NBA offseason thread
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I find it amazing that they can keep him in the house without an agent until signed. We even know what he wanted to do?
Is this guy such a baby he can't be trusted to say no to people? Barricade the house. Insane. This isn't an attack it's people wanting you join them. Just say no and move on. Hiding? Really?
Is this guy such a baby he can't be trusted to say no to people? Barricade the house. Insane. This isn't an attack it's people wanting you join them. Just say no and move on. Hiding? Really?
Unless they use injuries to just sit Dirk and Matthews for most of the year, they're going to be too good to tank that hard. They're still a clear cut above the likes of Philly, NYK, ORL, MIN, LAL, Sacto, the Hornets and the Nuggets. It will be close but they won 50 last year without DeAndre. Yes, they lost Chandler/Ellis but they add Matthews and don't have Rondo to destroy their chemistry anymore. I think the Mavs are too loyal to Dirk to pivot so hard to tank mode.
If they do want to tank, I'm happy to swap them back that 1st round pick plus David Lee and take back Chandler Parsons!
If they do want to tank, I'm happy to swap them back that 1st round pick plus David Lee and take back Chandler Parsons!
Ed Hillel said:
And the 7th worst team would still have a 25% chance of a pick outside the top 7, so realistically they'd want to be in the bottom 6. Minor detail, but its something to keep in mind if they're seriously considering a hard tank that could alienate the face of their franchise, Parsons, and many fans.
Yes. And I love the barricading of the house aspect. And his Mommy ordering everyone food at some point during the night. And the paper clip DAJ on lockdown tweet is great. Honorable mention to Chandler Parsons pump fake tweet. This shit is beyond entertaining.* The only way it could have been better is if Prince had flown in to make everyone pancakes immediately after DAJ signed his contract.LondonSox said:
And, yes, Jordan is hugely important to the Clippers.
*No, I would not be saying this if I was a Mavs fan.
https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/status/619139429077135360
https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/status/619139429077135360
link to tweet
It just gets better and better -
Chris Broussard @Chris_Broussard 11h hours ago
CORRECTION: Sources: Cuban beside himself. Driving around downtown HOUSTON begging (thru texts) Jordan's family 4 address to DeAndre's home
Mark Cuban @mcuban
@Chris_Broussard that's is the dumbest shit Ive ever heard. If you had any ethics u would msg me and I will give u his address
https://twitter.com/mcuban/status/619143560357502976
Chris Broussard @Chris_Broussard 11h hours ago
CORRECTION: Sources: Cuban beside himself. Driving around downtown HOUSTON begging (thru texts) Jordan's family 4 address to DeAndre's home
Mark Cuban @mcuban
@Chris_Broussard that's is the dumbest shit Ive ever heard. If you had any ethics u would msg me and I will give u his address
https://twitter.com/mcuban/status/619143560357502976
FWIW, I don't think anyone acted inappropriately here. There are two types of contracts: signed and unsigned. I hate when sales people say a deal is "close" or "done" and people celebrate before we have a contract in hand.
That may be true in sales, but in some industries, including the NBA, unsigned contracts, while not binding, are considered "done" and going back of them is a major breach industry custom and practice. The key sign that something screwy happened here is that other moves happened as result of the original Jordan to Mavs agreement. The Mavericks would probably have been in on Roy Hibbert but for this Jordan move for instance, and JaVale McGee would probably not be a Clipper.TheRooster said:
I don't know if that qualifies as "inappropriate", but this isn't an industry where people normally need to have a contract in hand. Comparing it to sales doesn't cut it.
https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard/status/619157407231549440
https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard/status/619158026218512385
https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard/status/619158026218512385
This is your opinion only---many who have followed the league closely have noted otherwise. It has happened twice in NFL in last two years alone.bowiac said:
The comparison to sales is what most practicing lawyers I know are saying about this---both transactional guys and litigators.
In all industries people make decisions based on things that might change---it simply isn't true this is unique in that regard
The key difference is that most other industries don't have collectively imposed contract signing moratoriums, so "unsigned" or "close" means "still have kinks to work out that may or may not work out or else it would be signed already."TheRooster said:
In the NBA, a verbal agreement after July 1 is generally taken to mean "if there wasn't a rule in place prohibiting it my name would be on a binding contract right now," which is a fairly different situation.
Obviously the deals can be reneged on, but I would guess the "renege rate" is significantly lower than that of other industries, which I think is what bowiac is getting at.
Broussard should be canned. The idea that Cuban did not know or could not get his address is ridiculous. Property tax and transfer records are public. Westlaw/Lexis people finder can track him down in five minutes, especially given how unique his name is. Do you know anyone named Hyland?PaulinMyrBch said:
lovegtm said:
Not sure about that being the case---in many industries, the relationships are very long-term and thus reneging a verbal 'yes' has huge relationship implications. I think there's a desire to overstate how 'rare' this kind of thing is in sports---which doesn't make it common (it certainly is not) but also should be viewed in light of what happens, not people's made-up pictures of what happens in the real world
Please cut Broussard some slack. Dude broke the Sonny Weems deal. That's lifetime pass territory.
soxhop411 said:
That's awesome. I love that he's just calling out an ESPN reporter for being full of it. If only Bob Kraft knew how to use Twitter...
