NFL draft day 2 game thread (NO SPOILERS!!!!!!)

[Mugsy's Jock]

What's the downside in drafting Collins and then just not having any negotiations with him until and unless he is totally cleared?
 
If he's proven clean, then you've got the "we believe in American justice, and with his having been cleared he's as entitled to earn a living as any one else" line.  I'd love to see Ray Lewis knock that.
 
If he's proven somehow connected or culpable, just eat the pick and move on.  The (perfectly good) explanation is "We take this seriously, so seriously we are willing to throw away a super-valuable fourth-round draft pick because we were never going to touch this kid if it were proven he was involved with this tragedy.  We never paid Collins a nickel, and never will."
 
Edit:  Grammar

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

What's the downside in drafting Collins and then just not having any negotiations with him until and unless he is totally cleared?
 
If he's proven clean, then you've got the "we believe in American justice, and with his having been cleared he's as entitled to earn a living as any one else" line.  I'd love to see Ray Lewis knock that.
 
If he's proven somehow connected or culpable, just eat the pick and move on.  The (perfectly good) explanation is "We take this seriously, so seriously we are willing to throw away a super-valuable fourth-round draft pick because we were never going to touch this kid if it were proven he was involved with this tragedy.  We never paid Collins a nickel, and never will."
 
Edit:  Grammar

 
It all makes sense unless you're a team that recently employed TE who likely committed at least three murders while cashing your paychecks.
 
Collins will be a good gamble for 31 other teams at some point on Day 3 but the Weedz situation makes this a total non-starter for the Patriots. I don't know why this is so difficult to understand. 

 

[Joshv02]

What's the downside in drafting Collins and then just not having any negotiations with him until and unless he is totally cleared?

Under the new-ish CBA, you have thirty-days to tender a four-year contract to everyone you draft, unless you waive them.  So, you'd be able to hold off up to 30 days, after which you'd need to tender or release the player.  You can then withdraw the tender, but the player can also sign, at any time (with some time caps far in the future, the details of which aren't that interesting).

 

[pappymojo]

Based on the rumor that they were willing to trade down from 32 to 51, I wonder if there was someone in that range they want and if they would now be looking to trade up from 64 (not that the Texans are specifically looking to trade down). 

 

[ZMart100]

Based on the rumor that they were willing to trade down from 32 to 51, I wonder if there was someone in that range they want and if they would now be looking to trade up from 64 (not that the Texans are specifically looking to trade down). 

I'm not sure I would read anything into it other than it was the best offer on the table. They may have moved up some from 51.

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

 

[ShaneTrot]

Seen a few mentions of Abdullah, from Nebraska.
 
I definitely enjoyed watching him, but I would assume BB thinks RBs are way too fungible.

They took Vereen in the 2nd round in 2011. If the Pats think he is the best value, I could see them taking the kid.

 

[DJnVa]

They took Vereen in the 2nd round in 2011. If the Pats think he is the best value, I could see them taking the kid.

 
But they took a kid last year, who didn't get on the field in James White, not to mention Gray, Bolden and Blount. They also traded for Cadet, and have and have Gaffney as well.
 

 

[DJnVa]

Oh, and another reason we may not want Collins:
 

 

[Super Nomario]

 
But they took a kid last year, who didn't get on the field in James White, not to mention Gray, Bolden and Blount. They also traded for Cadet, and have and have Gaffney as well.
 

Gray and Blount are FAs after the year, and none of the others have done anything in the NFL. The group is OK for 2015, but it starts looking weak 2016-on.
 
I don't think Abdullah will be the guy, though: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/25092869/nfl-draft-fumble-rate-among-rb-prospects
 

 
Below is the career fumble rate (and hand size in inches) for running back prospects in the 2015 NFL Draft class:
35.4 -- Ameer Abdullah, Nebraska (8 5/8)
52.2 -- Kenny Hilliard, LSU (9 1/4)
54.4 -- Melvin Gordon, Wisconsin (9 3/4)
62.2 -- T.J. Yeldon, Alabama (9)
62.6 -- Jay Ajayi, Boise State (10)
63.2 -- Matt Jones, Florida (8 5/8)
72.3 -- Tevin Coleman, Indiana (8 5/8)
74.5 -- David Cobb, Minnesota (9 3/8)
77.5 -- David Johnson, Northern Iowa (9 5/8)
80.0 -- Javorius Allen, USC (9 3/8)
85.0 -- Duke Johnson, Miami (Fla.) (9 1/4)
87.3 -- Mike Davis, South Carolina (9 3/8)
91.5 -- Josh Robinson, Mississippi State (10 1/8)
92.7 -- Karlos Williams, Florida State (9 3/4)
123.2 -- Jeremy Langford, Michigan State (8 3/4)
125.0 -- Terrence Magee, LSU (9)
134.4 -- Zach Zenner, South Dakota State (9 5/8)
136.0 -- Cameron Artis-Payne, Auburn (8 7/8)
156.3 -- Dominique Brown, Louisville (9 1/2)
191.7 -- Todd Gurley, Georgia (10)
619.0 -- Malcolm Brown, Texas (10 1/4)

 

[tims4wins]

Gray and Blount are FAs after the year, and none of the others have done anything in the NFL. The group is OK for 2015, but it starts looking weak 2016-on.
 
I don't think Abdullah will be the guy, though: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/25092869/nfl-draft-fumble-rate-among-rb-prospects
 

 
Good stuff. I just looked up Vereen's hand size was listed at 9" in 2011. Maybe Duke Johnson fits the bill...

