NFL draft day 2 game thread (NO SPOILERS!!!!!!)
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Patriots will draft someone tomorrow.
Ha! Got that spoiler in before the thread title was changed. It felt good. It felt good.
Ha! Got that spoiler in before the thread title was changed. It felt good. It felt good.
Who is the biggest surprise dropping out of the first round?
Gotta be Landon Collins, right? No injury or off field red flags, was considered the top safety for most of the draft build up and the safety position is not super deep in the NFL.
Gotta be Landon Collins, right? No injury or off field red flags, was considered the top safety for most of the draft build up and the safety position is not super deep in the NFL.
I wasn't surprised. Teams want coverage safeties these days and he's almost like a linebacker. The early mocks had him high but as the draftniks have gotten more info he's slipped. I thought he'd be a good fit for Indy at 29.( . ) ( . ) and (_!_) said:
What do you think about the Dorsett pick? Matt Williamson suggested he might be Hilton plan b.Super Nomario said:
Hey, it's a post-first round Day 2 Mock!
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/25169755/nfl-draft-titans-address-wr-in-second-round-mock-draft
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/25169755/nfl-draft-titans-address-wr-in-second-round-mock-draft
He of the less than 4 YPC? I understand that the STL line wasn't very good but he was absolutely atrocious last year.JBJ_HOF said:
But he is a player on another team that might be available and that people have heard about! By the laws of talking about football on the internet we have to talk about him becoming a patriot. He is name that people recognize goddamn it!JohnnyK said:
What I love about Colts fans is how obssessed they are about the Patriots. Everything their team does is judged by how it would help them beat us. Must be tough being the little brother for 15 years.
I think the premise is that they may not be able to afford Hilton after extending Luck. That seems nutty to me, especially given the amount of money they've been spending in old farts in free agency.Super Nomario said:
MarcSullivaFan said:
They have Moncrief, Johnson, Fleener, Allen, Duron Carter, even without Hilton. Why are the Colts drafting 5'9 speedy WR insurance in the first round? There aren't enough balls to go around, at least one of those guys will be wasted in that offense. Better hope they luck into a flu-ridden team in the AFCCG and a Grossman caliber QB in the SB eventually, because this is the Manning strategy on steroids, and that didn't put many rings on Irsay's fingers.
Super Nomario said:
Allen, Fleener and Hilton are all free agents after this season, and they probably want to resign as well.
Would love to see the Pats grab La'el Collins while his stock is low. From what I've read, he's a pretty clean cut kid and not considered a suspect. I know nothing else about him, but he'd be a steal at 64 based on talent alone.
They should pass on #96, jump in using #97 and then go back to #96, just to screw around with the league.RGREELEY33 said:
Thanks, but just keeping this thread clean is all I ask. I'm happy to blind myself in this man cave with the other unwashed and unenlightened.BigJimEd said:
As inconsiderate as it was at the time, it was funny in retrospect seeing the twitterverse light itself on fire in CNN/Reddit fashion over the trade that never was.
How do you even begin to wrap your arms around this to the point of getting comfortable. If you are right, he's a great value. If you're wrong, he or somebody at his request blew away a pregnant ex-girlfriend when she answered the door at her apartment. That's Carruth territory. What if he's a charmer like someone else the team thought it knew?Yaz4Ever said:
dcmissle said:
If the cost is only a 4th round pick or later and the potential for some bad PR, then I'd be totally on board. If he gets arrested, you cut him and move on. The cost of cutting a guy drafted that low in the draft is not significant, the upside is obvious. I just want to watch the Patriots win football games, this guy can help that happen and if he is a monster they can remove him from the team and move on.
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In a vacuum it is hard to disagree with this, but given that the exact same thing happened with a 2010 4th rounder, I don't think the Pats can afford that risk - they don't want to be a team that takes murderers.
I don't think Kraft allows the team to go anywhere near Collins until this gets cleared up. I don't think anyone takes him today. Fourth round or later, as T&A said, would be the earliest I use a pick on him.
Hope they address interior OL and CB with today's picks. AJ Cann, Ali Marpet, Tre Jackson, and Arie Kouandijo are all targets today for OG. Ronald Darby, PJ Williams, Steve Nelson, Josh Shaw, and Senquez Golson should be looked at. A sleeper could be Ifo Ekpe-Olomu.
dcmissle said:
Then he's still a better pick than Tavon Wilson.
I'd get it if they had no interest, but I'd be doing research.
I wouldn't blame a single team for taking Collins right now from a morality standpoint. It's obviously a risky pick, since he may never play, but I wouldn't worry about PR or whatever. If he gets implicated, you cut him. If he's innocent, you get a huge steal. If someone has inside knowledge this guy was involved, sure. If they have the same information we all do, what's wrong with the pick? What's the harm to the name of the team if it ends up he is involved and get cut immediately after it's known?
You have absolutely no idea if he did anything wrong. What if he's innocent?
You have absolutely no idea if he did anything wrong. What if he's innocent?
At this point, he is not a huge steal. He had a first round grade. We're at the beginning of the second.
If you look at this without any regard for a possible PR hit, you have to discount his value very significantly because of the risk. I don't think we're in steal territory until late tonight, early tomorrow.
If you look at this without any regard for a possible PR hit, you have to discount his value very significantly because of the risk. I don't think we're in steal territory until late tonight, early tomorrow.
rodderick said:
Because they are going to have a 90/10 ratio throwing to running. And by the playoffs, Andrew Luck will be getting TJ surgery.
Ed Hillel said:
In the media, it's guilty until proven innocent.
dcmissle said:
That's a fair interpretation, but I really just meant in general. I wouldn't risk anything below a 5th rounder for the guy, but my main point is that I just wouldn't want the Patriots to rule him out because of what happened. We don't have any facts, and I wouldn't view it as a negative against any team that took a chance and drafted a player of that caliber. For all we know, the guy is a victim himself.
The Pats aren't taking Collins no matter how far he drops. Kraft has said more than once that the Patriots are effectively Caesar's wife. With all the ridiculous media swirl around this team (the AH convivtion & ballghazi just being the latest), he does not want to take the reputation risks that other teams are OK with.
It all depends on the team's grades on individual players but everything is in place for BB to get aggressive and move up today if a guy they really like is available in the 50s. Judging by past trades in the second round, that high 4th should be enough to jump 7-10 spots if the right trade partner is out there. Given that we have a couple areas of significant need, extra picks, and a fairly large roster, it seems like a logical scenario.
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Convenient to kick a player when he is down, but I suspect you will be suckling at Bill's teat about how smart it was shortly. He was really good and dependable in 2013 trying to run behind a mess, with good ball security and pass catching ability. Last year the line got even worse and STL tried to divide up the carries between three backs, then Stacy hurt his calf and never recovered. He's much better than David Cobb or whatever mid-round rated RB this board currently has a chub for.
That's what I'm hoping for, and that's another reason to remain circumspect in here this evening. It may not be likely, but it's certainly possible. They don't play the hand they are dealt unless there is no other choice; they hunt guys.Morgan's Magic Snowplow said: