NBA & Celtic 2024 Trade Deadline thread

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NBA trade deadline: Thursday, FEB. 8, 2024

Fantastic Celtic summation by Jay King from the very worthwhile Athletic. FWIW my favorite sports subscription

https://theathletic.com/5165014/2023/12/28/celtics-trade-deadline-brad-stevens/

The Grant Williams sign-and-trade this summer left the Celtics with a $6.2 million traded player exception (TPE). It could be a useful trade chip, though just how useful remains to be seen.

At that price or lower, it’s difficult to find a player who would potentially be available and also have a realistic chance of helping the Celtics in a playoff series. Would the Hawks consider moving on from Saddiq Bey? He would fit comfortably into the trade exception and give Boston another playable wing in the postseason. Though Bey has been pretty productive for the Hawks this season, they won’t be able to pay everybody and could explore all of their options before he hits free agency this summer. At 12-18, they could be looking at a substantial roster shake-up soon.

Some other TPE targets would be at least mildly intriguing. Not many first-round picks get moved with one and a half years left on their rookie contracts, but if the dreadful Washington Wizards listen to offers for Corey Kispert, his sharpshooting could help somewhere else. Kris Dunn, a quality perimeter defender on an expiring contract, could be available if the Utah Jazz don’t see him as part of their future. HoopsHype’s Michael Scotto reported John Konchar as a possible Celtics target, though the Grizzlies could be hesitant to move anyone if they start charging up the standings with Ja Morant now available.

How many minutes would those players receive in Boston? And if none of them would impact the rotation, how much would the Celtics be willing to pay in luxury taxes for a ninth or 10th man?

The Celtics currently sit about $18 million over the luxury tax line with more than $183 million in projected payroll. For every dollar added to the payroll, they would also need to pony up more than three times that amount in luxury tax. So, if the Celtics include no outgoing salary while using the TPE, a $5 million player would cost the team more than $20 million. And money won’t be the only factor limiting whom the Celtics pursue.

Stevens’ history as a coach and executive shows how much he values locker room dynamics. With the Celtics on pace to win 65 games, he will likely want no part of a trade that could potentially rock the boat.

Stevens made his stance on that clear last season. After acquiring Mike Muscala at the deadline, Stevens said he wanted to find someone with “the ability to play” who wouldn’t “need to play.” In other words, Stevens wanted to look for a player who would be OK with receiving a smaller role but capable of filling a bigger role when necessary.

Expect Stevens to aim for similar fits at this deadline. The Celtics don’t need much. Their starting lineup might be the NBA’s best. At age 37, Al Horford remains more than capable as a sixth man. Sam Hauser and Payton Pritchard have helped complete a better-than-advertised bench. Behind Horford, Luke Kornet has been solid, and Neemias Queta has been promising in limited minutes. Teams this good don’t normally make big changes at the deadline.

The Celtics are expected to examine bench options, but all of the evidence suggests the current group just fits well together. Hauser (41.6 percent) and Pritchard (40 percent) are living up to their reputations as knockdown 3-point shooters while showing off more well-rounded games. The team has blasted opponents by 9.2 points per 100 possessions with Horford on the court; that’s the worst on-court mark for any of the Celtics’ top eight rotation players. As the on-off data shows, Boston has consistently bashed the opposition with any combination of its regulars on the court. An extra perimeter player or a different type of bench big man could still help, if only to provide more playoff-caliber depth, but the second unit hasn’t been an issue so far, and most of the playoff minutes will go to the top-six players anyway.

Beyond the basketball fit, the Celtics locker room has been entirely no-nonsense. At least publicly, the players have all been OK with sacrificing minutes and/or touches. Nobody in a smaller role has complained. That type of team-first mindset is worth preserving. With all of the talent already in Boston, Stevens doesn’t necessarily need to take a big swing. He won’t want to disrupt what he already has.

Another financial factor
The Celtics don’t necessarily need to limit themselves to TPE targets, but they don’t have many bloated salaries to package together for an impact player on a bigger contract. The top-six rotation players (the starters and Horford) will combine to make more than $165 million this season. That’s more than 90 percent of the team’s payroll. Assuming Stevens plans to keep the top of his rotation intact (a safe assumption given the team’s start), his options will be limited from a financial perspective.

For the purpose of demonstrating that point, we can use Kelly Olynyk as an example. Marc Stein recently reported that the Celtics are “among the teams that (are) monitoring” the Jazz big man as a trade possibility. Olynyk, quietly putting together an efficient season in Utah, would give Boston another quality depth piece in the frontcourt, but it would be extremely difficult for the Celtics to make the money work without including a rotation player in the deal. Unless they wanted to trade Horford, Hauser or Pritchard, they would need to trade just about everyone else on the roster to reach the salary required to match Olynyk’s $12.2 million contract. Not even the five-player combination of Oshae Brissett, Svi Mykhailiuk, Lamar Stevens, Kornet and Dalano Banton would give the Celtics enough salary to acquire Olynyk. The challenges of a six-for-one trade, which would force Utah to waive several players or re-route them elsewhere, mean Olynyk would be extremely unlikely for the Celtics to obtain without trading a rotation piece. Even if Boston wanted to deal Pritchard in such a move, his contract extension, which will kick in next season, would complicate any deal as a poison pill for salary-matching purposes.

The Celtics could more realistically build an offer for someone near the salary level of San Antonio’s Cedi Osman ($6.7 million) or Houston’s Jae’Sean Tate ($6.5 million), but any contract much bigger than that would present serious salary-matching issues. Boston could still decide to trade one of its rotation players for the right acquisition but would need to consider the future as well as the present in any deal. The team’s payroll is set to grow out of control in the coming years even if Stevens holds onto the current core. And the new collective bargaining agreement will punish the most expensive teams.

The Celtics could have a window to strike now, before the worst of their coming tax avalanche. But the circumstances suggest not to expect many fireworks from Stevens.
 

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I have hope that Brissett can be the ninth man in the playoffs, if a true upgrade isn’t available. SSS, it he’s hitting the three at 40%. Hopefully he can thrive in regular rotation minutes up until the trade deadline.
 

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It’s interesting that the guys already here and not playing a lot (Brissett and Stevens) look as good or better than most realistic options.

Dunn is interesting and likely gettable—I don’t think Caruso (value-wise) and Kelly O (contract-cap wise) really are.

as an aside: typically disfavored to copy a whole article rather than excerpts
 

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IF and once KO was bought out, there is no way that anyone could require him to sign with Boston.
Here is how an Olynyk buyout could happen:

1. Danny looks to trade KO up until the trade deadline. He only gets offered a couple of 2nds.
2. DAR calls Kelly's agent and says the market is lukewarm for KO, how much is chasing a ring worth to him?
3. KO decides he'll take a discounted buyout.
4. KO will get at least a vet minimum from his desired location to subsidize the discount.
5. UTAH saves money on the discount, since they haven't added filler on a KO trade, & they have the option to take those savings to buy 2nd round picks or fatten the owners' wallets.

as an aside: typically disfavored to copy a whole article rather than excerpts
That's fair, and I'll be better in the future. Think of me as an AI-bot ;)

The article answers most Celtic trade questions folks have around here.
 
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It’s interesting that the guys already here and not playing a lot (Brissett and Stevens) look as good or better than most realistic options.

Dunn is interesting and likely gettable—I don’t think Caruso (value-wise) and Kelly O (contract-cap wise) really are.

as an aside: typically disfavored to copy a whole article rather than excerpts
I was thinking the same thing with regards to Brissett and Stevens, and potentially even Svi if he gets some minutes.

It does not seem reasonable that Stevens will do a 6-for-1 type deal and it seems incredibly unlikely that he would trade one of Horford / Pritchard (with extenstion) / Hauser.

(I believe he copied entire article because majority do not have subscriptions to The Athletic (shamefully))
 

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I have hope that Brissett can be the ninth man in the playoffs, if a true upgrade isn’t available. SSS, it he’s hitting the three at 40%. Hopefully he can thrive in regular rotation minutes up until the trade deadline.
9th man in the playoffs isn't much of a thing though, will be plenty of DNPs. I think it can be some combination of Queta, Kornet, Brisset, or Blanton based on matchups/foul trouble without really any issue.

Brisett's form looks kind of busted to me but he is at a passable 35% for his career and will get a lot of open looks if he's out there.

Seems to me the only moves (if there are any at all) will basically be insurance against injury. There really aren't any minutes for the guys we can realistically get.
 
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Bey is just about the only guy who would fit into the TPE that is remotely 1) available and 2) desirable.

Maybe Okogie if the Suns decide to shut it down (doubtful).

Hard to see either guy cracking the rotation, they would just be deep depth and not even useful salary filler with the new rules coming in.
 

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I like Bey too. I think that the only thing that they really need is Big insurance. That's one reason why KO seems ideal as a big who can also shoot. But I'd be fine with Theis/Beef Stew types. I don't want Queta on the court in the playoffs.
 

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I like Bey too. I think that the only thing that they really need is Big insurance. That's one reason why KO seems ideal as a big who can also shoot. But I'd be fine with Theis/Beef Stew types. I don't want Queta on the court in the playoffs.
No irrational exuberance here.
 

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I like Bey too. I think that the only thing that they really need is Big insurance. That's one reason why KO seems ideal as a big who can also shoot. But I'd be fine with Theis/Beef Stew types. I don't want Queta on the court in the playoffs.
Beef Stew's contract moving forward could be an issue but he'd be perfect. Theis is already thriving in LA so that's not happening. Olynyk or Stew would be ideal but this would take some mighty creativity.
 

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Beef Stew's contract moving forward could be an issue but he'd be perfect. Theis is already thriving in LA so that's not happening. Olynyk or Stew would be ideal but this would take some mighty creativity.
Yeah I'm not hung up on particular guys. Theis and Stew are examples of dudes who aren't everything but get you quality minutes here and there as needed. Someone similar is fine. Kornet brings some of the same negatives as Queta, even though he's better. I like the tweener big in 2023. This is all margins stuff anyway. Hopefully nobody besides Al and Porzingis is seeing the floor at big in any meaningful playoff games.
 

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Beef Stew's contract moving forward could be an issue but he'd be perfect. Theis is already thriving in LA so that's not happening. Olynyk or Stew would be ideal but this would take some mighty creativity.
Isaiah Stewart's contract is an issue. Olynyk has a better chance of ending up in Boston. BUT expect neither.

Beef Stew would have been good as a 3rd string/beef center for Boston. The last year of his rookie contract was paying him $5.26MM and he would have fit into the GW exception. Detroit possibly could have collected a protected late first (or some 2nds?) for him & maybe saved a few shekels in the process, if they had just gone to RFA with Stewart.

BUT then Troy Weaver did what he does best for the Detroit Pistons. A dumb, unnecessary move this summer. Detroit gave Stewart a 4-year/$60MM extension when they could have just gone to RFA. I can't imagine Stewart's market would have exceeded Grant William's price.

The extension created a Poison Pill restriction until Jul 01, 2024. The Poison Pill restriction means Boston (or any other NBA contender that is looking for a back-up center) would need to send out ~$13MM in salary to make an Isaiah Stewart trade work.

Pistons on TILT again.

AND as Jimbo points out Kornet/Queta can probably hold down the 3rd string center spot

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/detroit-pistons/isaiah-stewart-70658/
 

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Here is how an Olynyk buyout could happen:

1. Danny looks to trade KO up until the trade deadline. He only gets offered a couple of 2nds.
2. DAR calls Kelly's agent and says the market is lukewarm for KO, how much is chasing a ring worth to him?
3. KO decides he'll take a discounted buyout.
4. KO will get at least a vet minimum from his desired location to subsidize the discount.
5. UTAH saves money on the discount, since they haven't added filler on a KO trade, & they have the option to take those savings to buy 2nd round picks or fatten the owners' wallets.
This would be a crazy thing for Ainge to do. If he gets offered assets for Olynyk, which he surely will, he's not tossing those away to buyout Olynyk in the hopes of trying to recover those assets later.

I know everyone seems to be stuck on Olynyk getting here after a buyout, but I think the odds of him getting bought out are less than 1%.

Besides him being a good player on an easy expiring salary to match in trades, I think the new rules are going to lead to more trades than ever this deadline for guys like Olynyk.

This deadline is going to be the last chance for some teams to aggregate smaller contracts into a bigger salary. Those same teams won't have access to any MLE next summer, but would be able to re-sign Kelly Olynyk if they traded for him at the deadline. Trading is the only way they'll really be able to add anyone making salary to their team.

Olynyk also wouldn't be looking for a buyout, because that would be the end of his Bird rights.
 

