Mike'd Up: The Mike Francesa Show

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leftfieldlegacy said:
I heard him earlier in the show brushing off a caller who asked about the Giants cheating when they would open and close the doors at one end of the old Giant stadium when the opposing teams were attempting field goals.
 
Paraphrasing his response:
That stuff that happens on the field like that is not cheating. Did you see them open the doors--where were you sitting? When the caller would not back down-- How do you know that any field goals were affected by that, you don't know that. And pumping in crowd noise is not cheating. I'm talking about things done off the field by coaches like taping a walk-through. That's cheating. 
 
I'm hoping that Pats fans show up in droves in CT tomorrow. 
 
In a similar vein, why doesn't he worry that Belichick cheated to win his Super Bowls with the Giants?
 

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ifmanis5 said:
Seriously, what a clown. Baits for ratings but backs down when it gets real. At least Russo would have some fun with it.
Yes, he should have gone for a confrontation with Patriots fans at a Yankees themed charity event.
 

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In today's NY Post, Phil Mushnick debunks FFF's claim on air that he went 4-1 on Uber Bowl bets.  He says that his recorded utterances show him going 2-4.
 
Why lie about stuff like that when it's recorded?  Did he place the bets from a helicopter in Iraq that was hit by an RPG?
 

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Read ‘Right 88′
Now to Francesa (and thanks for your patience).
Reader Rich Meyerson asks if we think this is a coincidence: This week Sitting Bull claimed vivid recall of what he expertly termed “Red Right 88.”
That was the decisive, needless Brian Sipe pass intercepted late in the 1981 Raiders-Browns playoff game — a play known (mostly in Cleveland and Oakland) as “Red Right 88,” and written as “Red Right 88” in that day’s Post, seen right in front of Francesa?
Coincidence? What do you think, Rich?
Then there was “Let’s Be Honest’s” claim that he went 4-1 in Super Bowl “proposition bets” — such as over/unders on sacks.
Given that YouTube, unlike WFAN, doesn’t lose tapes, he actually went 2-2. And, as reader Raider Dave reminds, add that to the fact that he predicted Seattle, 23-20, thus Seattle and the under — boing! — his 4-1 day actually was 2-4. Still, not bad — for him.
 
 
http://nypost.com/2015/02/07/espn-avoids-analysis-by-its-experts-in-controversy/
 

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Buster Olney the Lonely said:
Nah, he's spent the last couple of days carrying Dolan's water.
Really? He's pro-Dolan?? What a clown. The Jets are a terrible organization with a crappy owner but the Knicks are a Swiss watch? Oh, Mike.
 

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ifmanis5 said:
Really? He's pro-Dolan?? What a clown. The Jets are a terrible organization with a crappy owner but the Knicks are a Swiss watch? Oh, Mike.
Yeah, he and Dolan are friends. To be fair he said that Dolan never should have responded to the fan. Kept saying that when you're in the public eye (as Mike is) you have an obligation to block out the noise. Never attack the customers. Mike has these delusions that he has thick skin and nothing ever gets to him.

Today he was saying that Dolan made a mistake but should not be punished. Just minimized the whole thing.
 

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Buster Olney the Lonely said:
Mike has these delusions that he has thick skin and nothing ever gets to him.
“They’ve never even been on the landscape as far as I’m concerned. I’ve never even seen them. I can’t even find them in the rear-view mirror. Never have in 20 years. Still can’t find them, so what am I worried about? Which part of my career is going badly? I’ve been on the same show 28 years. I was No. 1 in 1989 with Dog. I’m No. 1 today. Last time I looked it’s 2014. I’m still No. 1. I’ve got a long-term contract, beautiful family. I’ve got Mink here. What else would I want? Here’s the Mink Man.”
 

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Omar's Wacky Neighbor said:
Didnt he say last year that he turned down a FO job offer from the Mets, or something like that....?
 
I thought it was a high-ranking position in Eisenhower's Cabinet.
 

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TheWizard said:
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwDCqmPHth8[/media]
 
 
 
"opening his mouth voraciously, as if to devour all the earth with all its mankind"
 

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I think I'd rather spend an hour with Peter King than with Francesa.  
 

