Great write-up on the CBs. Is there a guy worth taking at 46? Or are you looking at OT/WR there?
Borderline... he'll be in that grouping of 6'2" 215-220 guys, makes him smaller than 18-20 starters, bigger than a handful.Mac Jones isn't an undersized QB.
OT/OL/WR/Safety/IDLGreat write-up on the CBs. Is there a guy worth taking at 46? Or are you looking at OT/WR there?
Isn't he 6'3"? One inch shorter than Brady?Borderline... he'll be in that grouping of 6'2" 215-220 guys, makes him smaller than 18-20 starters, bigger than a handful.
Got it, thanks.OT/OL/WR/Safety/IDL
None of these day 2 corners really gets me excited at 46. Value doesn't match up. MAYBE a versatile guy like Aaron Robinson or a safety who can possibly play corner like Richie Grant or Javon Holland. Those 2-3 guys could be intriguing there.
Alabama said 6'2" on his pro-day measurement so that's what I was going with. If he's 6'3" that moves him up to about NFL starter average. He's basically in that middle group either way, either right around average or in the group below average.Isn't he 6'3"? One inch shorter than Brady?
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/mac-jones/32004a4f-4e58-6540-bb7f-c07b995d57a4
EDIT: Same height as Matthew Stafford, Kirk Cousins, and Derek Carr. An inch taller than Aaron Rodgers and Dak Prescott, among others.
Kyed going with one of my favorite approaches:Kyed projects/guesses Patriots Rounds 2-7
https://nesn.com/2021/04/patriots-day-2-mock-draft-pats-grab-electric-wide-receiver-in-round-2/
Right, if he's 6'3" (which is what he's listed as on nfl.com and patriots.com), he's average or a hair under. An inch taller than Aaron Rodgers, an inch shorter than Tom Brady, and the same height as Patrick Mahomes.Alabama said 6'2" on his pro-day measurement so that's what I was going with. If he's 6'3" that moves him up to about NFL starter average. He's basically in that middle group either way, either right around average or in the group below average.
Cuse homer. ;-)I like Andre Cisco for the Pats at some point...ball hawk S
Based on the write up above, apparently. haha...its all legit criticism though. I just know the dude knows how to find the ball. But thats likely not enough for the next levelCuse homer. ;-)
I'm a Cuse guy as well, and I'd love for Cisco to find an NFL home... that's not the Pats. I'm not as down on him as SMU, but he's not a Belichick-type player at all.Based on the write up above, apparently. haha...its all legit criticism though. I just know the dude knows how to find the ball. But thats likely not enough for the next level
Truth be told, for SU guys, I really like Trill Williams as a late round dice roll. I think he has the potential to be an NFL contributor
Remember the days when SU was sending big-time players to the NFL year-in and year-out?Based on the write up above, apparently. haha...its all legit criticism though. I just know the dude knows how to find the ball. But thats likely not enough for the next level
Truth be told, for SU guys, I really like Trill Williams as a late round dice roll. I think he has the potential to be an NFL contributor
Those days pre-date this century, sadly.Remember the days when SU was sending big-time players to the NFL year-in and year-out?
Yeah, that was awesome.
OK now there is a name we can agree on. Sorry... I really do not enjoy shitting on guys. Cisco just happened to be one of my pet peeve types.Based on the write up above, apparently. haha...its all legit criticism though. I just know the dude knows how to find the ball. But thats likely not enough for the next level
Truth be told, for SU guys, I really like Trill Williams as a late round dice roll. I think he has the potential to be an NFL contributor
I did not intend to reference Jones with my comment and I apologize if I gave that impression.Mac Jones isn't an undersized QB.
Yes, this belongs in the ""I walked 5 miles to school uphill both ways": (True) stories you tell your kids about your youth" thread in V&N.Those days pre-date this century, sadly.
Totally agree.They can't be making nine more picks, so would Round 2 be the place to package and move up
They do need a KR - doesn’t Tre Brown do that?What do we think about some of the day 3 corner projects like Zach McPherson and Tre Brown? I’m kind of hoping they find a project or two they like in the later rounds and fill other needs with day 2.
I was kinda eyeing the Seahawks pick at 56(?). They have so few picks they might be amenable to a #96 + multiple 4ths package if the Pats want to double dip in the 2nd. Seattle might not want to move back that far though.They can't be making nine more picks, so would Round 2 be the place to package and move up
My two favorite day 3 guys? Picked them both for the predict the next Pats contest. I love Tre Brown. Scrappy and probably plays inside and out. Great special teamer. Has some Malcolm Butler to him. Zech is getting better as he gets more play time but looks to be a versatile guy who can play any scheme and cover anyone. Good to great athlete too. Zech needs to improve in areas where reps are the only medicine like when his back is turned to the QB and anticipating routes and route breaks. He is a bully at the catch point and fierce in run support. Same with Tre Brown. Tre Brown is pound for pound such a little beast. He tackles bigger guys like HE is the one 20 pounds heavier. It is really something. Anyway... hat tip to you. Love these two fits.What do we think about some of the day 3 corner projects like Zach McPherson and Tre Brown? I’m kind of hoping they find a project or two they like in the later rounds and fill other needs with day 2.
I'm ready to be crushed when they don't get Elijah MooreTotally agree.
