Microballing: Steve Ballmer's LA Clippers

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I may get roasted for this, but it seems to me there is a potentially more innocuous (or less repulsive) way to interpret these comments. This is an old man with a super hot young mistress/girlfriend and sounds quite insecure about their relationship. Perhaps his obsession with race is more about the fact that she is black (or part) and he is not, which leads to more insecurity. The assumption seems to be what he is saying is "don't rub your relationships with black people in my face because I don't like them." Might he not really be saying, don't rub your relationships with black people in my face, because I am more threatened by them because I am concerned you may have a deeper bond or at least a connection that I cannot have with you"? Would that make in any different? Better? Worse?

As for the point about surreptitious recording, maybe the discomfort comes from the fact that most or all of us have two-minute segments of our private lives that if made public would be embarrassing, and may very well not be an accurate reflection of who we really are. That seems less troubling here, where there seem to be indications these comments and thoughts are not outliers.
 

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I find it interesting, in light of the public persona that Magic sells, that Sterling seems to assume that Magic is still fucking every young girl that takes a picture with him.  If that is true, I also find it interesting that this 21 year managed to have simultaneous affairs with two billionaire sports owners. She is going to make a fuckton selling that story. 
 

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DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
I may get roasted for this, but it seems to me there is a potentially more innocuous (or less repulsive) way to interpret these comments. This is an old man with a super hot young mistress/girlfriend and sounds quite insecure about their relationship. Perhaps his obsession with race is more about the fact that she is black (or part) and he is not, which leads to more insecurity. The assumption seems to be what he is saying is "don't rub your relationships with black people in my face because I don't like them." Might he not really be saying, don't rub your relationships with black people in my face, because I am more threatened by them because I am concerned you may have a deeper bond or at least a connection that I cannot have with you"? Would that make in any different? Better? Worse?

As for the point about surreptitious recording, maybe the discomfort comes from the fact that most or all of us have two-minute segments of our private lives that if made public would be embarrassing, and may very well not be an accurate reflection of who we really are. That seems less troubling here, where there seem to be indications these comments and thoughts are not outliers.
Your possible interpretation MIGHT be a tiny bit plausible, had Sterlings history says he is a horrible racist.
 

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I agree with all of that,  I guess my point is that 1.) the fact that this woman is young and attractive and is dating an old billionaire isn't the part that's noteworthy, it's that she may have illegally recorded him and 2.) openly racist team owners certainly aren't common these days but considering the fact that Sterling has owned the team for 33 years and has been a racist shitbird the entire time kinda dulls the shock for me I guess.  
 
The second point's a good one, but this will have far greater impact on the franchise than his previous shitheadedry.  Magic, Lebron, Simmons and Jalen Rose have all said he needs to go, I suspect the TNT crew will echo that, and many players as well.  Jalen Rose looked pretty pained when talking about it.  Doc too.  Sterling has to get out asap, but there's a non-zero chance he goes nuclear and forces the league to force him out.
 
To your first point, maybe I'm too cynical to think that the woman recording him speaks to something particularly noteworthy about society. I don't see it as much more than a should-be unnecessary cautionary tale for 80-year-olds who are shtupping 20-year-olds to just go ahead and assume that all their blackmail-worthy conversations are being recorded.
 

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She's 21, he's 81. He is married. He gave her $1.8M in flights, trips and other gifts. He knows she is sleeping with other people and is OK with it.

She sounds not like a girlfriend or mistress but like a high-end escort.
 
I'm not sure exactly how that matters, aside from maybe adding workplace racial harassment to Sterling's list of wrongs.
 

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If I read it right, the league HAS been trying to get him to sell for some time now, and he just refuses. What are they going to do, try harder?

Maybe the answer isn't boycotting Clippers home games, but boycotting their AWAY games. You start taking money out of Sterling pocket? He's got plenty and might consider it merely a "fuck you fee"...but if you start taking it out of every other owners pockets, they might be more motivated to be rid of him

Interesting, though, that this happens just as a new commissioner starts his work...
 

