MLB suspends Trevor Bauer for 2 years with no pay

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The conversation took a hard turn toward how many posters would never root for the Sox again if they signed Bauer. Is there some indication that the team is at all interested in him?
No. But just as Deshawn Watson settling most of the civil claims against him was a precursor (and, most likely, a precondition) to him returning to the field, I think people see Bauer settling this case as a sign that he will attempt to resume his MLB career next season. I don’t know if Bauer is making progress toward settling the other cases, and I would think that’s a precondition to getting any MLB club to bring him to camp.

Bauer does have Tom Glavine on his side, which I guess is something.

https://www.si.com/mlb/braves/news/tom-glavine-trevor-bauer
 

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I don’t know if Bauer is making progress toward settling the other cases, and I would think that’s a precondition to getting any MLB club to bring him to camp.
I know other women have made allegations against Bauer, but are there other open cases, civil or criminal, outstanding against him? I doubt teams will touch him either way.
 

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I know other women have made allegations against Bauer, but are there other open cases, civil or criminal, outstanding against him? I doubt teams will touch him either way.
Found this rundown from a few months ago.

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10079218-trevor-bauer-accused-of-sexual-assault-by-4th-woman-pitcher-denies-allegations.amp.html

Tl;dr version — four women have accused Bauer. Of those, two have filed lawsuits; one is the case that just settled, and the other case is pending in Arizona. The other two women have not sued. Of those two, the statute of limitations has probably passed for one, and I believe the other is the woman whose story the Washington Post reported some time back.
 
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No. But just as Deshawn Watson settling most of the civil claims against him was a precursor (and, most likely, a precondition) to him returning to the field, I think people see Bauer settling this case as a sign that he will attempt to resume his MLB career next season. I don’t know if Bauer is making progress toward settling the other cases, and I would think that’s a precondition to getting any MLB club to bring him to camp.

Bauer does have Tom Glavine on his side, which I guess is something.

https://www.si.com/mlb/braves/news/tom-glavine-trevor-bauer
I mean, Deshawn paid off women to settle his cases. Bauer didn't pay his accuser anything, did he? Just seems a bit different than Deshawn to me.
 

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only an extremely small percentage of the time are those accusations false
That is one of those things that is often said without data (if there is any considered by users of that statement) being clear what it means. In light of the volatile emotional politics the burden of proof for a false accusation is nothing short of the accuser coming clean and admitting they lied. Not guilty doesn't count, investigators finding the suspect was out of the country, doesn't count, an accuser making frequent accusations, doesn't count, etc. Many studies reject accusations that are dismissed by initial investigators as not credible. (a stat of 5% false allegations for rapes is often used, or roughly the same odds Mookie Betts will hit a HR when he comes to the plate, the belief is less sever sexual assaults have higher false allegations. I take a drug that makes me 5% less likely to die, that is a huge improvement in odds. )

Anyway that phrase is extremely problematic, and is supposed to end all calls for due process, meaning the guy (because if the offender is female it is treated differently) is guilty right? Come on small chance he's innocent, why wait? And if he is innocent more likely next guy is for sure guilty, so let's not slow down at all.

I mean at one time people, at least people with with the rope were really sure white women lied about what a black man did pretty much never. They didn't wait for evidence either.

At any rate the number isn't zero. In a climate where, even without proof an accusation can cause irreparable harm is it not safe to assume accusations used out of malice would tick up a bit? If there is a chance for huge financial gain is there not a possibility that the possibility of a false accusation is more than (the dubiously arrived at) just above zero?

Due process and striving for the truth should be cornerstones of civilization, stats, anger history, should not cause people to rush to judgment abandoning principles.

I guess I am an older person who has been horribly wrong uncountable times. Recently I almost died because of the my certainty I was healthy and strong. The only consolation I had as they wheeled me into the OR is that my arrogance, my emotional judgements, my wrongness was only going to kill me.

I certainly do not know what happened and who deserves to be destroyed on bits of evidence presented in the media.
 
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This is so profoundly fucked up.

And I don’t even understand whether she actually had black eyes?

and why was this phone call recorded?
Per the tweet I think we can infer that the police asked her to call and recorded it. Which is normal - investigators often ask the victim to call and see if there's anything they can get the accused to admit to on the phone. Someone's probably in the room with her while she's doing this. Her few questions sound like prompted questions from a script that's pretty standard for these kind of calls.