 

[Joshv02]

Oh, and another reason we may not want Collins:
 
 

That sign is from 2012.

 

[RedOctober3829]

LOL at Tharold Simon on that list.

 

[bakahump]

Gray and Blount are FAs after the year, and none of the others have done anything in the NFL. The group is OK for 2015, but it starts looking weak 2016-on.
 
I don't think Abdullah will be the guy, though: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/25092869/nfl-draft-fumble-rate-among-rb-prospects
 

So we screwed up the Draft card...
 
Malcom
Malcolm

 

[DJnVa]

I knew it wasn't from this season, but it's still not a good look.

 

[dcmissle]

Oh, and another reason we may not want Collins:
 

lol ... the Mad Hatter

 

[singaporesoxfan]

So we screwed up the Draft card...
 
Malcom
Malcolm

I would love to get Malcolm Brown from Texas as a late round RB.

 

[( . ) ( . ) and (_!_)]

No doubt in my mind they draft Malcolm brown now out of Texas.

Bill is going to troll us some day and have Malcom play offense but line up as an eligible receiver while Malcolm declares himself ineligible It's goin to make harbaugh cry.

 

[E5 Yaz]

If Don Banks proves correct, it will be the biggest Binkie Heaven Day around here since Nate Ebner:
 
http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/05/01/2015-nfl-mock-draft-round-2

 

[bakahump]

Uniforms would be funny
 
#90
Malcom Brown
 
#34
Malcol. Brown
 
 
The Universe would implode if there was a Malco(l)m Brown draftable from Rutgers

 

[DanoooME]

3 hours to go?  The day is dragging...

 

[NortheasternPJ]

3 hours to go?  The day is dragging...

Spoilers thread is already on pick 42.

 

[DanoooME]

Spoilers thread is already on pick 42.

 
They are probably done by now.  LET THE DRAFT END BEGIN!!

 

[Greg29fan]

Trade between NYG and Tennessee right off the bat

 

[DanoooME]

Didn't waste any time with a trade...

 

[ElcaballitoMVP]

Giants trade up for the first pick of the 2nd round

 

[Greg29fan]

4th and a 7th to move up

 

[pdaj]

Tenn needs a lot of talent; might as well add a pick or two.

 

[RedOctober3829]

**TRADE ALERT** NYG Gets: #33 overall (2nd round) TEN Gets: #40 overall (2nd round) #108 overall (4th round) #245 overall (7th round)

 

[E5 Yaz]

Seems very un-Giants-like

 

[ElcaballitoMVP]

The move was to go up 7 spots from #40. Not a bad deal for TEN, who can use that 4th to add some much needed depth. 

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

**TRADE ALERT** NYG Gets: #33 overall (2nd round) TEN Gets: #40 overall (2nd round) #108 overall (4th round) #245 overall (7th round)

 
If this package gets NYG from 40 to 33, our slightly higher 4th should be able to get us from 64 to the low-mid 50s if the right player is there.

 

[DanoooME]

Fucking Goodell needs to walk faster.

 

[RedOctober3829]

The pick is Landon Collins.

 

[pdaj]

The pick is Landon Collins.

 
Had a feeling. Helluva player.

 

[E5 Yaz]

The pick is Landon Collins.

 
Is this a dreaded spoiler?????

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

Not a fan of the Giants draft.

 

[ElcaballitoMVP]

Send a former safety up there to draft a new one? I'm sensing a trend! 

 

[E5 Yaz]

Send a former safety up there to draft a new one? I'm sensing a trend! 

 
Wait until Lonnie Paxton announces the Patriots second pick

 

[RedOctober3829]

 
Wait until Lonnie Paxton announces the Patriots second pick

Remote from Louisville with Brady?

 

[ElcaballitoMVP]

Mike Alstott announced the pick?  Thought for sure they'd take Joe Cardona from Navy.

 

[Greg29fan]

Most of the guys announcing these picks have or probably will sue the NFL at some point

 

[RedOctober3829]

Around The NFL ‏@AroundTheNFL  11s11 seconds ago
With the 34th overall pick, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select offensive tackle Donovan Smith.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Remote from Louisville with Brady?

 
Y'know, sometimes when I see a pic like that of Brady and the Boys, I think of that clip of his scouting combine physical and think "THAT guys lives THIS life?"

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

Gregory would be a pretty nice grab here for the Raiders.

 

[ElcaballitoMVP]

I like Donovan Smith, but I thought he'd be around in rounds 3/4. 

 

[E5 Yaz]

I like Donovan Smith, but I thought he'd be around in rounds 3/4. 

 
BTW, congrats on having the right intel last night, ElCab

 

[ElcaballitoMVP]

 
BTW, congrats on having the right intel last night, ElCab

 
Thanks man. I always get nervous posting stuff and not having it pan out. Especially with the draft. My buddy typically gets his info early and then anything can happen. Haven't heard anything yet about today's targets but I'm trying to find out. 

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

 
Thanks man. I always get nervous posting stuff and not having it pan out. Especially with the draft. My buddy typically gets his info early and then anything can happen. Haven't heard anything yet about today's targets but I'm trying to find out. 

 
At some point you mentioned that there were two targets and one was left (Brown).  Out of curiosity, who was the other? Thanks!

 

[ElcaballitoMVP]

Kevin Johnson from Wake