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The NBA needs to fine him. How can they not when they fine Cuban every time he (most often rightfully) speaks his mind?  That would mean the NBA is basically saying "you cant call out our officials for doing a shitty job, but its OK to belittle the ethnicity of the majority of people that are responsible for making us all our money"
 

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The NBA needs to fine him. How can they not when they fine Cuban every time he (most often rightfully) speaks his mind?  That would mean the NBA is basically saying "you cant call out our officials for doing a shitty job, but its OK to belittle the ethnicity of the majority of people that are responsible for making us all our money"
 
Is there a precedent for the NBA fining a person for a private conversation which was surreptitiously recorded?  Cuban has been fined for making public statements.  This is different.  My point is, I don't think the NBA can fine him
 

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The NBA needs to fine him. How can they not when they fine Cuban every time he (most often rightfully) speaks his mind?  That would mean the NBA is basically saying "you cant call out our officials for doing a shitty job, but its OK to belittle the ethnicity of the majority of people that are responsible for making us all our money"
 
Public vs private statements? Sterling is a bad guy, and if the NBA can fine him, that's great. But then what? A racist billionaire pays a fine it is ok to support his team but if a racist billionaire doesnt pay a fine.....boycott? I'm just a "privileged shithead" but to me this just looks like a racism tax, i.e. it's ok to be a bigot if you can afford the tax. So Sterling pays his tax...then what? The world taught him to make sure his private conversations arent taped or is the fine going to somehow cure him of his racism? Sterling is a racist (at least when it comes to "the instagram") and a fine is not going to change that. League officials already knew he was a racist, now they have a PR problem. 
 

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Is there a precedent for the NBA fining a person for a private conversation which was surreptitiously recorded?  Cuban has been fined for making public statements.  This is different.  My point is, I don't think the NBA can fine him
I'm not sure Sterling is in a strong position to argue his punishment (if deserved). Does he want a public hearing where past transgressions might be aired?
 
A monetary fine is irrelevant in this situation. If the taped statements are accurate the NBA should suspend Sterling's ownership rights and privileges for some time period. Shame is more powerful tool. IMO NBA should treat Sterling as MLB treated  Stenbrenner and Schott.
 

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I understand the whole public vs private, but this is not the first time his racism has been an issue. Despite how it was obtained, these aren't comments that someone is alleging to have overheard.  Its an audio file that has now been made public.  The NBA cant use how they were obtained as an excuse to sweep this under the rug.  If Silver does punish him, I think it would serve him well in that even if some don't agree with how the facts were obtained, he shows a willingness to protect the image of the NBA and that it wont tolerate racism
 

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Public vs private statements? Sterling is a bad guy, and if the NBA can fine him, that's great. But then what? A racist billionaire pays a fine it is ok to support his team but if a racist billionaire doesnt pay a fine.....boycott? I'm just a "privileged shithead" but to me this just looks like a racism tax, i.e. it's ok to be a bigot if you can afford the tax. So Sterling pays his tax...then what? The world taught him to make sure his private conversations arent taped or is the fine going to somehow cure him of his racism? Sterling is a racist (at least when it comes to "the instagram") and a fine is not going to change that. League officials already knew he was a racist, now they have a PR problem. 
 
This is a very interesting point.  No matter what the fine is, Sterling's going to pay it, and when he does, that will be the "price" of racism.  I kind of hope they DON'T fine him, to be honest.  What the hell is the point of fining a freaking billionaire anyway?
 

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Word is the clippers players may wear their team issued gear inside out in a statement of protest. I doubt the league will fine them, and it's a good way to register their displeasure in a way that will attract notice.
 

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Forget the facts for a second.  My question is what can the NBA or Silver actually do to punish an owner under any circumstances?  For example, if they found an owner fixing games or the like, what could the league actually do as far as punishing the owner?  Most of the discipline I can think of are things that would have a direct effect on the team (suspension, forfeiting games, etc.).  In this case, how do you punish an owner, while also not punishing the players and coaches of the team, because they sure as hell don't deserve to be lumped into whatever repercussions he faces? 
 
