCAA. Almost to a man they tell me the same thing: Our players don't watch football, and we have no idea why.
"The NFL has hurt us," company founder and CEO John Schnatter said. "We are disappointed the NFL and its leadership did not resolve this."
Executives said the company has pulled much of its NFL television advertising and that the NFL has responded by giving the company additional future spots.
"Leadership starts at the top and this is an example of poor leadership," Schnatter said, noting he thought the issue had been "nipped in the bud" a year and a half ago.
Papa John's is playing to the base. He is a hyper conservative, and Blue states generally have real pizza so not his economic sweet spotPapa John's is mad at the NFL
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21250448/nfl-sponsor-papa-john-not-happy-anthem-protests
Papa John's is mad at the NFL
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21250448/nfl-sponsor-papa-john-not-happy-anthem-protests
Their sales numbers are crappy and they're scapegoating the NFL.In revising sales estimates for the next quarter, Papa John's president and chief operating officer Steve Ritchie said on the call that the NFL deal was the primary suspect behind the decline and that "we expect it to persist unless a solution is put in place."
Papa John's is playing to the base. He is a hyper conservative, and Blue states generally have real pizza so not his economic sweet spot
Yep and yepTheir sales numbers are crappy and they're scapegoating the NFL.
Just like when they scapegoated Obamacare. This guy sucks. Much like his pizza.Their sales numbers are crappy and they're scapegoating the NFL.
Dominoes is crushing them right now in the pizza game. I make no claims to the quality of either pie, but Dominoes has had an unbelievably great business run in the past 5 years. Whatever they are doing is working and Papa J's is taking the brunt of it. lol boo hooTheir sales numbers are crappy and they're scapegoating the NFL.
Domino's redid their pizza to make it pretty good by national chain standards, while Papa John's is bad by gas station food standards also their ordering, tracker etc are way better. Basically they are smoking him by putting out a better product, a better experience and similar or better prices. He's running scared.Dominoes is crushing them right now in the pizza game. I make no claims to the quality of either pie, but Dominoes has had an unbelievably great business run in the past 5 years. Whatever they are doing is working and Papa J's is taking the brunt of it. lol boo hoo
A large PJ pizza costs $35 without a discount (about $28 with) in S.K. Needless to say, its' been boycotted by this household for many more reasons for a long time.Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Papa John is a world class shitheel who makes a garbage product.
Wait, what? How much is an average pizza there?A large PJ pizza costs $35 without a discount (about $28 with) in S.K. Needless to say, its' been boycotted by this household for many more reasons for a long time.
About half for the "native" brands. Pizza Hut is somewhere in the middle. A lot of the extra $ goes to super glitzy marketing and ad purchases as competition is absolutely fierce among a dozen or so brands.Wait, what? How much is an average pizza there?
The ones in DC used to be open past midnight, as I recall, though I think Dominos made it until 2 or 3. Outside of NYC, is there a place where local pizza places are open past 4? Miami?What Dominos or Papa Johns is open at 3am? I thought they close at like 11?
Also, every halfway decent city has a local pizza place that is open until 4am. And that local place cannot be worse than Dominos or Papa Johns. It's not possible.
The park Ave dominos in Worcester is open til 4am on the weekends. And that's close to as good as it gets, especially late night options. Worcester pizza is a fucking abominationWhat Dominos or Papa Johns is open at 3am? I thought they close at like 11?
Also, every halfway decent city has a local pizza place that is open until 4am. And that local place cannot be worse than Dominos or Papa Johns. It's not possible.
Bite your tounge. Antonio's has set up shop in town. Get thee over there and thank me later.The park Ave dominos in Worcester is open til 4am on the weekends. And that's close to as good as it gets, especially late night options. Worcester pizza is a fucking abomination
If you eat franchise pizza in New Haven you are an idiot.I have had Papa Johns once in my life, in New Haven, CT. It sucked. Papa Ginos, Pizza Hut and Dominos all the way.
FTFYIf you eat franchise pizza in New Haven youare an idiot. should be shot.