Does Brown return kicks or am I misremembering?My two favorite day 3 guys? Picked them both for the predict the next Pats contest. I love Tre Brown. Scrappy and probably plays inside and out. Great special teamer. Has some Malcolm Butler to him. Zech is getting better as he gets more play time but looks to be a versatile guy who can play any scheme and cover anyone. Good to great athlete too. Zech needs to improve in areas where reps are the only medicine like when his back is turned to the QB and anticipating routes and route breaks. He is a bully at the catch point and fierce in run support. Same with Tre Brown. Tre Brown is pound for pound such a little beast. He tackles bigger guys like HE is the one 20 pounds heavier. It is really something. Anyway... hat tip to you. Love these two fits.
Campbell at 46 would be a no-brainer for me. He still hasn't put it all together (and perhaps never well) and he can look a little stiff at times and he doesn't make as many plays as his talent suggests, but man...there's a lot of talent there.None of these day 2 corners really gets me excited at 46. Value doesn't match up. MAYBE a versatile guy like Aaron Robinson or a safety who can possibly play corner like Richie Grant or Javon Holland. Those 2-3 guys could be intriguing there.
I think we’ve all had enough second round DB busts to last a lifetime. They’ve shown an amazing ability to identify and develop unknown DBs as free agents, so no need to reach for another Dawson, Jones, or Richards. Slot Receiver would be awfully nice in round 2.What do we think about some of the day 3 corner projects like Zach McPherson and Tre Brown? I’m kind of hoping they find a project or two they like in the later rounds and fill other needs with day 2.
He was their main kick returner in 2018 and 2019 and at least some of the time in 2020. He could return punts too if they wanted him to.Does Brown return kicks or am I misremembering?
So he could fit multiple needs.He was their main kick returner in 2018 and 2019 and at least some of the time in 2020. He could return punts too if they wanted him to.
I think NE would have to trade up to get him, which, of course, is exactly what I want them to do. Which means they won't. So...yeah.I'm ready to be crushed when they don't get Elijah Moore
Campbell at 46 would be a no-brainer for me. He still hasn't put it all together (and perhaps never well) and he can look a little stiff at times and he doesn't make as many plays as his talent suggests, but man...there's a lot of talent there.
This presumes the Bears knew that the Patriots would take Jones over Fields. They probably decided it wasn't worth that riskApropos of nothing ,really, but seems the Bears overplayed their hand in getting to 10 to draft Fields, no? It seems likely that if the Bears didn't move up, Fields/Jones both make it to the Pats. Assuming the Pats preferred Jones to Fields (admittedly easy to say in hindsight), then the Bears really only needed to jump past WFT at 19 to get their guy. I guess you never know, some other team could've swooped in, but it seems the Bears probably could've saved their 2022 first round pick if they had been a tad more patient.
Still, I'm going to need a reality show of Etienne, Lawrence, & Lawrence's new wife sharing a 2-bed, 1-bath condo next to the stadium to see what their relationship is really like.Just to put a bow on the question of whether Lawrence and Etienne like each other nonsense:
"I did have it in the back of my mind that I might have a chance to reunite with Trev,” Etienne said, via the team’s website. “For it to come full circle, I’m just happy, excited and blessed. Being his teammate for three years, we’ve really built that camaraderie."
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/04/30/travis-etienne-was-secretly-rooting-for-jaguars-to-take-him/
GM and Coach are on a one-year leash and pinning their future on Fields being the long-term answer at QB. If the Bears make the playoffs under Dalton or Fields becomes the starter and shows very well, then Pace and Nagy can deal with the missing pick next year. If it all goes sideways? Well, that's someone else's problem.Apropos of nothing ,really, but seems the Bears overplayed their hand in getting to 10 to draft Fields, no? It seems likely that if the Bears didn't move up, Fields/Jones both make it to the Pats. Assuming the Pats preferred Jones to Fields (admittedly easy to say in hindsight), then the Bears really only needed to jump past WFT at 19 to get their guy. I guess you never know, some other team could've swooped in, but it seems the Bears probably could've saved their 2022 first round pick if they had been a tad more patient.
Also presumes a team (WFT, NO, PIT?) wouldn't jump into the 11-14 range to get FieldsThis presumes the Bears knew that the Patriots would take Jones over Fields. They probably decided it wasn't worth that risk
You never know what would have happened but at least they did it to draft a QB. I think the teams that really overplayed their hands were those that moved up in the 1st round to draft non-QBs. That is a strategy with a terrible track record historically and you can sort of see why when looking at how things shook out this year.Apropos of nothing ,really, but seems the Bears overplayed their hand in getting to 10 to draft Fields, no? It seems likely that if the Bears didn't move up, Fields/Jones both make it to the Pats. Assuming the Pats preferred Jones to Fields (admittedly easy to say in hindsight), then the Bears really only needed to jump past WFT at 19 to get their guy. I guess you never know, some other team could've swooped in, but it seems the Bears probably could've saved their 2022 first round pick if they had been a tad more patient.
Dallas likely.. their cap situation next year is not great, I don;t think they want to pay JCJ, be better off taking one of the draft corners in the 2nd or 3rd.Trade idea: offer Dallas JCJ + 122 for 44. Per the Rich Hill chart that values JCJ at around 51/52 (44 = 135, 122 = 24, 51 = 112, 52 = 109).
Who says no?