I keep reading people say that he shouldn't be allowed to attend games, but does he own the stadium?  How do you tell a guy that owns a building and the team that they can't attend a game, and what happens if he does?  Can they actually take away the team and what is the mechanism in place to do that, because he would surely need to receive fair value compensation?  How do you suspend him from running his organization?  Who now manages the executives and management and all of the other folks that report to him, like the finances department and HR and everyone else you find in a large organization?  Again, how do you enforce that?  Whatever the punishment is, I'm fine with it, but I keep reading and hearing people say that Silver has to act swiftly and take action, and I'm just racking my brain trying to think of what kind of action he can take, both legally and in practice.
 

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Maybe the answer isn't boycotting Clippers home games, but boycotting their AWAY games. You start taking money out of Sterling pocket? He's got plenty and might consider it merely a "fuck you fee"...but if you start taking it out of every other owners pockets, they might be more motivated to be rid of him
I agree with this. I've heard from a few different people who'd be in a position to (peripherally) know that the NBA constitution basically lets the other owners contractually force anything they want. If it gets bad enough, the other owners (and Silver) have options.

Silver can unilaterally suspend him from attending any games indefinitely, though, and Sterling doesn't own the building so it's not like he has an option there.
 

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This Sterling mess is on Stern. This is his shitty legacy. Stern had decades to remove this clown but instead spent his time ripping the Sonics from Seattle and loading the ref roster with stooges. The Sterling can was kicked down the road so many times. Eventually it fucks you and the league deserves this, but Silver doesn't. Cleaning up after Stern, a long and depressing job indeed.
How is this on Stern? Sterling was Stern's boss, one of thirty. It's on the other owners to deal with stuff. Stern never did anything the owners didn't tacitly agree with or explicitly want to happen. Depending on the issue, he was at most an advisor and sometimes merely a messnger.
Stern only does stuff the owners want, and they apparently wanted to keep this fool around.

I'm not a Stern fan but sports fans think he was in charge, like Tony Soprano or something, when he was only the face of those that were in charge, which includes Sterling. Whatever happens to Sterling will be dictated by his fellow owners. Silver will merely be the messenger.
 

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I don't think Sterling's girlfriend/mistress/whatever is an important part of the story, but I find your characterization of her as someone who was "bought and treated like a sub-human," in the absence of a shred of evidence suggesting the arrangement was less than entirely consensual, to be more sexist than the comments you are railing against. She's a grown woman who has intentionally placed herself in the public eye; she should expect her actions (and her curious relationship with Donald Sterling) to be scrutinized. Suggesting that such scrutiny is comparable to saying a rape victim "asked for it" is way, way off base.

It's clear from your posting history that you are the farthest thing from a sexist, so please take this in the spirit in which it's intended.
 
I may be guilty of synthesizing a conclusion here: an 80-year old man does not have a 20-year old girlfriend (and a wife) without money being at the top of the list of reasons why the relationship exists in the first place. Sterling's long history of racial insensitivity (being kind) and prior record of public statements about those lower than he in the power structure (read: everyone) informs my opinion that Donald Sterling "bought" his mistress. The $1.8M in "gifts" certainly supports that idea. As for the "treated like a sub-human", I'll agree I am speculating - but again, given what we know, it does seem likely that there's more than a little "plantation owner" in Donald Sterling's character and makeup. 
 
She's a 20 year old woman attracted by the money and power of a billionaire. This is not a relationship born of equality. She may be doing this to "get paid" because she's a "gold-digger" but those too are assumptions and made from much less evidence than my assumptions about Sterling's motivations and/or behavior. Suggesting that she is anywhere as "bad" as Sterling is, IMO, silly and uninformed. She is, for all intents and purposes, a very young woman who was seduced by money and power and then found out WHY Sterling has to buy and pay for a very young woman like her. 
 
