MLB suspends Trevor Bauer for 2 years with no pay

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I don't know why I click on this thread. It just continually makes me feel bad. Seriously Mookie? Uggh.
 

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While Mookie knows the guy personally and clearly had a decent relationship with him, I doubt he has done the in depth research SoSH posters have done about what a shitstain this woman abuser is. And now that Bauer has been “cleared”, Mookie is moving on. Social media users have tons of time to investigate and share the reporting about a guy like Bauer. I doubt Mookie is spending much if any time scouring websites for details of Bauer’s abuses. He likely just doesn’t know.
 

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While Mookie knows the guy personally and clearly had a decent relationship with him, I doubt he has done the in depth research SoSH posters have done about what a shitstain this woman abuser is. And now that Bauer has been “cleared”, Mookie is moving on. Social media users have tons of time to investigate and share the reporting about a guy like Bauer. I doubt Mookie is spending much if any time scouring websites for details of Bauer’s abuses. He likely just doesn’t know.
I think this is probably best case and a fair observation. There definitely seems to be an assumption from the frequently online, guilty as charged here, that everyone else has the same information that they do. Of course, I could be totally wrong and he just doesn’t care but it’s probably safer and more decent to give people the benefit of the doubt.
 

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I think this is probably best case and a fair observation. There definitely seems to be an assumption from the frequently online, guilty as charged here, that everyone else has the same information that they do. Of course, I could be totally wrong and he just doesn’t care but it’s probably safer and more decent to give people the benefit of the doubt.
It's fair to think he doesn't know the details. That may likely be the case. I think it's also fair to criticize him for speaking publicly even though he doesn't know (or perhaps doesn't want to know) the full story. At the very least, he stuck his foot in his mouth by hand-waving the bad stuff because he has "no control" and "no say" whether he's said those things naively or purposefully.
 

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I think the Mookie humpers are giving him a pass he hasn’t earned here. “Naive”? “Disappointing”? The guy is using his celebrity and power here to try to bully his team into signing a sexual abuser. The arrogance is breathtaking.
 

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I think this is probably best case and a fair observation. There definitely seems to be an assumption from the frequently online, guilty as charged here, that everyone else has the same information that they do. Of course, I could be totally wrong and he just doesn’t care but it’s probably safer and more decent to give people the benefit of the doubt.
Eeeehhh. . .maybe? I'd rather just take him at his word. If he wants to clarify or say he misspoke or say he was quoted out of context or something, that'd be just fine, as those things happen. But I don't need to imagine that kind of possible followup. It actually needs to happen (or not.)

This is the quote:

“My experience with Bauer is not anything remotely close to what everyone else’s experience is. I love him. I think he’s an awesome guy. The personal things? I have no control. I have no say. Obviously, nothing ever came from it.​
“He’s an awesome pitcher. He’s a great guy, somebody who wants to take the mound every fifth day. But, at the end of the day, I don’t make the decision. That’s a decision that’s not as simple as baseball.”​

They were teammates and this scandal has been going on for years. Bauer was suspended by MLB. So I think it unlikely that he's "in the dark" here.

Further, I think it's clear from the quote itself that Mookie knows what public opinion is - he makes kind of a universal grouping of "everyone else." He also clearly distinguishes that "my experience" with Bauer is "not anything remotely close" to that. Meaning, he knows he's an outlier. Again, not in the dark about what's going on.

Then Mookie does the minimizing bullshit. Bauer's activities (which clearly involved others) are reduced to just "personal things." Meaning private things. Like an oddball hobby or something, done by this awesome guy he loves. And yet, perhaps he's a bit uncomfortable since well, he has "no control or say." But then he further minimizes by claiming "nothing ever came from it." You know, apart from the suspension for domestic violence. Which is why he's not on Mookie's team anymore. Which like, Mookie might have noticed or something.

The only grace note here is saying "it's not as simple as baseball" - which suggests he might have been trying to distinguish Bauer-the-pitcher, from Bauer-the-person. Which is kind of facetious, given the rest of it, but whatever.
 