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This would be a crazy thing for Ainge to do. If he gets offered assets for Olynyk, which he surely will, he's not tossing those away to buyout Olynyk in the hopes of trying to recover those assets later.

I know everyone seems to be stuck on Olynyk getting here after a buyout, but I think the odds of him getting bought out are less than 1%.

Besides him being a good player on an easy expiring salary to match in trades, I think the new rules are going to lead to more trades than ever this deadline for guys like Olynyk.

This deadline is going to be the last chance for some teams to aggregate smaller contracts into a bigger salary. Those same teams won't have access to any MLE next summer, but would be able to re-sign Kelly Olynyk if they traded for him at the deadline. Trading is the only way they'll really be able to add anyone making salary to their team.

Olynyk also wouldn't be looking for a buyout, because that would be the end of his Bird rights.
Yep, don't expect Olynyk to happen. Just like I don't see Beef Stew wearing Green. Not sure why there are rumors of it.

Woj thinks the trade season will be slow.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/274099/Lots-Of-Buyers-Few-Sellers-Expected-At-2024-NBA-Trade-Deadline

"Lots of buyers, few sellers," wrote Adrian Wojnarowski on Threads when asked what he anticipates for the trade deadline.
There will be trades. There will be sellers. But the asking price is going to be high from the really bad teams to move assets --- so that [it] slows down.
 

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Yep, don't expect Olynyk to happen. Just like I don't see Beef Stew wearing Green. Not sure why there are rumors of it.

Woj thinks the trade season will be slow.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/274099/Lots-Of-Buyers-Few-Sellers-Expected-At-2024-NBA-Trade-Deadline

"Lots of buyers, few sellers," wrote Adrian Wojnarowski on Threads when asked what he anticipates for the trade deadline.
There will be trades. There will be sellers. But the asking price is going to be high from the really bad teams to move assets --- so that [it] slows down.
Slow deadline works just fine for the Celtics. Other teams need to catch up to them so I hope nobody is able to add useful pieces, especially teams like Milwaukee and Philly.
 

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Yep, don't expect Olynyk to happen. Just like I don't see Beef Stew wearing Green. Not sure why there are rumors of it.

Woj thinks the trade season will be slow.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/274099/Lots-Of-Buyers-Few-Sellers-Expected-At-2024-NBA-Trade-Deadline

"Lots of buyers, few sellers," wrote Adrian Wojnarowski on Threads when asked what he anticipates for the trade deadline.
There will be trades. There will be sellers. But the asking price is going to be high from the really bad teams to move assets --- so that [it] slows down.
I assume the Isaiah Stewart rumors started by someone, probably Bill Simmons, just looking at his salary this year and thinking oooh that fits! I don't see any way they could acquire him without including Horford, which they won't do.

I think Woj is going to be way off. The big spenders are going to make deals this deadline if just to lock in bigger salaries. I think we may even see some crazy lopsided looking trades just to lock in those bigger salaries. Then this summer will have some insane salaries being paid short term for Bird rights guys like D'Angelo Russell got this year. Going to be some wild unintended consequences to the new CBA.
 

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Slow deadline works just fine for the Celtics. Other teams need to catch up to them so I hope nobody is able to add useful pieces, especially teams like Milwaukee and Philly.
Yea, Brad has done 95% of his heavy lifting for the next few seasons (just extension work for Tatum, DW, Jrue, Sam).
Expect plenty of rumors and little action from Boston.

Teams like the 76ers, Lakers, OKC, Bucks, Heat, Cavs, Bulls, Knicks, Raptors, Jazz etc should all be active. Not sure I agree with Woj, @mcpickl makes a good point about this being the last chance to combine small contracts.

PDX should not be sitting on Brogdon & move him ASAP. He's a high-quality 6th man for a contender. If I was PDX I'd be nervous about an injury with Malcolm
 

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Malcolm fits with a bunch of contenders—but not sure he’s a first choice for any of them, is he? So that might slow a deal for him down
 

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Bey is just about the only guy who would fit into the TPE that is remotely 1) available and 2) desirable.

Maybe Okogie if the Suns decide to shut it down (doubtful).

Hard to see either guy cracking the rotation, they would just be deep depth and not even useful salary filler with the new rules coming in.
If the Suns were to shut it down, I'd like to get Eric Gordon (probably as a buy-out guy). A veteran scorer off the bench that can play in big playoff series is at the top of my C's wishlist.
 