Exposing him for what he is (and has been known, for a long time, to be) is not enough for me to condemn her. It is not enough to suggest that she is somehow responsible for creating a slippery slope into 4th amendment violations and the taping of everyone, everywhere. It really is not enough to condemn her for that act, given the inequity of power she was (and will continue) dealing with as this story chugs along. 
 
My initial reply was in response to the idea that she was a "high end escort". A prostitute. Which carries its own huge set of baggage into any discussion of male-female relationships, power and money. I still think that is a highly inappropriate comparison to invoke and I do acknowledge that crystaline did not intend for it to read that way. 
 
But this would be "cleaner" (no pun intended) if she had been a "high end prosititute" who taped a billionaire making racist remarks. That is in, in fact, a very young woman who may or may not have "after the money" complicates things, but only a little. Because you (maufman) are correct - she is largely irrelevant to this story. Not to the discussion in this thread, though, which is why I felt compelled to respond. All the posts describing her as a "gold-digger" or focusing on her motives do miss the point.
 
Billionaires get to do what they want. Sterling will not be held accountable or face any real consequences for his words or his thinking, as repugnant as fans or his employees or NBA talking heads find it. Because he is a billionaire, he makes the rules and he decides when to comply and he has control. So, shitting on the very young woman he bought (and probably treated poorly) is distasteful. She got used, like Sterling uses every body.
 

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I agree with all of that,  I guess my point is that 1.) the fact that this woman is young and attractive and is dating an old billionaire isn't the part that's noteworthy, it's that she may have illegally recorded him and 2.) openly racist team owners certainly aren't common these days but considering the fact that Sterling has owned the team for 33 years and has been a racist shitbird the entire time kinda dulls the shock for me I guess.  
 
Considering how angry the Clippers and other NBA players seem to be, I think it's fair to say even people who had a vague idea of Sterling's racism were shocked that it extended this far. I mean, this is beyond ridiculous:
 
 
V: I don't understand, I don't see your views. I wasn't raised the way you were raised.
DS: Well then, if you don't feel—don't come to my games. Don't bring black people, and don't come.
V: Do you know that you have a whole team that's black, that plays for you?
DS: You just, do I know? I support them and give them food, and clothes, and cars, and houses. Who gives it to them? Does someone else give it to them? Do I know that I have—Who makes the game? Do I make the game, or do they make the game? Is there 30 owners, that created the league?
 
Illegal recording is very, very low on the noteworthiness part of this story for me. I think Sterling being a public figure differentiates this case from the more nettlesome issue of "what is the societal impact of ordinary people always being recordable". I always did like that US laws made the burden of proof for defamation cases higher for public figures - seems to be the only aspect of law with a standard that goes against the wealthy and influential.
 

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Considering how angry the Clippers and other NBA players seem to be, I think it's fair to say even people who had a vague idea of Sterling's racism were shocked that it extended this far. I mean, this is beyond ridiculous:
 
 
Illegal recording is very, very low on the noteworthiness part of this story for me. I think Sterling being a public figure differentiates this case from the more nettlesome issue of "what is the societal impact of ordinary people always being recordable". I always did like that US laws made the burden of proof for defamation cases higher for public figures - seems to be the only aspect of law with a standard that goes against the wealthy and influential.
According to Deadspin, he knew he was being recorded and they often tape their conversations.
 
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Doc, might not want to come back to LAC next year…… Nice one Sterling
so . . .
 
Boston to LAC:
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Boston to BKN:
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LAC to Boston:
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LAC to BKN:
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singaporesoxfan said:
 
Considering how angry the Clippers and other NBA players seem to be, I think it's fair to say even people who had a vague idea of Sterling's racism were shocked that it extended this far. I mean, this is beyond ridiculous:
 
 
Illegal recording is very, very low on the noteworthiness part of this story for me. I think Sterling being a public figure differentiates this case from the more nettlesome issue of "what is the societal impact of ordinary people always being recordable". I always did like that US laws made the burden of proof for defamation cases higher for public figures - seems to be the only aspect of law with a standard that goes against the wealthy and influential.
 