I'd have to hear the whole recording to get a better idea of this, but, for whatever it's worth, in the brief clip she sounds over-pressuring and Bauer sounds evasive. Normal human dynamics apply, but also, fwiw, people are aware that sometimes these sort of calls are taped, and the police are sometimes listening. IIRC, this wasn't Bauer's first run around with this kind of situation; if so, I doubt this sort of call is going to shake any fruit loose from the tree. But there's no reason for investigators not to try.

Personally, this 4 minute clip does not move the needle all that much. Beyond that Bauer thought "slapping" during sex-play is the same as "hitting."
 
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Um. If anyone has anyone has questions about who Trevor Bauer is, go to the 7:40 mark.

18:05 is also brutal. At 19:30 Bauer's response is (IMO) farcical. Whether that's about avoiding civ/crim responsibility or pandering to the victim, or a mixture of both, I honestly can't credit it. Specifically the whole "I thought you were conscious and rational/consenting when I kept repeatedly choking you out" bit (to paraphrase.)
 
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At a certain level, Bauer has become so toxic with this shit that surrounds him that no MLB will be willing to take a chance on him. Optics matter. We've seen guys lose their MLB opportunities for far lesser sins.

Bauer is a toxic shitbag even if shown in the very best possible light. Who the hell would want this asshole on their team?
 

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It's all disconcerting and gross. What I still don't understand is did she have black eyes and the other damage? Was the video he put out fraudulent?
 

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I kind of think that this is probably the right outcome of this case (not commenting on the others). No criminal conviction, no money changes hands, and no one wants to deal with creepy ass Trevor Bauer.
 

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It's all disconcerting and gross. What I still don't understand is did she have black eyes and the other damage? Was the video he put out fraudulent?
Hill gave an interview yesterday that claimed the lighting hid the scratches and the bruises formed hours later. Not linking it b.c. don't care enough but it's widely available.

I'm of the opinion that neither are particularly decent people but I'm pretty sure I'll never hear Hill's name again after the world has moved to the next story; the same is not true for Bauer.
 

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At a certain level, Bauer has become so toxic with this shit that surrounds him that no MLB will be willing to take a chance on him. Optics matter. We've seen guys lose their MLB opportunities for far lesser sins.

Bauer is a toxic shitbag even if shown in the very best possible light. Who the hell would want this asshole on their team?
Every time Trevor Bauer is back in the news, people forget what we actually know about him and claim that by virtue of him not facing criminal penalties Bauer is somehow being punished without due process.

I just don’t get it. He’s a guy who, by his own admission, likes to beat up/choke out women during sex. For a private business to decide they don’t want to be associated with that isn’t an example of them destroying his career or denying him any kind of due process. It’s simply Bauer reaping the consequence of his own actions.
 

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Hill gave an interview yesterday that claimed the lighting hid the scratches and the bruises formed hours later. Not linking it b.c. don't care enough but it's widely available.

I'm of the opinion that neither are particularly decent people but I'm pretty sure I'll never hear Hill's name again after the world has moved to the next story; the same is not true for Bauer.
Yeah, I saw it. I'm really skeptical of her claim regarding the video, though it does seem to confirm that the timing was accurate. I'm no expert, but really didn't seem like someone who'd just been brutally beaten. But on the other hand, Trevor Bauer seems horrible. Really glad I don't know either of them.
 

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Every time Trevor Bauer is back in the news, people forget what we actually know about him and claim that by virtue of him not facing criminal penalties Bauer is somehow being punished without due process.

I just don’t get it. He’s a guy who, by his own admission, likes to beat up/choke out women during sex. For a private business to decide they don’t want to be associated with that isn’t an example of them destroying his career or denying him any kind of due process. It’s simply Bauer reaping the consequence of his own actions.
This is a decent overall write-up. The analysis is after the transcript parsing (which isn't very useful IMO). https://www.legalaffairsandtrials.com/p/never-said-that-i-wanted-to-be-punched

I think the article (and real world) take-away point for me is there was enough credible testimony at the MLB arbitration hearing to suspend Bauer under the MLB domestic violence policy. There are multiple women (4) who all seem to say (more or less) that he choked them out and violated whatever boundaries were set.

Two other points which I think are interesting are:

1) Bauer went on the offensive to try to reclaim his career. He was the one who civilly sued Hill first (defamation) rather than the other way around. For a guy with what must have been a $10M war-chest, he could have made this go away in multiple ways. But his entrenchment, I think, has not helped him at all.

