Mujica DFA
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Free at last, free at last.....
Not sure why it took so long, or why Varvaro was DFA'd first. Maybe they were still worried about Koji and thought that Mujica was sprinkled with magical closer dust, but this move was way overdue.
Not sure why it took so long, or why Varvaro was DFA'd first. Maybe they were still worried about Koji and thought that Mujica was sprinkled with magical closer dust, but this move was way overdue.
Alex Speier
@alexspeier Mujica being designated coincides with Matt Barnes' move to the bullpen in Pawtucket on Wednesday http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/05/07/red-sox-designate-edward-mujica-for-assignment/U64agSPEKCQNWD4ytbI2hI/story.html …
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@alexspeier Mujica being designated coincides with Matt Barnes' move to the bullpen in Pawtucket on Wednesday http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/05/07/red-sox-designate-edward-mujica-for-assignment/U64agSPEKCQNWD4ytbI2hI/story.html …
https://twitter.com/alexspeier/status/596314741183782912
Because you can't empty your bullpen all at once if guys don't come out of the gate like King Mariano?Toe Nash said:
The problem isn't Breslow's presence on the team. Someone has to be the 11th and 12th guy on the staff, and they're never all that good. The problem is that we're seeing so much of him in situations that matter, and he has nothing to do with that.
This seems to be in the Allen Craig "when the Cardinals give up on someone who previously played a major role, be wary" vein. Much like the "when the Braves give you a prospect, be wary" category.
Rudy Pemberton said:
You do know Breslow is in his 4th consecutive season with the Sox, right? Joined the team in mid 2012, and played nowhere else in 2013 and 2014.
Any chance that Barnes slips into the rotation in place of Masterson and Masterson goes to the pen in place of Mujica?
Barnes and Masterson have been lined up as starters on the same day, however last night would have been a starting assignment for Barnes and he came out of the pen for an inning instead. I've always felt that Masterson would be in the pen by the end of the year, but I figured it would be a front line guy bumping them all down a slot, not a callup.
Barnes and Masterson have been lined up as starters on the same day, however last night would have been a starting assignment for Barnes and he came out of the pen for an inning instead. I've always felt that Masterson would be in the pen by the end of the year, but I figured it would be a front line guy bumping them all down a slot, not a callup.
Just looking for an opinion on Barnes really. I don't follow the minors guys like I know some others do, so I'm not as familiar with his projections as a starter/reliever. Knowing Masterson has righty splits that have been favorable and his past use out of the pen (years ago however), I thought it was worth a question.rembrat said:
Why is Workman not a bullpen arm? He seemed to be able to bring more velocity in short stints and could get through a line up once, but you never hear his name any more. Is he AAAA forever at this point?
Toe Nash said:
Well, if you ignore the pitchers with 2 or fewer innings, he has the third best ERA on the team. 7.2 k/9, 1.33 whip. His FIP sucks, but he throws with his left hand and at the moment doesn't appear significantly worse than anyone else left in the bullpen not named Koji, and actually better than a few.
MyDaughterLovesTomGordon said:
You mean the Workman who's been on the DL since Opening Day? He's out indefinitely rehabbing an elbow that allegedly doesn't need surgery but received a PRP injection on April 15.
MyDaughterLovesTomGordon said:
His elbow is not fit. Apparently, he does not need TJ, but he is sidelined, I think.
I'm hoping for something like this. However, I would continue developing Barnes as a starter in AAA and would promote either E.Rodriguez or B.Johnson into the starting rotation, moving Masterson to the bullpen.
Looking at the Red Sox starting rotation,
Masterson BB/9 K/9 4.91/6.27
Kelly 2.56/9.93
Miley 4.46/5.27
Buchholz 2.87/11.49
Buchholz has pretty good ratios (surprisingly). I have a hard time believing that Rodriguez or Johnson would be any worse than a broken down piece of shit like Justin Masterson. Miley is terrible too, but unlike Masterson, Miley has a future with the team.
Looking at the Red Sox starting rotation,
Masterson BB/9 K/9 4.91/6.27
Kelly 2.56/9.93
Miley 4.46/5.27
Buchholz 2.87/11.49
Buchholz has pretty good ratios (surprisingly). I have a hard time believing that Rodriguez or Johnson would be any worse than a broken down piece of shit like Justin Masterson. Miley is terrible too, but unlike Masterson, Miley has a future with the team.
Barnes is a two pitch guy. Fastball/curveball. Prior to this off-season when he tuned up the curveball into a worthwhile pitch he was just a mid-90's fastball with nice late movement. Now his curve is looking like a worthwhile secondary pitch. Even if you assume he suddenly throws a worthwhile changeup instead of his current one he's still a three pitch guy with that mix being comprised of three of the most widespread pitches in baseball.PaulinMyrBch said:
Out of the 'pen he can blow the fastball by guys, get them swinging out in front of the well placed change, and then drop a curve off the table every now and then as the finisher. You can't take three or four turns through a rotation like that without getting lit up.