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Yeah, good post Rovin Romine. Kinda hard to argue for Mookie based on his statement. It’s so easy for a guy like me who reads SoSH. I don’t “social media” outside of this site but SoSH usually covers all topics in depth making it easy for me to be up to speed on most any topic.
 

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I’d be shocked if Mookie didn’t have a decent understanding of the factual allegations. Athletes still have plenty of free time to be on their phones, and I find it completely unbelievable anyone would hear that one of their 24 teammates was suspended for breaking a woman’s head and not read about it on the plane or the shitter. Mookie would have to be the least curious person on earth not to know about the charges against Bauer.
 

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Do we know if Mookie said anything subsequent to this? He was quoted in the LA Times, so I imagine there's been some public discussion of his statements.
 

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I’d be shocked if Mookie didn’t have a decent understanding of the factual allegations. Athletes still have plenty of free time to be on their phones, and I find it completely unbelievable anyone would hear that one of their 24 teammates was suspended for breaking a woman’s head and not read about it on the plane or the shitter. Mookie would have to be the least curious person on earth not to know about the charges against Bauer.
I agree with this take. I'm bummed that Mookie has these views, no matter how he wants to frame it.
 

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Eeeehhh. . .maybe? I'd rather just take him at his word. If he wants to clarify or say he misspoke or say he was quoted out of context or something, that'd be just fine, as those things happen. But I don't need to imagine that kind of possible followup. It actually needs to happen (or not.)

This is the quote:

“My experience with Bauer is not anything remotely close to what everyone else’s experience is. I love him. I think he’s an awesome guy. The personal things? I have no control. I have no say. Obviously, nothing ever came from it.​
“He’s an awesome pitcher. He’s a great guy, somebody who wants to take the mound every fifth day. But, at the end of the day, I don’t make the decision. That’s a decision that’s not as simple as baseball.”​

They were teammates and this scandal has been going on for years. Bauer was suspended by MLB. So I think it unlikely that he's "in the dark" here.

Further, I think it's clear from the quote itself that Mookie knows what public opinion is - he makes kind of a universal grouping of "everyone else." He also clearly distinguishes that "my experience" with Bauer is "not anything remotely close" to that. Meaning, he knows he's an outlier. Again, not in the dark about what's going on.

Then Mookie does the minimizing bullshit. Bauer's activities (which clearly involved others) are reduced to just "personal things." Meaning private things. Like an oddball hobby or something, done by this awesome guy he loves. And yet, perhaps he's a bit uncomfortable since well, he has "no control or say." But then he further minimizes by claiming "nothing ever came from it." You know, apart from the suspension for domestic violence. Which is why he's not on Mookie's team anymore. Which like, Mookie might have noticed or something.

The only grace note here is saying "it's not as simple as baseball" - which suggests he might have been trying to distinguish Bauer-the-pitcher, from Bauer-the-person. Which is kind of facetious, given the rest of it, but whatever.
Yeah. As much as I have liked Mookie, it's really not fair to those affected by this Bauer shitbag to do gymnastics to try to make chicken salad out of Mookie's chicken shit.
 

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I just can’t get myself to defend Mookie on this. The quote is just a bit too icky feeling for me, particularly the glowing review of Bauer.

If he had omitted some of the more blatant Bauer ball-washing and said:

“My experience with Bauer is not anything remotely close to what everyone else’s experience is. The personal things? I have no idea.

“He’s an awesome pitcher. He’s somebody who wants to take the mound every fifth day. But, at the end of the day, I don’t make the decision. That’s a decision that’s not as simple as baseball.”

…I could get past it. But calling him an awesome guy, and pointing out that ‘nothing came from’ the allegations is pretty gross.

Hell, even if he said “in my experience, he seemed like a great guy”, that would be a thousand times better.
 