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If the Suns were to shut it down, I'd like to get Eric Gordon (probably as a buy-out guy). A veteran scorer off the bench that can play in big playoff series is at the top of my C's wishlist.
Why would the Suns ever shut it down? They would seem to be prime buyers to upgrade their rotation
 

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Malcolm fits with a bunch of contenders—but not sure he’s a first choice for any of them, is he? So that might slow a deal for him down
Maybe I like MB more than most, BUT I see a bunch of contenders he could help: Lakers, 76ers, Heat, OKC, Orlando, and Wolves.

The Magic especially.

Mostly I want to see a tanker like PDX to keep on adding assets
 

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Maybe I like MB more than most, BUT I see a bunch of contenders he could help: Lakers, 76ers, Heat, OKC, Orlando, and Wolves.

The Magic especially.

Mostly I want to see a tanker like PDX to keep on adding assets
I agree—-what I’m saying is each of them likely is testing other options as well and so will wait to make their best offer for MB
 

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I agree—-what I’m saying is each of them likely is testing other options as well and so will wait to make their best offer for MB
A late First (LAC rescinded offer) or 2 good Seconds (Boston traded #25 for 2 good Seconds) probably gets you Brogdon
which I think is worthwhile for any of those playoff-bound teams.

You're probably right that everyone is being patient/cagey thus far, waiting to bid on Lauri/OG
 

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Cedi Osman seems like a decent target for the C’s, along with Konchar.
May make more sense to not use the TPE (Osman doesn't fit into it anyway) so that the move is pretty much salary neutral and doesn't result in a big tax payment. They would have to include two of the 2 million guys (Banton, Svi, Stevens) and Brissett and his 2.1 million to make the money work. Spurs would have zero interest in any of those guys so it would be a straight dump in order to get a couple 2nds or something
 

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Not to go all sports radio, but I was wondering if Brad could decide to pony up the draft capital needed to land Caruso under the rationale of: (1) loading up to go for the title this year; (2) cutting ties with Holiday after this year to replace him with a cheaper, younger, less-credentialed-but-still-on-his-way-up player with a similar profile. Could be a way of maximizing the team's title chances this year while simultaneously getting cheaper in the future, as Caruso is locked up next at just under $10M next year.

Edit: I love Jrue, and I'm not advocating for getting rid of him by any means. I'm just looking through the lens of "if we have to get shed payroll and make some painful decisions in coming seasons, what could be a shrewd way of going about it."
 
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Not to go all sports radio, but I was wondering if Brad could decide to pony up the draft capital needed to land Caruso under the rationale of: (1) loading up to go for the title this year; (2) cutting ties with Holiday after this year to replace him with a cheaper, younger, less-credentialed-but-still-on-his-way-up player with a similar profile. Could be a way of maximizing the team's title chances this year while simultaneously getting cheaper in the future, as Caruso is locked up next at just under $10M next year.
Agree on the acquisition target
1. Caruso is by far my favorite get even if the cost is PP + a First + (2) Seconds + Filler
2. He would be great Jrue injury insurance. BUT still feel verbal assurances were given (pre-trade day) by both parties to extend Jrue for 2yrs (at KP money). We'll be happy he's here for the next few seasons, much like we are happy with Horford.

People keep on saying we are going to miss Grant Williams when we play Giannis, but I see Jrue filling that defensive role.
I'd love to also throw Caruso at Giannis.

90% of the time I'm payroll concerned, but during those 10% Championship windows I don't want to hear how it's going to impact a billionaire's P/L (there are very easy ways of raising capital to pay the TAX while increasing asset value)
 

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G9_eyrCLrQ


Mark's fake trades for the Celtics:
1. two 2nds for Naji Marshall (interesting) but NOP probably says NO
2. a protected 1st for Konchar (mildly interesting)

If they could get a protected first + filler for Pritchard.
Add a Celtic first & go get Alex Caruso.
(as with all fake trades less than 1% chance of happening)
 

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G9_eyrCLrQ


Mark's fake trades for the Celtics:
1. two 2nds for Naji Marshall (interesting) but NOP probably says NO
2. a protected 1st for Konchar (mildly interesting)

If they could get a protected first + filler for Pritchard.
Add a Celtic first & go get Alex Caruso.
(as with all fake trades less than 1% chance of happening)
Konchar doesn't at all fit the quality of player Brad trades late 1sts for. Maybe a 2nd, but I don't really see the point of Konchar when you have Hauser.

