NBA & Celtic 2024 Trade Deadline thread

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PP+SVI for Caruso doesn't work. The Celtics would need to add 2 more players to get to the number, because PP is poison pilled (he counts lower as dollar value in the trade for the Celtics than he does for the Bulls.)
The poison pill has nothing to do with it. Even if Pritchard hadn't signed the extension the same thing would be true. Due to being a supertax team Boston only has a 10% buffer in trade, and Pritchard plus any two guys from the end of the bench are about 500-600k short of the necessary total. You can get there by including Walsh.

EDIT: As a note this gets easier in the future as the MLE can be used in the same manner as a TPE (starting next year, I believe).
 

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I find it hard to believe that somebody else won't be able to beat the best offer we can put forward, if they decide to trade Caruso.
 

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Saw him in Manhattan Beach last weekend... looking quite retired!

If that dude is anything more than a Celtics fan in 2024, we are in trouble.
I believe BOS could re-sign Griffin (with a raise) and throw him into a deal to match salaries.

Nice little gift to Blake if that happens.
 

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I might be missing something, but could he even jump Brissett in the rotation?
I’m torn on him here. I’ve always liked him, and he’s a good post up weapon, both as a scorer and creator, but the shot is just SO bad lol.

He’s almost always a good on/off guy, and he’s a smart defender, so Brad being interested wouldn’t surprise me.
 

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That article from The Athletic says the trade deadline is Feb. 8. Hasn't it traditionally been Feb. 15?
 

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I might be missing something, but could he even jump Brissett in the rotation?
Tate gives us that versatile defender that can be plugged in against certain matchups. He’s a guy who can play over a Pritchard or even Hauser when the matchups dictate as we discussed with Lonnie Walker. Of course he’s much more limited than Walker since he can’t shoot but I’ll take some versatile wing depth.
 

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The poison pill has nothing to do with it. Even if Pritchard hadn't signed the extension the same thing would be true. Due to being a supertax team Boston only has a 10% buffer in trade, and Pritchard plus any two guys from the end of the bench are about 500-600k short of the necessary total. You can get there by including Walsh.
You're completely right. The poison pill element could only possibly be an issue on the other side for the Bulls, and they aren't in the tax so it isn't an issue. Thanks for the note about the MLE. That is pretty interesting. I'd imagine more teams will hold onto it and use it midseason in trades.
 

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I believe BOS could re-sign Griffin (with a raise) and throw him into a deal to match salaries.

Nice little gift to Blake if that happens.
You know what, that actually works. His NBA minimum would be around $2.8 million, I believe, so Pritchard, Griffin, and someone like Banton would cover the salary. Then it would just be a matter of draft picks.
 

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You know what, that actually works. His NBA minimum would be around $2.8 million, I believe, so Pritchard, Griffin, and someone like Banton would cover the salary. Then it would just be a matter of draft picks.
Does it? Can a player signed after November 8th, 2023 to a standard (not a two-way) contract be traded at all this season (Feb 8th deadline)? Isn't there a three month rule? You pretty clearly know this stuff better than I do (no snark -- totally sincere) so I'd like to know for my own edification.

If they can be traded, are there any aggregation restrictions in play?
 

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Does it? Can a player signed after November 8th, 2023 to a standard (not a two-way) contract be traded at all this season (Feb 8th deadline)? Isn't there a three month rule? You pretty clearly know this stuff better than I do (no snark -- totally sincere) so I'd like to know for my own edification.

If they can be traded, are there any aggregation restrictions in play?
I can't speak to the ability to move a recently signed contract (though there's generally a blackout window to avoid exactly this scenario), but I'm *pretty* sure the salary aggregation restrictions for over cap/second apron teams don't kick in until the new league year this July
 

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I can't speak to the ability to move a recently signed contract (though there's generally a blackout window to avoid exactly this scenario), but I'm *pretty* sure the salary aggregation restrictions for over cap/second apron teams don't kick in until the new league year this July
Well, I was thinking more along the lines of special rules as related to all teams in trades. Like, you can't trade for a player and aggregate that player with other players in another trade until 60 days have passed. But I appreciate the clarification as my comment wasn't clear.
 

