Matt Dermody DFA’d (released 6/16)

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Don't think anyone's mentioned this yet, but assuming he passes through waivers after being DFA'ed would the Red Sox consider sending him back to Worcester? As far as I can tell there's been a much greater volume of negative comments about him on this board than from fans at large (I don't listen to talk radio so don't know if or how much it's been discussed there), how much does this matter to Bloom and ownership? I doubt there are many here who would want to see that happen, I sure wouldn't.
 

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Don't think anyone's mentioned this yet, but assuming he passes through waivers after being DFA'ed would the Red Sox consider sending him back to Worcester? As far as I can tell there's been a much greater volume of negative comments about him on this board than from fans at large (I don't listen to talk radio so don't know if or how much it's been discussed there), how much does this matter to Bloom and ownership? I doubt there are many here who would want to see that happen, I sure wouldn't.
I suggested in a couple of the threads that as a normal fungible player he'd be picked back up, like Ort, but considering all the crap that he is covered with, if the Sox did so, they'd be pilloried and boycotted.

I really hope they are smarter than to give him another 'nother chance
 

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I suggested in a couple of the threads that as a normal fungible player he'd be picked back up, like Ort, but considering all the crap that he is covered with, if the Sox did so, they'd be pilloried and boycotted.

I really hope they are smarter than to give him another 'nother chance
That's what I'm getting at- would they be pilloried or boycotted by more than a few hundred people and some media? What has the reaction been outside of SoSH? How much does the average fan care? Has it been discussed on talk radio? Anybody have a handle on this?
 

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Another +1 on @nvalvo - great post.

Not much more to add except that I think people are really starting to figure out, on a widespread level, that a lot of baseball players are just assholes, whether due to political leanings, religious leanings, or other. And why shouldn't they be? I'm guessing most people here have seen Ev'rybody Wants Some!! and that perfectly encapsulated how a lot of those types think when they are coming up, even before being drafted. These guys, for the most part, are not going to be MENSA candidates or ambassadors to foreign nations.
 

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That's what I'm getting at- would they be pilloried or boycotted by more than a few hundred people and some media? What has the reaction been outside of SoSH? How much does the average fan care? Has it been discussed on talk radio? Anybody have a handle on this?
The LGBTQ+ community carries considerably more weight than a few hundred people which should be a major consideration in making a decision to bring a player of Dermody skill level back into the organization.
 

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My 2 cents: Before Twitter and Facebook we didn't know what people's political or religious views were, outside of friends and family, and they were all pre-vetted in terms of extremism. Now through their social media posts I find many of my friends take positions I don't share on politics, religion, guns. Dermody is a true believer, apparently. He is entitled to his religious beliefs. It is not his decision who can go to heaven and who does not.
 

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My 2 cents: Before Twitter and Facebook we didn't know what people's political or religious views were, outside of friends and family, and they were all pre-vetted in terms of extremism. Now through their social media posts I find many of my friends take positions I don't share on politics, religion, guns. Dermody is a true believer, apparently. He is entitled to his religious beliefs. It is not his decision who can go to heaven and who does not.
He isn’t making that decision. He’s just reporting someone else’s interpretation of a book written a very long time ago. And sometimes it is smarter to keep your mouth shut than it is to speak hateful things.
 

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He isn’t making that decision. He’s just reporting someone else’s interpretation of a book written a very long time ago. And sometimes it is smarter to keep your mouth shut than it is to speak hateful things.
I don't recall the bible saying homosexuals don't go to heaven so I think there is some interpretation on his part. I am not a biblical scholar.
 

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I’d rather talk about Charlie McAvoy.

Or even closer, to the Bruins’ Charlie McAvoy, who bucked decisions like those made by the Blackhawks, Rangers, and Wild to not wear planned Pride jerseys this season and showed up to Boston’s weekend Pride Parade in a beautiful rainbow Bruins sweatshirt.

Joined by his fiancée, Kiley Sullivan, and their French bulldog, Otto, McAvoy said in a video sent out by the team, “It’s really just a show of support and respect for everybody, for our fellow neighbor. … It’s close to home for both of us, so to come here today and be a part of it and show support, I thought it was really important for us.”
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/06/12/sports/not-all-athletes-were-into-spirit-pride-month-some-were-including-charlie-mcavoy/

 

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It’s completely embarrassing that we continue to employ this piece of human excrement
Dermody is just the tip of the iceberg, the one stupid enough to tweet his homophobia. The Sox (and other MLB teams) employ dozens, (in the case of the mlb, probably hundreds,) of less vocal homophobes.
 

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Dermody is just the tip of the iceberg, the one stupid enough to tweet his homophobia. The Sox (and other MLB teams) employ dozens, (in the case of the mlb, probably hundreds,) of less vocal homophobes.
Oh without a doubt. Professional sports organizations are reflective of a lot of large businesses that have a cross-section of humans and their beliefs. Most are just "smart" enough (using the term loosely here) to understand that their views are not necessarily shared by most of the population and keep it to themselves.

Ironically, they are "in the closet" with these views. They can stay there too.
 