No love for Bimontes?In a city with Frank Pepe's, Sally's and Modern Pizza, you had pizza at Domino's? Was this at gunpoint?
But NFL ratings only declined the last couple years while those trends have, as you note, been going for 30 years. That might be a part of an explanation but doesn't fit timing, does it?FTFY
Back on point for the thread: for the high schoolers, I really think it's as simple as:
--1000000's of more things to watch, and devices to watch them on
--Shorter attention spans. I get impatient with the 10-minute replay challenge, and showing the same play 15 times, and commercials, etc. If I'm 15 and I don't have a lifetime invested in watching, screw that.
--Re: high school players not watching full games: it's shocking and disturbing how overburdened high school students are now, with the pressure to max out activities for college applications, maintain grades, etc. A HS football player probably has many more demands on his time than 30 years ago. My niece is now in HS in CT, and in a marching band that competes at the regional/national levels. She has practice almost every day after school for a couple of hours, and football or competition Saturdays are morning - to - midnight. She has high-end instruction in her instrument (French horn) an AP schedule on top of that, sundry resume-builders for college, plus a community service requirement. I doubt today's football players are watching 3 hours of anything in a row.
He did indeed - http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/8553736/peyton-manning-invests-21-denver-papa-john-pizza-shopsDoesn't Peyton Manning own a bunch of these? Maybe he'll go broke?
In fairness to Manning, we had this:Let's also not forget that Papa John was literally the first person Manning looked to embrace after winning Super Bowl 50, before even his wife.
Hey you know who else is a big Papa John's franchisee? Jerry Jones! Per Florio:He did indeed - http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/8553736/peyton-manning-invests-21-denver-papa-john-pizza-shops
Let's also not forget that Papa John was literally the first person Manning looked to embrace after winning Super Bowl 50, before even his wife.
I've had Papa John's once, at a party after they first opened in Syracuse, and it was bland and forgettable. Eating the grease-stained box would probably be a more enjoyable experience.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/11/02/some-think-jerry-jones-was-behind-the-papa-johns-rant/On Wednesday, the CEO of Papa John’s blamed a decline in earnings on a decline in NFL ratings, which he in turn blamed on the lingering anthem controversy. In response, some blame Cowboys CEO Jerry Jones for putting Papa John up to it.
Jones has become a significant Papa John’s franchise owner, with the total number of stores owned by Jones in excess of 100 as of 2014.
Grabbed a couple slices for lunch today. Pretty damn good. Coincidentally right around the corner from the Park Ave Dominos.Bite your tounge. Antonio's has set up shop in town. Get thee over there and thank me later.
My SK pizza experiences are dated (the aughts) but the Pizza Huts in Daejeon and Gwangju were about the most expensive restaurants in the city. In Changwon I frequented Mr. Yoo's Pizza. The pizza was OK, but the real treat was it was BYOB and he had a Pope John Paul II bottle opener.About half for the "native" brands. Pizza Hut is somewhere in the middle. A lot of the extra $ goes to super glitzy marketing and ad purchases as competition is absolutely fierce among a dozen or so brands.
I feel dirty rooting for Goodell but hope he stands firm against Trump & PJ pressures.
FixedThere's football in an hour and no Week 9 Game Thread up!
You're going to love that place George. The Amherst location provided much of my nutritional needs in the early 2000s...I miss that place!Grabbed a couple slices for lunch today. Pretty damn good. Coincidentally right around the corner from the Park Ave Dominos.
So, thank you!
Yup. Lived in Easthampton when they opened up shop there. One of the greatest days of my now significantly shortened life due to their slices.You're going to love that place George. The Amherst location provided much of my nutritional needs in the early 2000s...I miss that place!
Had pizza at Regina’s in the North End in summer of 2014. I live in California and haven’t had pizza in a restaurant or as takeout since. Wont either.My SK pizza experiences are dated (the aughts) but the Pizza Huts in Daejeon and Gwangju were about the most expensive restaurants in the city. In Changwon I frequented Mr. Yoo's Pizza. The pizza was OK, but the real treat was it was BYOB and he had a Pope John Paul II bottle opener.