2) The BDSM community is not exactly a small one. And this leads to four sub-points:
a) Actual weird shit (from a mainstream perspective) goes on between actual consenting adults every single day. And there's not a huge spiral of criminal and civil lit or accusations that erupts from this.​
b) It would be relatively easy for Trevor Bauer to safely engage with this community.​
c) If Trevor Bauer really were into BDSM or even "safe rough sex". . .he's completely incompetent. Four strikes, one could say.​
d) So while it's possible Bauer is simply an epicly incompetent fuck-up in that sphere, it's more likely he's doing something else.​
A similar subset of arguments can be applied to the idea that plenty of athletes sleep around and don't seem to have the same problems that Bauer does. So, just really really bad luck on his part? Or maybe something else?​
 

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At a certain level, Bauer has become so toxic with this shit that surrounds him that no MLB will be willing to take a chance on him. Optics matter. We've seen guys lose their MLB opportunities for far lesser sins.

Bauer is a toxic shitbag even if shown in the very best possible light. Who the hell would want this asshole on their team?
Wasn't Bauer the guy who chunked the ball into centerfield when Tito tried to take him out of a game once? Or, am I thinking of someone else. He seems like an epic asshole even before these allegations. Now that we know about them, I'm honestly disappointed that anyone, MLB or abroad, would pay him to pitch for them.
 

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Wasn't Bauer the guy who chunked the ball into centerfield when Tito tried to take him out of a game once? Or, am I thinking of someone else. He seems like an epic asshole even before these allegations. Now that we know about them, I'm honestly disappointed that anyone, MLB or abroad, would pay him to pitch for them.
Yes that was him. Tito's response to that was great: "What the FUCK do you think you're doing?"
 

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Yes that was him. Tito's response to that was great: "What the FUCK do you think you're doing?"
Wasn't Bauer the guy who chunked the ball into centerfield when Tito tried to take him out of a game once? Or, am I thinking of someone else. He seems like an epic asshole even before these allegations. Now that we know about them, I'm honestly disappointed that anyone, MLB or abroad, would pay him to pitch for them.
Yes, he was also the one who had a "drone injury" during the ALCS

Dude thinks he is the team, and would be a sideshow even if he was never accused of this stuff
 

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Wasn't Bauer the guy who chunked the ball into centerfield when Tito tried to take him out of a game once? Or, am I thinking of someone else. He seems like an epic asshole even before these allegations. Now that we know about them, I'm honestly disappointed that anyone, MLB or abroad, would pay him to pitch for them.
Also the dude who’d women on Twitter.


https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2814896-trevor-bauer-says-hell-use-twitter-more-responsibly-after-college-student-beef.amp.html
 

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I just don’t get it. He’s a guy who, by his own admission, likes to beat up/choke out women during sex. For a private business to decide they don’t want to be associated with that isn’t an example of them destroying his career or denying him any kind of due process. It’s simply Bauer reaping the consequence of his own actions.
This. And before anyone says, "Well what he does off the field shouldn't be a MLB issue," in order to get hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars per year, professional athletes aren't allowed to do a lot of things off the field. Some athletes can't ride ATVs although I'm sure they'd love to. Other guys can't sky-dive although I'm sure they'd love to. Trevor Bauer probably should give up the rough sex so long as he wants to be employed by MLB, or (as RR puts it above) get a lot better at it (and as a human being).
 

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Every time Trevor Bauer is back in the news, people forget what we actually know about him and claim that by virtue of him not facing criminal penalties Bauer is somehow being punished without due process.

I just don’t get it. He’s a guy who, by his own admission, likes to beat up/choke out women during sex. For a private business to decide they don’t want to be associated with that isn’t an example of them destroying his career or denying him any kind of due process. It’s simply Bauer reaping the consequence of his own actions.
Just so you know I'm going to copy and paste this to send to the few people in my life that are trying to defend him.
 

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I make no excuses for Bauer's off-field behavior and think he won't, nor shouldn't, get another opportunity in MLB. However, I don't recall him being considered a bad teammate in Cleveland... that was only people looking in from the outside trying to make things fit their narrative. The one bad incident he had was throwing the ball into the bleachers when he got pulled from a game, but the context of it was that he'd just gotten shelled in what he already knew was going to be his last appearance for Cleveland before getting traded. The drone thing was regrettable, but it was all in the timing of being the playoffs... non-playing injuries always get ridiculed, but there have a lot of them caused by doing more dangerous or dumber things (just read the Zach Plesac stories in the other thread, now there's a guy who was never a good teammate).