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Not defending either Bauer or Mookie here... but is it possible he was referring to Bauer's reputation as a difficult teammate? There's been rumors about the guy that date back to high school that he's a horrible teammate, selfish, awkward, etc. Him and Gerrit Cole have a well known feud dating back to their days at UCLA. He could have been referring to Bauer's reputation in those areas. He's still glossing over what Bauer's been accused of, but I'd reckon professional athletes are probably more sympathetic to their peers in that arena than SOSH posters are. They all probably have a similar experience to Bauer, or know someone that has, with respect to being a victim of (potential) blackmail. Just my two cents.
 

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Not defending either Bauer or Mookie here... but is it possible he was referring to Bauer's reputation as a difficult teammate? There's been rumors about the guy that date back to high school that he's a horrible teammate, selfish, awkward, etc. Him and Gerrit Cole have a well known feud dating back to their days at UCLA. He could have been referring to Bauer's reputation in those areas. He's still glossing over what Bauer's been accused of, but I'd reckon professional athletes are probably more sympathetic to their peers in that arena than SOSH posters are. They all probably have a similar experience to Bauer, or know someone that has, with respect to being a victim of (potential) blackmail. Just my two cents.
I feel like English is pretty easy for native speakers, so if Mookie was talking about him as a teammate he would’ve used words like teammate, colleague, player. But, he called Bauer a great guy and an awesome guy so it probably makes more sense to think Mookie knew the words he was using and meant them in their usual sense.
 

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Bauer has “learned from (his) mistakes” and wants back in to MLB

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2024/01/04/trevor-bauer-interviews-fox-news-mistakes-reputation-los-angeles-dodgers/72108837007/

Former Los Angeles Dodgers pitcher Trevor Bauer said in a television interview on Fox News Thursday that he “made mistakes” and was “reckless” in his personal life but has made changes to address that as he seeks to resurrect his American baseball career, including “not having casual sexual relationships anymore.”
 

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Bauer’s turning over a new leaf and will only choke out those with whom he’s in a committed relationship.
Yes, because obviously his biggest problem was the casual sexual relationships where he didn't know them well enough to trust them to keep their mouths shut.
 

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so I think it's pretty clear that no teams want to sign Bauer, given he is groveling on twitter for some team to sign him for league minimum
View: https://twitter.com/BauerOutage/status/1755373148877566044

Blake Snell is going to get hundreds of millions of dollars on a multi year deal. And he should. He deserves it. For a team that doesn’t want to commit multi years, hundreds of millions of dollars, or many elite prospects for a Cy young award winner, they could sign me for league minimum and pay 0 incremental dollars over what they have to pay to that roster spot anyway. Just another option for teams that want to win and don’t want to break the bank.
 

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Also. The fact that he even states he would sign for a league minimum Contract shows how toxic he is to teams.
 

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Also. The fact that he even states he would sign for a league minimum Contract shows how toxic he is to teams.
Smart move to try to make himself the subject of some incel campaign to bombard teams with demands to sign him. It’s almost an interesting thought experiment in how far and how openly fans will advocate for a scumbag that would improve their chances of winning.
 

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Smart move to try to make himself the subject of some incel campaign to bombard teams with demands to sign him. It’s almost an interesting thought experiment in how far and how openly fans will advocate for a scumbag that would improve their chances of winning.

K. Bryant says hi
 

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I suppose he can always go back to Japan. The money is good and he pitched well. He 's already burned his bridges on this side of the Pacific.
If he's really wiling to play for peanuts, I could see the A's signing him. Fisher can have a fellow pariah to hang with..
 

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He was on Theo Von's podcast the other day. He talked about the incident. It starts at 1:35:00 Interestingly, Theo mentions that he had a weird encounter with the same person that made allegations against Bauer. Take it with a grain of salt because Theo likes to make up stories though I don't see why he would lie. That said, Bauer does sound like he's learned a lot from the situation and has made changes in his life. I'm not advocating that a team sign him by any means, but it's a decent listen if you have time to kill. I don't think Bauer will ever be back in Major League baseball as a professional pitcher, but it sounds like he's going to try and make a career out of helping develop other pitchers if he isn't able to play professionally state-side again.
 