The public figure libel argument is relevant only to the publications that are reporting on the story. Public figures have no right to privacy, but they are still protected from untruthful reporting, which no one would claim here. Private figures can successfully sue the reporting of facts if there are damages and the expectation of privacy (I think the relevant case quoted is a woman who was raped suing for damages after her name was published as a rape victim).

Sterling is still protected if California law prevents the recording from being made in the first place. That would apply regardless of whether he's a public figure.

Such a strange case. I hope there's a way Silver can force him to sell the team. I still think there is a public trust in owning a sports franchise, and a public interest in ensuring that all people are welcome to attend games. Not depending on a macabre version of the Kevin Bacon degrees of separation game - with Magic Johnson's Johnson playing the role of Bacon's cast lists.
 

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Sterling is still protected if California law prevents the recording from being made in the first place. That would apply regardless of whether he's a public figure.
 
I didn't mean to imply that Sterling isn't protected by the current California law. I meant that my feelings - not my non-lawyerly legal judgement - about the appropriateness of releasing an illegal recording of a private conversation (assuming Sterling didn't know he was being recorded) are altered because he is a public figure.
 

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PC Drunken Friar said:
According to Deadspin, he knew he was being recorded and they often tape their conversations.
 
 
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https://twitter.com/BillPlaschke/status/460504529012654080
 
I don't know what to make of this.
 
this story just gets more and more bizarre -- but did I read right that the NAACP was about to give him a lifetime achievement award? for what....discriminatory housing practices?
 
(don't answer, i can guess: donations aka blood money)
 

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@jadande: Doc Rivers: "Were going home now. Usually that would mean we're going to our safe haven. And I dont even know if thats true."
Well on the bright side, Doc doesn't have to rebuild.
 

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The repulsively selfish part of me is hoping that Doc and Chris Paul jump ship this offseason, the Clippers collapse, and the Celtics collect a number one draft pick.
 

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This is all well and good, but completely doesn't jive with Sterlings history of treating black people.
I'm rarely so amused by malapropism.
 

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The repulsively selfish part of me is hoping that Doc and Chris Paul jump ship this offseason, the Clippers collapse, and the Celtics collect a number one draft pick.
 
Why just that part?  Doesn't the rest of you think it's a good idea too?
 

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I'll steal it from someone on V&N who posited that it will be a good thing when his generation dies away. I was working at a clinic out in central Montana a month ago or so and was chatting with this old man from Jordan, Mt while he waited for an appointment and I waited for a clinician. The old man was pretty pleasant. A younger couple came in and the gal went and sat on the other side of the office and the young guy sat over near me and old man. Old man recognized him as being from Jordan. Young man asked old man how things were going and he responded, "good, except for that darkie in the White House". My head snapped and the young guy cringed. Thankfully the gal came and got me immediately after the comment, but christ, WTF is wrong with people.

Another thing, while the secondary story of the girlfriend surreptitiously taping the conversation is interesting. How the fuck was the LA NAACP scheduled to give this asshole a lifetime achievement award a few weeks from now?

My feel is that his mouth ran like this with regularity and she finally got sick of it or decided to get out from under a lawsuit or whatever. I'm betting it was easy for her to tape him saying shit like this.
 

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Another thing, while the secondary story of the girlfriend surreptitiously taping the conversation is interesting. How the fuck was the LA NAACP scheduled to give this asshole a lifetime achievement award a few weeks from now?
It's got to be payback for money right?  It's pretty disgusting.
 

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So Woj says the next move is for Magic and his financial backers to buy the Clippers, who want them badly to build a "Southern California sports empire," since he can't have the Lakers.
 
yhoo.it/1mQJNuf 
 
Didn't see that coming.