100% agree with you on the fact that verbal agreements are hugely important in other fields.PedroKsBambino said:
I was simply noting that the NBA puts a purely formal barrier in place to signing that doesn't exist in most other industries, which makes the parallels a bit less cut-and-dried.
bowiac said:
You keep saying this, but I can't think of a single corporate entity that would take anything so impacting of their future business and assume a handshake agreement is considered "done".
More to the point, this is an employment contract. Almost every company in America makes people sign these. I had a handshake agreement in place with my new employer a month ago, but you better believe I was stressed waiting for the paperwork to arrive so I can sign it and send it back to finalize the contract. I've known quite a few people who have received counter offers from current employers and reneged on handshake agreements (and employers who have done the same to employees). This just isn't any different.
Just as an example, reinsurance agreements are often negotiated on the basis of handshake agreements, where you setup a program and proceed to act on it (and retrocede it) without it being signed, or even all the terms being fully agreed on until months or sometimes years later. These agreements provide tens of millions of dollars of cover in many cases. The reason the industry can function this way is because there's not that many players, and they all do a lot of repeat business with each other, so the advantage of reneging on a single deal just isn't worth it. The reputational harm would be potentially devastating. The small number of repeat players is one thing the NBA has in common.Kenny F'ing Powers said:
Unless your friends are professional athletes, then yes, it is different. Different industries function in different ways, and professional sports leagues operate in especially bizarre frameworks oftentimes.
Regarding NBA & handshakes, anyone remember this?
http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/news/gund_boozer_040714.html
I wasn't able to find who his agent was at the time, but would be interesting to see whether it hurt the agent's business.
http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/news/gund_boozer_040714.html
I wasn't able to find who his agent was at the time, but would be interesting to see whether it hurt the agent's business.
Rob Pelinka. He got fired from his agency, but Kobe went with him to his new agency so he ended up fine long term.ALiveH said:
ALiveH said:
His agent is/was Robert Pelinka, who Forbes rates as the 9th most powerful agent in sports. Here's his client list: http://basketball.realgm.com/info/agent_clients/Rob-Pelinka/28
I would say, no, it didn't hurt his business and it won't hurt Fegan's either.
No. Fegan didn't.nighthob said:
Nobody on any side is going to take anything from this except that Jordan is what people thought he was.
Chris Broussard @Chris_Broussard 5h5 hours ago
@mcuban you didn't fly to Houston to text all night, did you?
Mark CubanVerified account@mcuban
@Chris_Broussard how about this. You post any proof I was calling/texting his friends asking anything I give 100k to charity of yr choice.
@mcuban you didn't fly to Houston to text all night, did you?
Mark CubanVerified account@mcuban
@Chris_Broussard how about this. You post any proof I was calling/texting his friends asking anything I give 100k to charity of yr choice.
nighthob said:
How exactly did Fegan screw Cuban? He is an intermediary that negotiated a verbal, non-binding agreement. His job is to get his client what they want. DJ ultimately wanted to go back to LAC - for whatever reason. And he got more money (let's not have the income tax debate again, please?) is in a better situation and on a better team.
All the rumors and innuendo about him trying to "steer" DJ to Dallas to make up for another player not signing there is exactly that. Rumors. If those are true, that he really exacted undue influence on him and DJ shares it with other players, then yes, maybe he loses business over it. Otherwise as long as he gets clients to sign with him, owners will still sign those players.
This is kind of a pet peeve of mine, it just usually comes up when discussing Scott Boras. Agents are not puppet masters. Especially in the NBA where premier guys have slotted salaries and small rosters, they are little more than a CPA/lawyer. I assure you that when Fegan takes Boogie cousins or John Wall to FA, he will still get his max level contract offers, even if Mark Cuban doesn't bid.
I like how Cuban uses his CyberDust app to communicate with fans, and it gets screenshotted/shared everywhere. Dust on!
tmracht said:
Poor form, no leg kick and terrible follow through. We need to get this guy a Flag coach.
A max deal from a team that you weren't playing for for three years is by definition for less money than you could have gotten in a max deal from the team that you've spent the last three years playing for. This is not debatable.Cellar-Door said:
Between the Doc "Say Anything" photoshop (holy shit), the emoji battle, Blake's tweeting (ALIGHT EVERYBODY GOODNIGHT) and the Belichick gif, I'm fucking dying over here. This thread has turned to gold.
Edit: Remembered Blake's tent tweet
Edit: Remembered Blake's tent tweet