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He was on Theo Von's podcast the other day. He talked about the incident. It starts at 1:35:00 Interestingly, Theo mentions that he had a weird encounter with the same person that made allegations against Bauer. Take it with a grain of salt because Theo likes to make up stories though I don't see why he would lie. That said, Bauer does sound like he's learned a lot from the situation and has made changes in his life. I'm not advocating that a team sign him by any means, but it's a decent listen if you have time to kill. I don't think Bauer will ever be back in Major League baseball as a professional pitcher, but it sounds like he's going to try and make a career out of helping develop other pitchers if he isn't able to play professionally state-side again.
I'm not going to listen to the podcast, but Bauer certainly does not come across (in the few things I've seen since the incidents came to light) as being humble, or not-aggressive, or compassionate, or remorseful, or anything along those lines. He still seems like an arrogant, pushy, entitled, douchebag who can't even, as a bare minimum, acknowledge he was part of "a toxic dynamic" with multiple women (to put the most amount of face-saving on characterizing the situation - not to express my personal view of it all.)

So the chances of this or something like it happening again are fairly large. Especially given that he has a goal (to get back into MLB) and is on a virtual self-promoting tour. In that circumstance I'd be suspicious of any sudden remorse or self-awareness, since such would be tied to reaching his goal. And while that may not be entirely fair, the burden is really on Bauer at this point.
 

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He was on Theo Von's podcast the other day. He talked about the incident. It starts at 1:35:00 Interestingly, Theo mentions that he had a weird encounter with the same person that made allegations against Bauer. Take it with a grain of salt because Theo likes to make up stories though I don't see why he would lie. That said, Bauer does sound like he's learned a lot from the situation and has made changes in his life. I'm not advocating that a team sign him by any means, but it's a decent listen if you have time to kill. I don't think Bauer will ever be back in Major League baseball as a professional pitcher, but it sounds like he's going to try and make a career out of helping develop other pitchers if he isn't able to play professionally state-side again.
A sampling of Theo Von’s recent podcast guests over the past 6 months includes Trevor Bauer, Tim Dillon, Sean Strickland, Dana White, Tucker Carlson, Jordan Peterson and RFK, Jr. Not to go all V&N, but I don’t see a reason for me to listen to this one.
 

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I'm not going to listen to the podcast, but Bauer certainly does not come across (in the few things I've seen since the incidents came to light) as being humble, or not-aggressive, or compassionate, or remorseful, or anything along those lines. He still seems like an arrogant, pushy, entitled, douchebag who can't even, as a bare minimum, acknowledge he was part of "a toxic dynamic" with multiple women (to put the most amount of face-saving on characterizing the situation - not to express my personal view of it all.)

So the chances of this or something like it happening again are fairly large. Especially given that he has a goal (to get back into MLB) and is on a virtual self-promoting tour. In that circumstance I'd be suspicious of any sudden remorse or self-awareness, since such would be tied to reaching his goal. And while that may not be entirely fair, the burden is really on Bauer at this point.
Yeah, I’m not arguing that he’s suddenly a good person now. I just said he’s made changes. He talked a little bit about how he was engaged in hookup culture, but he’s now much more selective about who he lets into his life and surrounds himself with. He went to great lengths to describe that he now is much more selective about who he shares his life with and what his criteria is now for his inner circle, including romantic partners. He no longer responds to people that approach him on social media, etc.

In light of that, he did try to make himself appear sympathetic and naive by saying, at the time, he personally didn’t think that anyone would ever make allegations against him. Hence the changes. He doesn’t admit to any more wrong doing than that. He then defaults back to his legal victory over his accuser—and the fact no criminal charges were filed—as proof of his innocence, which has been his stance all along.