Caruso is the intriguing one, because you now are just throwing waves of high-IQ, versatile-on-both-ends guys at everyone, all the time.
 

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2. a protected 1st for Konchar (mildly interesting)
Konchar would be pretty interesting to me. He has some interesting defensive stats.

For example, he had the fastest average movement speed on defense last year.

He also ranked top in screen navigation.

Problem is that his 3P shooting has gone downhill the last few years (.413 to .339 to .290). Not sure how his mechanics are as I've rarely seen him play.

View: https://twitter.com/NBA_University/status/1694341672908341602


View: https://twitter.com/The_BBall_Index/status/1688339170773893121
 

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If Stevens can get Caruso he should get the executive of the year award at the deadline. The rumored competition for him is pretty high. This is from San Vecenie in the Athletic yesterday (1/17) - who notes that they Bulls may elect to hang on to him too.



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FWIW, the names I see linked to the Cs' are guys like Konchar (whom I agree isn't really a rotational upgrade), Tate from Houston or maybe someone like Cedi Osman (both for depth more than rotation).
 

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Caruso would be a maddeningly perfect fit with either Philly or Milwaukee. Luckily the latter has almost nothing to deal for him. If I'm Morey, that's probably the guy. 76ers could use more playmaking and a larger defender in the backcourt.
 

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Brad should still get Executive of the Year for his work last Summer.

KP heist was criminal in multiple ways. Then he dunked on the Bucks 48-hours of Dame glory by adding Jrue

Danny want Payton Pritchard out in Utah?
PP is kind of reaching that veteran from a winning culture status with playoff experience + long-term dirt-cheap contract that rebuilders should desire.

Maybe Danny or PDX Prodigal Son returns?

I'd also want Brad to only trade PP if it meant a Caruso deal was happening
 

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Konchar would be pretty interesting to me. He has some interesting defensive stats.

For example, he had the fastest average movement speed on defense last year.

He also ranked top in screen navigation.

Problem is that his 3P shooting has gone downhill the last few years (.413 to .339 to .290). Not sure how his mechanics are as I've rarely seen him play.

View: https://twitter.com/NBA_University/status/1694341672908341602


View: https://twitter.com/The_BBall_Index/status/1688339170773893121
Good note on Konchar, thanks for posting.

Indiana guy, long-term dirt cheap contract, & positive +/- On-Off player over his career.
Sounds like a Brad guy.

Having a down season, nothing more than 2nds
 

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Caruso would be a maddeningly perfect fit with either Philly or Milwaukee. Luckily the latter has almost nothing to deal for him. If I'm Morey, that's probably the guy. 76ers could use more playmaking and a larger defender in the backcourt.
fortunately we can outbid Milwaukee. My guess is Philly aims higher—-but they could get Caruso now and still have a lot of space in offseason
 

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Don’t need to do anything, just stay healthy

Don’t fix what’s not broken
I'm on board with this. This current group is developing some really good chemistry, and I'm not sure I want to risk tinkering with that.
 

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Do they have enough interior size/strength to defend Embid and or Giannis in a seven game series? Do they have enough wing defense and, to a lesser extent scoring, on the bench? Those, other than health, are the only questions that need to be answered for me.

I personally don’t have a definitive answer to those questions.
 

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Do they have enough interior size/strength to defend Embid and or Giannis in a seven game series? Do they have enough wing defense and, to a lesser extent scoring, on the bench? Those, other than health, are the only questions that need to be answered for me.

I personally don’t have a definitive answer to those questions.
Al MotherFucking Horford says I got this.
 

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I'm on board with this. This current group is developing some really good chemistry, and I'm not sure I want to risk tinkering with that.
If adding a 7th or 8th man disrupts chemistry then this team is too mentally fragile to win anyway (which is not the case). If we can add a rotational piece for improved depth and injury insurance it’s a no-brainer.
 

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If adding a 7th or 8th man disrupts chemistry then this team is too mentally fragile to win anyway (which is not the case). If we can add a rotational piece for improved depth and injury insurance it’s a no-brainer.
Depends on who they send out to get that 7th or 8th man. Horford has a very tradable contract.
 

