Matt Dermody DFA’d (released 6/16)

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Pretty sure they became stuck with him the day Bloom “talked to him” about his tweets, therefore going on record that they knew what kind of person he is, and signed him anyway. This is Dan Duquette trying to claim he didn’t know what kind of person Wilfredo Cordero was all over again
They can cut him and “Mitch Miller” him. Pay him and say “we’ve learned a lesson and we will do better next time”, even if they don’t mean it.
 

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weird question, but with the MILB players now having a union could the Sox be trying to figure out a way to cut him that would not cause them to file a grievance?


Given the union would accuse the sox of cutting someone based of their beliefs and not their performance
AS THEY SHOULD!

Perhaps not in the eyes of employment law (for which adverse decisions are adverse decisions, I think), but in labor relations it is a very different thing to choose to pass on acquiring someone because you’re wary of their odious views (or the consequential PR snafu) and firing someone you employ because of their views.

Look, Dermody’s views are objectively harmful. But this is America. Almost everybody’s views are harmful in some respect, across boundaries of race, gender, sexuality, political affiliation, ability, national origin, etc. That’s part of life on expropriated land as a citizen of a global hegemon that employs strategic bombing more frequently than some countries conduct a census, usually rendering otherwise-inoffensive ideas (say, “human rights”) objectively harmful in the process, by press-ganging them into service as justifications for barbarism. That’s what the inequitable distribution of power does to ideas: it warps them.

(Bucking the trend, my own views are scrupulously perfect in every respect.)

Christianity is great. It’s also incredibly diverse and flexible enough to contain some strains (like, it seems pretty clear, Dermody’s Christianity) that are mostly just a flimsy pretense for bigotry against marginalized people. (One could say something similar about our leaders’ empty invocations of human rights as drone strikes rain down on Yemeni weddings.)

Was Christ’s message in the Gospels *really* that the socially marginalized or those who fail some sort of test of sexual respectability were damned? I’ve read the Bible (yup, the whole thing!) and I’d judge that the case is nearer the opposite.

Sounds like Matt Dermody disagrees with me. But I don’t think any of us think that an employer should be able to fire someone for doing theology badly or having terrible politics.

What happens when the Rockies’ ownership — which has stated publicly that they like acquiring players who are born again — releases someone for expressing solidarity with gay people, or for coming out? What would you want the Players’ Association to do in a case like that?
 

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They can cut him and “Mitch Miller” him. Pay him and say “we’ve learned a lesson and we will do better next time”, even if they don’t mean it.
If they cut him, I can’t see any other organization that’s going to sign him at this point, it’s become a known issue. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if he files a lawsuit against the team claiming they ruined his reputation and made it impossible to find work. I think it absolutely goes without saying they’ll say this without meaning it
 

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If they cut him, I can’t see any other organization that’s going to sign him at this point, it’s become a known issue. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if he files a lawsuit against the team claiming they ruined his reputation and made it impossible to find work. I think it absolutely goes without saying they’ll say this without meaning it
Then they can say nothing and he ruined his own reputation. Or I did, for fuck’s sake. Let him sue me.
 

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People think that fear of a lawsuit that could cost them, what, a few hundred thousand dollars, is the reason they haven’t dumped Dermody?
 

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I just sent a very long and sternly worded missive to the most senior person I know at the Red Sox.

I encourage others to do the same, or write to the Globe or Herald or other media
I sent one to Chaim on Monday. He responded today with:

“Thanks for your note. See today’s Globe if you want for details; we normally have a really robust due diligence process but we just missed some stuff here. I don’t think people should forever be the worst thing they’ve said on social media, but we didn’t have the whole picture and so didn’t address it the right way. Can’t undo this, but we’ll do better.”

Chaim

I am taking it to mean the kid is toast, but who knows.
 

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I sent one to Chaim on Monday. He responded today with:

“Thanks for your note. See today’s Globe if you want for details; we normally have a really robust due diligence process but we just missed some stuff here. I don’t think people should forever be the worst thing they’ve said on social media, but we didn’t have the whole picture and so didn’t address it the right way. Can’t undo this, but we’ll do better.”

Chaim

I am taking it to mean the kid is toast, but who knows.
He’s pitching tonight, so not toast.
 

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If they cut him, I can’t see any other organization that’s going to sign him at this point, it’s become a known issue. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if he files a lawsuit against the team claiming they ruined his reputation and made it impossible to find work. I think it absolutely goes without saying they’ll say this without meaning it
If any other team wanted him they would have taken him when he was on waivers.
 

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If any other team wanted him they would have taken him when he was on waivers.
That’s not true, if they had taken him then, he has to go on the 40 man. If he is released, he can sign wherever without having to go on their 40 man.
 

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Shouldn't this thread be closed by now? We're all on the same page here -- we wish he was gone, we don't get why management still employs him, and are upset that they do.
The social/cultural/religious posts are all better suited for the V&N thread.
Discussions that circle back on themselves about the same 2-3 points don't accomplish anything at this stage. When/if they cut him for good, it'll be noted with dozens of "better late than never" posts, and we'll move on to something else.
 

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I find it hard to believe that there were no other options while newspapers and online sources have been covering this, including USA Today, CBS, New York Post, ESPN, etc. This isn't just some local story, and it isn't just about one tweet.
 
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