He does acknowledge the burden is on him now to prove that he’s made changes. He talked about wanting to take only incentive based contracts and would even sign a deal with a team that allowed them to cut him if he became a problem in the locker room or had any new off the field scandals/accusations. Again, not advocating that a team sign him, but I do think he’s sincere about those things. Would I give him a second chance? I don’t know. I don’t think one interview changes too much for me, but I could see myself giving him one if he spent another year or two overseas, in the public spotlight, and stayed out of trouble.
 

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Yeah, I’m not arguing that he’s suddenly a good person now. I just said he’s made changes. He talked a little bit about how he was engaged in hookup culture, but he’s now much more selective about who he lets into his life and surrounds himself with. He went to great lengths to describe that he now is much more selective about who he shares his life with and what his criteria is now for his inner circle, including romantic partners. He no longer responds to people that approach him on social media, etc.

In light of that, he did try to make himself appear sympathetic and naive by saying, at the time, he personally didn’t think that anyone would ever make allegations against him. Hence the changes. He doesn’t admit to any more wrong doing than that. He then defaults back to his legal victory over his accuser—and the fact no criminal charges were filed—as proof of his innocence, which has been his stance all along.

He does acknowledge the burden is on him now to prove that he’s made changes. He talked about wanting to take only incentive based contracts and would even sign a deal with a team that allowed them to cut him if he became a problem in the locker room or had any new off the field scandals/accusations. Again, not advocating that a team sign him, but I do think he’s sincere about those things. Would I give him a second chance? I don’t know. I don’t think one interview changes too much for me, but I could see myself giving him one if he spent another year or two overseas, in the public spotlight, and stayed out of trouble.
Absolutely none of that is taking responsibility for anything. The “changes” he is talking about is acting like he’s a victim protecting himself from future predators.
 

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Bauer was widely detested by his own teammates and as you can see his personality is a big reason why.

I see zero reason why he should be given further chances in MLB.
He can go back to Instagram to troll for women. This guy can destroy a clubhouse.
 

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I saw this link on my FB feed yesterday that really pissed me off, both about Bauer, but mostly about FB.

The link was actually quoting Jonathan Papelbon (I wonder if this got algorhythmed to me as a Sox fan), with Pap saying it's ridiculous that no one will give him a chance. And I think I saw another one where another MLB alumni was offering to cover the MLB minimum for a team so they could sign him. Oddly enough, in the comments section, there were ZERO comments throwing cold water or caution on the idea, which to me indicates without a doubt that whomever manages these posts simply deletes any negative comments or people pointing out Bauer's past behavior. So what you end up with are posts from former MLBers saying that Bauer deserves a chance, and then dozens to hundreds of comments that only show support for the idea, making it look like there are a tidal wave of fans who support it.

To me, this is simply Bauer and his supporters using social media in a deliberate way to whitewash or rebrand his image. It may not work on MLB front offices, but it disgusts me that FB allows guys like Bauer to use the platform in an utterly manipulative way to attempt to restore his image with fans.

edit- for link, I looked but couldn't find one, JA.
 
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I think I saw exactly the same thing on FB and was momentarily disgusted, then I remembered that anyone who leaves comments on a public/advertised FB post is an idiot or a bot.
 

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Those were both Papelbon as linked here earlier (suggesting it and offering to cover his salary), I’m predicting NESN ends up cutting ties with Papelbon sooner rather than later (this is just one example why they should).
 

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I’ll never understand it. You were a good player, fans remember your athletic feats fondly, you’ve gotten hired post-career to do some media stuff….how flipping hard is it to not be a total dodo bird?
 

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Those were both Papelbon as linked here earlier (suggesting it and offering to cover his salary), I’m predicting NESN ends up cutting ties with Papelbon sooner rather than later (this is just one example why they should).
I'll be forever grateful for the role he played in bringing a world championship to Boston, but IMO Papelbon's a moron. There's been more than one occasion where I've watched him drone on during the pre-game Jim Rice sitting next to him looking like he'd just like to punch him in the face.