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Depends on who they send out to get that 7th or 8th man. Horford has a very tradable contract.
They aren’t moving anything of value from this years team for a 7th/8th man. Salary fodder and future pick(s)….neither of which should prevent them from improving this team.
 

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fortunately we can outbid Milwaukee. My guess is Philly aims higher—-but they could get Caruso now and still have a lot of space in offseason
Right– but, who? Siakam and Anunoby are already off the market. Markkanen probably isn't being traded. Donovan Mitchell would be interesting, but adding a ball-dominant guard seems like it could move them back into Sixers-with-James-Harden territory. And acquiring Zach Levine might objectively make them a worse team. It's not clear that Dejounte Murray is a good two-way player at this point— I'd rather have Caruso.

I haven't watched a ton of Sixers, but my sense is that the clearest opportunities for improvement are: (1) bigger backcourt defender; (2) a heat-check option off the bench who can provide playmaking and scoring when Maxey sits (someone like Malik Monk); or (3) upgrading Tobias Harris into more of a All-Star-level version of Tobias Harris (Siakam, Aaron Gordon). It feels like acquiring a ball-dominant star carries a real risk of regressing them back to last year's team, esp given the particular stars that are out there (to our knowledge) and their lack of interest in playing defense.

edit: maybe in some weird world, there's a three-way trade that gets the Sixers Austin Reaves and the Lakers Donovan Mitchell (not that those players have equal value of course, but you can see it from a "fit" perspective). But Cavs are playing too well at the moment for that to happen.
 
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If adding a 7th or 8th man disrupts chemistry then this team is too mentally fragile to win anyway (which is not the case). If we can add a rotational piece for improved depth and injury insurance it’s a no-brainer.
The perfect player for the Celtics to add would be Al Horford. A second one, in case the first one gets hurt or needs rest. But since there’s only one Al Horford and we already have him, it's really difficult to identify a player who provides an upgrade from Pritchard-Hauser-Kornet but doesn''t think he should be starting, won't disrupt chemistry or create subtraction-by-addition, can be assimilated into the offense and defense in a few months, and won't cost far more in draft equity than can be justified for somebody who might only see the floor for 12 min/game in the playoffs.

Caruso is plug-and-play but probably has more value to teams with more holes in their top-6, so I expect the C's to get handily outbid.
 

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Right– but, who? Siakam and Anunoby are already off the market. Markkanen probably isn't being traded. Donovan Mitchell would be interesting, but adding a ball-dominant guard seems like it could move them back into Sixers-with-James-Harden territory. And acquiring Zach Levine might objectively make them a worse team. It's not clear that Dejounte Murray is a good two-way player at this point— I'd rather have Caruso.

I haven't watched a ton of Sixers, but my sense is that the clearest opportunities for improvement are: (1) bigger backcourt defender; (2) a heat-check option off the bench who can provide playmaking and scoring when Maxey sits (someone like Malik Monk); or (3) upgrading Tobias Harris into more of a All-Star-level version of Tobias Harris (Siakam, Aaron Gordon). It feels like acquiring a ball-dominant star carries a real risk of regressing them back to last year's team, esp given the particular stars that are out there (to our knowledge) and their lack of interest in playing defense.

edit: maybe in some weird world, there's a three-way trade that gets the Sixers Austin Reaves and the Lakers Donovan Mitchell (not that those players have equal value of course, but you can see it from a "fit" perspective). But Cavs are playing too well at the moment for that to happen.
Unless there's a star out there I'm not thinking of, Caruso just makes way, way too much sense in Philly.
 

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Right– but, who? Siakam and Anunoby are already off the market. Markkanen probably isn't being traded. Donovan Mitchell would be interesting, but adding a ball-dominant guard seems like it could move them back into Sixers-with-James-Harden territory. And acquiring Zach Levine might objectively make them a worse team.

edit: maybe in some weird world, there's a three-way trade that gets the Sixers Austin Reaves and the Lakers Donovan Mitchell (not that those players have equal value of course, but you can see it from a "fit" perspective). But Cavs are playing too well at the moment for that to happen.
Yeah, there was a moment in time when it looked as if Mitchell might be on the table, but right now the Cavs are #4, two games behind Philly, with Garland and Mobley coming back at some point. As of today it is more likely that any Cavs trades come in the summer, after the C’s beat them round 2.