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Does it? Can a player signed after November 8th, 2023 to a standard (not a two-way) contract be traded at all this season (Feb 8th deadline)? Isn't there a three month rule? You pretty clearly know this stuff better than I do (no snark -- totally sincere) so I'd like to know for my own edification.

If they can be traded, are there any aggregation restrictions in play?
You have it correct, they can't.
 

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Like, you can't trade for a player and aggregate that player with other players in another trade until 60 days have passed. But I appreciate the clarification as my comment wasn't clear.
So, are you basically asking if the C's could trade for, say, an $8 million player to package with their own $4 million and $10 million players to acquire a $22 million player? It can be done, it's just executed as a 3 team trade rather than sequential transactions.
 

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So, are you basically asking if the C's could trade for, say, an $8 million player to package with their own $4 million and $10 million players to acquire a $22 million player? It can be done, it's just executed as a 3 team trade rather than sequential transactions.
No. I was wondering if they signed a player right now, and that player for some reason I didn't understand could be traded (which they cannot, so the point is moot) whether there were rules preventing that recently signed player from being aggregated with other players in a trade, similar to how a recently traded player cannot be aggregated in a trade (but can be traded straight up for another player) until 60 days have passed.

Your point is a good one though. You can get around the restriction if the trades aren't done sequentially but rather as a 3+ teamer all at the same time.
 
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They need to be asking Jrue and Al "When Joel and Giannis said "I hate they guy"....who specifically where they referring to?"
 

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Can an NBA team strike a deal with a EuroLeague to "trade" for a player? Serge Ibaka is currently starting C for Bayern Munich.
The players rights are owned by the EuroLeague team and not by any NBA team. Unless there is specific language in the CBA that I’m not aware of I don’t see why the NBA team cannot negotiate a buyout with the EuroLeague team and sign him as a FA.
 

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Drummond very much contravenes the exciting qualities of this year's team (ball movement, 5-out offense). But he makes a lot of sense when viewed under the lens of "it's the playoffs, KP is in foul trouble or sitting for a few games, and you desperately need someone on the roster beyond Horford who can bang with Giannis/Lopez and Jokic."

Edit: we all want Queta to be that guy, but I trust the C's FO to make the right evaluation on whether he's ready.
 

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The players rights are owned by the EuroLeague team and not by any NBA team. Unless there is specific language in the CBA that I’m not aware of I don’t see why the NBA team cannot negotiate a buyout with the EuroLeague team and sign him as a FA.
They can, but the team has to have the cap room (or available exception space) to sign the player plus any buyout amount over a certain threshold ($825K in 2024).
 

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I agree that *we* call players toast way too often (I've done it) but everything about Ibaka screams for avocado.

Even before this season he hadn't gotten much run over the last three seasons and he couldn't get a spot here this year. I'll spare everyone his Darko but his production was cratering over the last few seasons - it kind of looks like the Shanghai Composite of late. Then I imagine him getting switched on to Dame or Maxey...

I am ok calling Serge fully washed if not toast.
 

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I’m not expecting 2012-2014 era Ibaka, but as an end of the bench vet who could bang with the bigs of the playoff journey, he could be useful.
He can also do similar things KP does(at an obviously worse level). While his 45% 3p shooting on 40 attempts in the Euro League is not sustainable, he is a career 35.9% 3p shooter in the league, and also blocked 1.9 shots per game throughout his NBA career. Oddly the Euro League website tracks steals, but not blocks. He's a player that I think could make a real "difference."
 

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I'm not saying Ibaka is washed in 2024, I'm saying he WAS washed, in 2022, when Milwaukee tried him as end of the bench playoff big. If we're fishing for guys who were once good and no longer play in the NBA, I'd rather try to convince Blake Griffin to get off the couch. At least we know he gets along with the guys.
 

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Drummond very much contravenes the exciting qualities of this year's team (ball movement, 5-out offense). But he makes a lot of sense when viewed under the lens of "it's the playoffs, KP is in foul trouble or sitting for a few games, and you desperately need someone on the roster beyond Horford who can bang with Giannis/Lopez and Jokic."