Bauer seemed to be considered more of just an odd duck among teammates, but he did have friends. He was the one who started making baseball art in the likeness of his teammates during his off-days in 2017, which was Cleveland's version of the "rally monkey" during their 22-game winning streak. He was quickly run out of Arizona, but the Dave Stewart Era Diamondbacks had an unhealthy old school jock culture where he didn't fit in. Rookies were supposed to be seen not heard, practice their meaningless interview cliches and do the same things the same way all their teammates do. A lot of his problems there were with his catcher Miguel Montero, who also later established himself as a complete asshole who jumped at the opportunity to publicly throw teammates under the bus rather than take responsibility for anything.
 

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I make no excuses for Bauer's off-field behavior and think he won't, nor shouldn't, get another opportunity in MLB. However, I don't recall him being considered a bad teammate in Cleveland... that was only people looking in from the outside trying to make things fit their narrative. The one bad incident he had was throwing the ball into the bleachers when he got pulled from a game, but the context of it was that he'd just gotten shelled in what he already knew was going to be his last appearance for Cleveland before getting traded. The drone thing was regrettable, but it was all in the timing of being the playoffs... non-playing injuries always get ridiculed, but there have a lot of them caused by doing more dangerous or dumber things (just read the Zach Plesac stories in the other thread, now there's a guy who was never a good teammate).

Bauer seemed to be considered more of just an odd duck among teammates, but he did have friends. He was the one who started making baseball art in the likeness of his teammates during his off-days in 2017, which was Cleveland's version of the "rally monkey" during their 22-game winning streak. He was quickly run out of Arizona, but the Dave Stewart Era Diamondbacks had an unhealthy old school jock culture where he didn't fit in. Rookies were supposed to be seen not heard, practice their meaningless interview cliches and do the same things the same way all their teammates do. A lot of his problems there were with his catcher Miguel Montero, who also later established himself as a complete asshole who jumped at the opportunity to publicly throw teammates under the bus rather than take responsibility for anything.
This article paints a much different picture and alludes to issues with teammates.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/feb/21/why-on-earth-is-climate-skeptic-twitter-troll-trevor-bauer-mlb-most-hated-man
 

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It really doesn't. It talks about his behavior on social media and off the field, which I in no way defended. I'm talking specifically about his role within a team/clubhouse. It refers to Miguel Montero and the D-Backs, as did I, and uses that to paint him as a bad teammate (Montero later publicly criticized his pitcher and manager with the Cubs) without pointing out any incidents with Cleveland players other than calling him a bad teammate because of his drone injury. The part where he's the bad guy for having a feud with the Astros because he said they cheat is funny though.
 

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If Bloom hadn’t traded Mookie, he’d never have known Bauer to make such dumb statements.

Jokes aside, what an idiotic, reprehensible thing to say. I don’t follow all this closely, but I remember there being some confusion about Mookie’s narration around his leaving the Sox. Maybe it turns out he’s just a weirdo.
 

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As a PS for those not on Twitter: https://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/story/2023-10-30/mookie-betts-world-series-dodgers-trevor-bauer

“My experience with Bauer is not anything remotely close to what everyone else’s experience is. I love him. I think he’s an awesome guy. The personal things? I have no control. I have no say. Obviously, nothing ever came from it.

“He’s an awesome pitcher. He’s a great guy, somebody who wants to take the mound every fifth day. But, at the end of the day, I don’t make the decision. That’s a decision that’s not as simple as baseball.”
 

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Why do you think he regrets it?
Yeah, if he regrets anything, it might that he said anything at all, not necessarily what he said.

On one level, I kinda get what he's saying. The Bauer he knew was someone he liked. He feels compelled to defend him to a degree. He's like the neighbor who says "he was a quiet guy, friendly, never saw it coming" after the guy is found to have bodies buried in his basement.

But really, the time to "get away" with that kind of naivety is shortly after the accusations come out, not years later when he's been suspended and effectively blackballed because there was some truth to the accusations. Saying it now is just purposefully minimizing the bad to make himself feel better about having befriended Bauer at all.
 

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But really, the time to "get away" with that kind of naivety is shortly after the accusations come out, not years later when he's been suspended and effectively blackballed because there was some truth to the accusations.
I have a feeling that is mainly because of the suspension & him fighting it. And the suspension was 100% about the Dodgers trying to get out of his contract and not any of the cases. I guess in that respect I could see players being unhappy about the Dodgers trying that.
 

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You never go full Kutcher.

I think it's easy enough to say you enjoyed playing with him & had good experiences with him personally without handwaving away the things he's been accused of & speaking to the quality of his character.
 

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Fucking gross. I'm disappointed in Mookie. That said, time and again people judge others by their interactions with them independent of whatever happens "off screen."