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Even in the ancient NFL -- when drafts lasted days and teams were plucking players based on Sporting News summaries -- it is inconceivable he was offered a personnel spot. The guy made his bones covering college basketball. He has lost his mind.
 

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dcmissle said:
Even in the ancient NFL -- when drafts lasted days and teams were plucking players based on Sporting News summaries -- it is inconceivable he was offered a personnel spot. The guy made his bones covering college basketball. He has lost his mind.
You're assuming the job offer was in making football decisions. I'm guessing it was with media relations but he's leaving that part out. I'm sure what's left being unsaid is to his benefit vis-a-vis making him look football smart. Which he isn't.
 

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ifmanis5 said:
You're assuming the job offer was in making football decisions. I'm guessing it was with media relations but he's leaving that part out. I'm sure what's left being unsaid is to his benefit vis-a-vis making him look football smart. Which he isn't.
 
Why not ticket-taker or hot dog vendor when he was a teenager?
 

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I bet the back- story is when he and Parcells were inhaling disco fries and sloppy Joes at the Moonachie Diner in '90, Parcells made a comment in jest, that FF ran with.   
 

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I bet the back- story is when he and Parcells were inhaling disco fries and sloppy Joes at the Moonachie Diner in '90, Parcells made a comment in jest, that FF ran with.   
Agreed. And after a belt or two of some booze Bill probably got him up to Vice President in charge of fat guy pants.
 

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Media people moving to teams in a PR/Communications/Marketing role is commonplace. As long as he wasn't talking about an assistant GM position or something, this is easily believable, even with just small NFL connections. I've worked my entire career in basketball, but was reached out to by the Chiefs for a job. It happens all the time.
 

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I'd bet this happened a while ago.  Remember -- Mike used to be pretty sharp:
 
Francesa started his career by spending six years at College and Pro Football Newsweekly. He was hired by CBS Sports in 1982 as a researcher, focusing primarily on college sports.[1] In CBS Sports, he was initially a behind-the-scenes, statistic-wielding editorial assistant, but network executives were so impressed by his knowledge that he was made a studio analyst for college basketball and football[2] and acquired such a reputation that The New Yorkertermed him "Brent Musburger’s brain."[3]
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Francesa
 
I could definitely see a team asking him to be a low-level "quality control" assistant or something like that given his knowledge at the time.  But this would've been 30 years ago -- maybe when Parcells was coaching the Giants -- not any time recently.    
 

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Caller asked FFF if he knows so much about sports why wasn't he ever a coach.  FFF actually entertained the question instead of considering it some sort of dig, he said he had turned down a coaching job when an opportunity opened up "in '92 or '93" with an NFL team, but would have had to have taken a pay cut so he never took the job.  Didn't name the team.  Hmmm...his boy Parcells got the Pats head coaching job in '93, and brought in virtually everyone he knew from New York as his assistants.  Wouldn't it be ironic if this vaguely defined coaching opportunity FFF turned down was with the Pats?
 

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A coaching job?
 
There is no fucking way.
 
He's essentially Joe Blow Sportsfan from Long Island. There are literally thousands of Mikes across the tri-state area--guys who grew up obsessed with sports, sports trivia, and who watch and read everything about it. He was lucky enough to have a way about him that was dynamic on the radio--his peers really are the people calling in to his show. Any marginal knowledge he has on the subject over and above these peers is 100% about being able to think about sports and nothing else without the realities of a job taking away that time/ focus. And even then...
 
There is no fucking way.
 

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JohntheBaptist said:
 
He's essentially Joe Blow Sportsfan from Long Island. There are literally thousands of Mikes across the tri-state area--guys who grew up obsessed with sports, sports trivia, and who watch and read everything about it. He was lucky enough to have a way about him that was dynamic on the radio--his peers really are the people calling in to his show. Any marginal knowledge he has on the subject over and above these peers is 100% about being able to think about sports and nothing else without the realities of a job taking away that time/ focus. And even then...
 
There is no fucking way.
 