Toe Nash said:
Probably because Mujica is the gas can they've continually sprayed over the dumpster fire starts we've had, so you know he can't be trusted in literally any role of importance without detonating. Meanwhile there is some hope that Breslow could still turn out to be a worthwhile LOOGY. They currently have three on the staff, but I'm guessing Farrell doesn't really feel like he knows which one is the right one yet.
Also, a LOOGY with a low salary and a previous history of success can fetch a little something at the deadline. Gas Can Mujica is your far more readily available RHP who would need a trade partner to also take his remaining $2.5M in a deadline deal, even if he turns it around. He's a worse trade chip and likely already a sunk cost, so take back the 25 and 40 man roster spots.
Mujica... Breslow... Masterson... Craig... Victorino... Rusney... Varvaro $4MM here, $10MM there...
Before you know it we'll be talking about real money.
Cherington for Congress, he'll fit right in.
Before you know it we'll be talking about real money.
Cherington for Congress, he'll fit right in.
benhogan said:
Big difference is it's not my money that Cherington is spending/wasting/whatever you want to call it.
Drek717 said:
But Breslow isn't a LOOGY. He's never been death to lefties and often has had a reverse split. If you're keeping Breslow it's for his overall effectiveness against hitters from both sides, not as a LOOGY. Robbie Ross is pretty much the same thing.
If you want a LOOGY, the guy you're looking for is Tommy Layne.
I think we could turn this into a pretty outstanding bullpen. Koji closes. Taz in the 8th. Barnes in the 7th. Masterson and Layne as LOOGY and ROOGY.
Rasputin said:
You left out Ogando. Or did you mean to?
Ogando is the one guy that has the potential for "bringing the heat," assuming his arm stays attached and his velocity ticks up a bit more. I'm not a disciple of the school that says you have to have a horde of hard throwers in the pen, but it's nice to have at least one that's done it before.
WenZink said:
I also only listed five relievers. Thing is, I don't really know what to think about Ogando. I want to think that he's been the victim of a little bad luck on the HR/FB rate but somehow I just don't buy it.
But hey, if he takes the 7th and does the job, I'm fine with it.
Rasputin said:
HR/FB rate doesn't really mean much with just 12.2 IP. He's allowed 3 homers. The first was when he relieved Joe Kelly vs the Yankees with an 8-1 lead. Two guys got on via singles and he was surely going to throw strikes. The other two have come pitching the 9th with the Sox down by a run. I'd give him some more outings before I categorize him as a gopher-ball pitcher.
Barnes stuff seemed to real play up out of the pen this spring. With all our young arms, really any team with a lot of young arms, you are looking for one or more to thrive out of the pen. With Barnes repertoire and what he teased us with this spring he looks like the guy we'll send there.PaulinMyrBch said:
This also opens up a spot in the rotation soon for Johnson to get first crack with E-Rod next up. I hate to use this term but this rotation really has the looks of a "bridge year" between our new young veterans and our guys in Pawtucket as well as Clay's (hopefully) last chance.
He'd better be good out of the pen, because he sure hasn't shown any development as a starter again this year.HomeRunBaker said:
If the FO does decide this is going to be a bridge year, I would hope they'd stick to their plans regarding EdRod's and Johnson's development rather than bring them up for the sake of doing something. They're both young, both have fewer than thirty innings at AAA, and both are presumably on innings limits this year. Johnson in particular hasn't done a whole lot thus far to suggest he's knocking on the door.
His career ERA is 3.79. His FIP 3.81. His xFIP 3.66. The one full year he pitched for the Cards he had a 2.78 ERA but a 3.53 xFIP. If his ERA goes anywhere near 2.55, it will be because of massive BABIP luck and/or playing in a huge pitcher's park. Good riddance. Breslow needs to go next (SOSH don't make me break out the stats!)BigMike said:
I agree with you about both Mujica and Breslow. I've always been wary of the latter because it's always been hard to see what his strategy is for getting hitters out.Hee Sox Choi said:
Mujica's failure here is a bit of a riposte against the special status of closer. If Mujica had some special ability to come through in the clutch for the 2013 Cardinals then how was he so unable to show that with the Sox? It's almost like closer success can be a bit lucky, too.
rembrat said:
He's only owed $5 mil. He was league average last year, and only pitched 13 innings this year.
Someone with a weak pen might bite as a quasi-reclamation project.
But even if the Sox just pay him outright it's not going to tie their hands going forward.
#RedSox today traded RHP Edward Mujica and cash considerations to the Oakland A's in exchange for a player to be named later or cash.
https://twitter.com/RedSox/status/597234065138388992
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Our next series is against Oakland. If Mujica pitches effectively against us, I think that's the sign this season is going nowhere.
https://twitter.com/RedSox/status/597234065138388992Corsi said:
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I hope we're getting more cash than we're giving up/paying.