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Not to stir the pot some more, but just a few days ago Dermody defended his use of the N-word in an old post by saying he was using song lyrics. No I'm not going to link to it because it's offensive. As is he.

I see no reason why this clown should still be employed by the organization.
 

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I really don't understand how such an easily replaceable pitcher is still in the organization, unless Bloom and ownership don't find him as offensive as we do.

I'm seriously close to done. Already decided to never spend a dime at Fenway again.

My love of baseball prevents me from quitting all together, but damn they're pushing all the buttons right now.
 

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Is there some unwritten rule that you can’t waive a guy born on the Fourth of July, like it’s “un-American” or something?
and he’s not even a prospect. He is three weeks from being 33 years old. There is no potential there whatsoever

just have a bullpen game or bring someone up from AA

I don’t understand why he is still in the organization
 

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weird question, but with the MILB players now having a union could the Sox be trying to figure out a way to cut him that would not cause them to file a grievance?


Given the union would accuse the sox of cutting someone based of their beliefs and not their performance
 

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Worcester posting that update about Dermody starting with the Pride colors in their avatar is something The Onion would do.

Only this is reality, sadly.
 

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I'm pretty sure he could be cut based on age/performance. How many other 33 year olds are in the minors?
Im not arguing that part. But more about MILB players as a whole... Prior to this year MILB players could be cut for any reason under the sun, and have no recourse to challenge it.. Now that they have a union can they Challenge/file a grievance if a player believes they were released for reasons not related to their performance?
 

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Im not arguing that part. But more about MILB players as a whole... Prior to this year MILB players could be cut for any reason under the sun, and have no recourse to challenge it.. Now that they have a union can they Challenge/file a grievance if a player believes they were released for reasons not related to their performance?
I think that's worth exploring before concluding that Bloom agrees with him.
 

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Im not arguing that part. But more about MILB players as a whole... Prior to this year MILB players could be cut for any reason under the sun, and have no recourse to challenge it.. Now that they have a union can they Challenge/file a grievance if a player believes they were released for reasons not related to their performance?
I'm sure a DFA followed by a release instead of outright assignment would have been perfectly defensible as entirely performance related. A 33 year old sporting a 4.50 ERA in AAA doesn't exactly have a strong case for keeping his job. Of course, then the question is why promote him to the big leagues to make that start in the first place if he's not good enough to stick in Worcester.

It's possible they're concerned about a grievance. Still doesn't let them off the hook though. Dealing with that grievance would be an apt penance for promoting the guy at all.
 

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weird question, but with the MILB players now having a union could the Sox be trying to figure out a way to cut him that would not cause them to file a grievance?


Given the union would accuse the sox of cutting someone based of their beliefs and not their performance
The Blue Jays just DFA'd Anthony Bass under similar circumstances and said it was a baseball move. He is still in limbo, as they are within their 10 days, but I'd guess he stays in their organization, too.
 

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I don't know how to say this in a way that will likely resonate with many of you, but having lived half my life in the northeast and half in middle American states (Michigan and Texas), I'd love to try.

Dermody believes in his church-related self so strongly, that if the Bible said red-headed step children were evil, he would have tweeted Verdugo, Turner, and Vasquez aren't going to heaven (I'm being hyperbolic; I don't know if any of them were stepchildren). Certain people have blind faith in their religion. I was raised strongly Catholic, but also learned to challenge the institution of Catholicism at none other than Villanova (one of the biggest Catholic schools in the US, if you didn't already know).

At one time (in my early 20s) I had the same views as Dermody, but meeting and befriending some gay people caused me to challenge my religious education. As a Catholic, I also was taught to believe that the Bible is written by men, influenced by the Holy Spirit, but it is not the actual words of God. But other Christian faiths do believe it is the word of God.

So do the Dermody math ... "I'm a strong believer in the Bible, the Bible is the word of God, therefore tweeting the words of the Bible is spreading God's word and is a work of God. Maybe my words will get these gay people to stop sinning and go straight."

It may seem ludicrous to many of us, and it surely is ignorant to just about all of us, but he (and tens of millions of Christians in the red states) believe this. If we are more informed, then it is our responsibility to bring them to enlightenment, not condemn and ostasize them.

Okay, probably too much personal religious viewpoint so I will stop preaching now. But I'll tell you something I told coworkers who were strong Christians 20 years ago when gay conversion was a newsy topic. I said I strongly believed, based on personal observation, that being gay was not a choice, so if gays were made that way, God surely has a reason for putting them on earth, and it's our job as believers in God to try to figure out God's plan and accept them rather than throwing stones.
 

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weird question, but with the MILB players now having a union could the Sox be trying to figure out a way to cut him that would not cause them to file a grievance?


Given the union would accuse the sox of cutting someone based of their beliefs and not their performance
Pretty sure they became stuck with him the day Bloom “talked to him” about his tweets, therefore going on record that they knew what kind of person he is, and signed him anyway. This is Dan Duquette trying to claim he didn’t know what kind of person Wilfredo Cordero was all over again
 
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