[London, 1969]
 
Mick:  Oy, Keith, 'oo we gonna get to replace Brian?  
Keith: I dunno, man.  We need a cat that can really play.  There's this Mick Taylor fella I've been hearin' a lot about.
Mick: Well, how about instead a' dat, we get a bloke that TALKS about music.
Keith: Like who?
Mick: Well, this chap 'oo's been a bit of a mate over the States.  He writes a lot about rock and roll.  Goes by the name Jann.  Jann Wenner.
Keith: Wait, so he can play AND write? Like...Write songs?
Mick: Ey, no.  See, he WRITES about MUSIC.
Keith: But 'ee don't wail?  Can this cat SING?
Mick: Nope.
Keith: Sounds great! Let's call him up!
 

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JohntheBaptist said:
 
He's essentially Joe Blow Sportsfan from Long Island. There are literally thousands of Mikes across the tri-state area--guys who grew up obsessed with sports, sports trivia, and who watch and read everything about it. He was lucky enough to have a way about him that was dynamic on the radio--his peers really are the people calling in to his show. Any marginal knowledge he has on the subject over and above these peers is 100% about being able to think about sports and nothing else without the realities of a job taking away that time/ focus. And even then...
 
There is no fucking way.
 
Again:
 
Francesa started his career by spending six years at College and Pro Football Newsweekly. He was hired by CBS Sports in 1982 as a researcher, focusing primarily on college sports.[1] In CBS Sports, he was initially a behind-the-scenes, statistic-wielding editorial assistant, but network executives were so impressed by his knowledge that he was made a studio analyst for college basketball and football[2] and acquired such a reputation that The New Yorkertermed him "Brent Musburger’s brain."[3]
 
Joe Blow Sportsfan does not have that resume.  And again, I'm not saying anything about what FF's abilities are TODAY -- I'm just saying that there was a point at which people were actually quite impressed with his football knowledge and he was making a living based on that knowledge.
 

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nattysez said:
 
Again:
 
 
Joe Blow Sportsfan does not have that resume.  And again, I'm not saying anything about what FF's abilities are TODAY -- I'm just saying that there was a point at which people were actually quite impressed with his football knowledge and he was making a living based on that knowledge.
He's a professional sports fan. Don't really see him or Patton Oswalt from "Big Fan" getting a coaching offer.
 

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JTB is correct.  He was a star researcher for CBS and correctly predicted that Seton Hall would make it to the NCAA Finals in 1989.  His resume should have said, "Howie Schwab, only more miserable and slightly fatter".  We're not talking about Ernie Adams.  
 
Dismissing FF in the 1980s and early 90s as nothing more than a super-fan is contrary to the evidence, but I've got no interest in defending FF given what he's become, so I'll stop.  
 

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as a not very proud reader of the New York Post, i am annoyed on almost a daily basis by the rants of Phil Mushnick as he continually goes nuts over mistakes made by various media types about situations that are beyond trivial. But I gotta admit that he comes close to redeeming himself by his obsession about all the bullshit that is foisted upon us by Francesa. He picks up on almost every piece of bullshit, misinformaton, false predictions, bogus claims that pour out of Mike's pompous mouth.
 

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nattysez said:
 
Dismissing FF in the 1980s and early 90s as nothing more than a super-fan is contrary to the evidence, but I've got no interest in defending FF given what he's become, so I'll stop.  
Just to be clear- i'm not knocking his knowledge at all. He knows his stuff. Has done his film homework, as they say.

Long Island is lousy with those guys though. He has no practical background in the sport however, and has basically gotten all this "knowledge" from the same sort of obsession those not on the radio may have. Theres nothing about his background at all that would compel you to hire him as a coach on a pro football team, that was really my point.
 
nattysez said:
 
Dismissing FF in the 1980s and early 90s as nothing more than a super-fan is contrary to the evidence, but I've got no interest in defending FF given what he's become, so I'll stop.  
I worked at CBS Sports right after he left. He would stop by occasionally. I can tell you for a fact, he was not regarded as some sort of sports savant with any special insight. Just an opinionated loudmouth who found his niche on radio. Again, he was held in high esteem as a researcher from his early days at CBS (pre-internet that was a real skill) but that's about it. Maybe you know something I don't, but I'm telling you his bosses and coworkers didn't express it. They often mocked him behind his back for being kind of a stubborn idiot.