Edit: we all want Queta to be that guy, but I trust the C's FO to make the right evaluation on whether he's ready.
One game, garbage time, but Queta looked pretty good last night. The only downside of seeing him in the playoffs would be TNT mentioning every two minutes that he is from Portugal. Nothing against being from Portugal, I just can’t stand it when the TNT announcers think we aren’t paying attention and they have to go over their talking points incessantly. It’s like Pat Connaughton being from Arlington. Yes, I know!
 

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One game, garbage time, but Queta looked pretty good last night. The only downside of seeing him in the playoffs would be TNT mentioning every two minutes that he is from Portugal. Nothing against being from Portugal, I just can’t stand it when the TNT announcers think we aren’t paying attention and they have to go over their talking points incessantly. It’s like Pat Connaughton being from Arlington. Yes, I know!
Good points. Did you know that Jrue Holiday used to be on our rival Milwaukee?

The Pat Connaughton thing is esp egregious since, with that name, he could really only be from Arlington or Killarney.
 

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How many times has a player been declared toast on this forum and gone on to be a worthwhile addition? Seems frequent.
I don't know how many times, but I imagine there are very few NBA players who have seen their minutes decrease their last 3 years in the league from 27, to 16, to 11 to out of the league make their way back. Especially make their way back to a championship contender and play any sort of meaningful minutes
 

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I don't know how many times, but I imagine there are very few NBA players who have seen their minutes decrease their last 3 years in the league from 27, to 16, to 11 to out of the league make their way back. Especially make their way back to a championship contender and play any sort of meaningful minutes
Sometimes guys are, indeed, toast.
 

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Delon Wright is a buyout candidate right? Can't imagine anyone giving up anything for him
I think Wright would fetch at least one 2nd round pick. I also think he'd be a pretty damn good fit on the Celtics
 

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Delon Wright is a buyout candidate right? Can't imagine anyone giving up anything for him
@benhogan has been trying to get Wright to the Cs for years. Get it done Theo!

However, trade rumours have SAC, MIL, and MIN interested in Wright. Wright seems like a guy that could help pretty much every contender. I think he goes for something.

Unfortunately, Svi, Banton, Stevens, and Walsh aren't enough salaries to match so Cs unlikely to get him IMO.
 

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I don't know how many times, but I imagine there are very few NBA players who have seen their minutes decrease their last 3 years in the league from 27, to 16, to 11 to out of the league make their way back. Especially make their way back to a championship contender and play any sort of meaningful minutes
How about someone who went 34, 31, 20, out of the league? Then came back to play meaningful minutes as the 7th man on a Championship team?
 

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Drummond has never played for a particularly good team and has been very available for a number of years now.

I've always been kind of intrigued by his massive individual rebounding rate. Even this year he is averaging 8.3 rpg, which would be tied with Tatum for the team lead, and Drummond is only averaging 15 mpg. He is averaging 19 rebounds per 36 minutes. He just recently became the 43rd player in NBA history to record over 10,000 rebounds, and if he played in an era that didn't make him a defensive liability (so any era up until 10 years ago) he'd probably be viewed as one of the greatest rebounders in NBA history.
 

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@benhogan has been trying to get Wright to the Cs for years. Get it done Theo!

However, trade rumours have SAC, MIL, and MIN interested in Wright. Wright seems like a guy that could help pretty much every contender. I think he goes for something.

Unfortunately, Svi, Banton, Stevens, and Walsh aren't enough salaries to match so Cs unlikely to get him IMO.
Ha, yes! Kyle Anderson and Delon have always been bench favs from the past

At this point, DW is a buyout guy for the Celtics if the Wizards can't move him by the trade deadline.
Also a potential min. vet guy this summer. He is still efficient in short minutes.
 

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Ha, yes! Kyle Anderson and Delon have always been bench favs from the past

At this point, DW is a buyout guy for the Celtics if the Wizards can't move him by the trade deadline.
Also a potential min. vet guy this summer. He is still efficient in short minutes.
As an expiring, the 'Zards should be able to get at least one 2nd for him and should do it. I don't really see him being bought out.
 

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As an expiring, the 'Zards should be able to get at least one 2nd for him and should do it. I don't really see him being bought out.
Someone has to have the matching expiring to send to them though. I am sure there is real possibility, but still wouldn't surprise me if a deal can't be reached and he is just bought out. Problem is probably gets more regular minutes on some other contender