Ed Hillel said:Scott, WTF are you doing?
Ed Hillel said:The limp's gone.
Dude. Shut up. LeBron is a terrific player, top 10 all time easy, you could talk me into top 5, but he isn't the greatest ever.luckiestman said:Lebron is probably the best ever ( I never saw Russell) , but he is such a fucking ham that he will never get the respect
riboflav said:
Sound is on mute. Please transcribe.
Ed Hillel said:
"I'm a leader, even though I have like a bajillion injuries I had to will myself beyond what I thought my body could give."
Something like that.
Kliq said:Dude. Shut up.
Ed Hillel said:
"I'm a leader, even though I have like a bajillion injuries I had to will myself beyond what I thought my body could give."
Something like that.
Ed Hillel said:I just saw the Horford play...he got a flagrant 2 for that? That's rough.
luckiestman said:
No. If I shut up, there will only be Curry-ettes posting in here.
And about half the hawks team is either playing injured or already out with injury, they must not have the will or desire thoughEd Hillel said:
"I'm a leader, even though I have like a bajillion injuries I had to will myself beyond what I thought my body could give."
Something like that.
Totally agree. In my lifetime there's been about fourteen players who I've heard described by multiple people as "the greatest ever."* The greatest ever is the next guy I guess.Kliq said:Dude. Shut up. LeBron is a terrific player, top 10 all time easy, you could talk me into top 5, but he isn't the greatest ever.
How many of LeBrons teammates are out with injury?scottyno said:And about half the hawks team is either playing injured or already out with injury, they must not have the will or desire though
snowmanny said:Totally agree. In my lifetime there's been about fourteen players who I've heard described by multiple people as "the greatest ever."* The greatest ever is the next guy I guess.
Russell, Chamberlain, Robertson, Abdul-Jabbar, Erving, Malone, Bird, Magic, Jordan, Olajuwon,** Walton,*** Shaq, Kobe, James...probably missing a couple.
**Olajuwon, like Malone, only enjoyed a relatively brief moment in time that people said this stuff. But I certainly heard people say that while Jordan was on vacation.
***Walton was the best all-around player ever in lots of people's eyes from college to 1977.
LeBron carrying this Cavs team to The Finals reminds me of the Iverson/Larry Brown Sixers that had McKie, Snow, Mutombo, Tyrone Hill, Jumaine Jones. He is 30 now with a ton of miles on him and coasted much of the regular season as older players must do......but come playoff time he's still the games best all-around player. Sign my name to your last paragraph word for word.DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
Regarding LeBron, its pretty amazing what he is doing with this Cleveland roster. They are talented but if you ask where this team is with the same cast and no LeBron, I tell you they are likely sitting home after a second round exit. The Smith, Shumpert and Mozgov trade made this team a lot deeper and Irving and Love as the stars are enough to make it to the dance. But there is no way this team gets past Chicago without James and no way that a LeBron-less Cavs team beats Atlanta.
As for the hate, I really don't get it. He is the best basketball player in the NBA and his whining and flopping is no different than most other stars in the league. I honestly think that we get these complaints because the playoffs roll around and casual fans start watching teams play for the first time all year. Working the refs has been part of the game for years but guys like LeBron, Harden and CP3 take it to the next level because it gets results. It may not be pleasant to watch but if it works, you cant really fault them for that.
DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:First of all, let's cool it on posters telling other posters to "shut up". You can disagree with someone but let's try to be respectful. And while I guess I am a "Curry-ette" whatever that means - and I am ok with it regardless - I think we need more posters with different perspectives in this forum and in these threads. So please keep posting, even if you think LeBron sucks or is the best ever. And ditto if you think Golden State is a crime against all that is good in baskeball.
Regarding LeBron, its pretty amazing what he is doing with this Cleveland roster. They are talented but if you ask where this team is with the same cast and no LeBron, I tell you they are likely sitting home after a second round exit. The Smith, Shumpert and Mozgov trade made this team a lot deeper and Irving and Love as the stars are enough to make it to the dance. But there is no way this team gets past Chicago without James and no way that a LeBron-less Cavs team beats Atlanta.
As for the hate, I really don't get it. He is the best basketball player in the NBA and his whining and flopping is no different than most other stars in the league. I honestly think that we get these complaints because the playoffs roll around and casual fans start watching teams play for the first time all year. Working the refs has been part of the game for years but guys like LeBron, Harden and CP3 take it to the next level because it gets results. It may not be pleasant to watch but if it works, you cant really fault them for that.
What turns me off about Lebron as a persona not as a player is that he always seems like he is acting out something he read in a self help book. His act seems very forced to me. But as a ballplayer, shit, I think anyone not giving him consideration as the best is heavy on nostalgia or letting personality get in the way. I saw Jordan and remember him well, mentally he is more than LBJ but that's it. I saw magic and larry but don't remember pre 86 well enough to compare.DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:Fair enough - I won't use the term "LeBron hater".
However I disagree that he whines more than most - CP3 and the Clippers including Doc (whom I will always love) work the officials constantly and there are a bunch of other NBA players including guys I love such as Draymond Green and Andre Iguodala who are constantly pleading their cases. Kobe is always on them as is Wade. Its a skill set in today's NBA along with passing, playing good defense and shooting from deep. If LeBron gets results from working the refs because he is the best player in the NBA, so be it. The guy has earned it and even if he beat my team on his way (I paid a hefty sum to be at game six of the 2012 ECF at the Fleet Center).
luckiestman said:What turns me off about Lebron as a persona not as a player is that he always seems like he is acting out something he read in a self help book. His act seems very forced to me. But as a ballplayer, shit, I think anyone not giving him consideration as the best is heavy on nostalgia or letting personality get in the way. I saw Jordan and remember him well, mentally he is more than LBJ but that's it. I saw magic and larry but don't remember pre 86 well enough to compare.
Lebron crying on the court doesn't bother me too much. I rooted for McHale and I swear that guy thinks he never committed a foul... Well, maybe he'd fess up to one famous one. Jordan worked the hell out of the officials too plus Stern wanted him to win.
As for curry-ettes, I'm just talking shit, it is not ill will. I'm not really an nba fan, I'm a celtics fan. I can't enjoy your happiness so I'm just lashing out.