The last time Aiello disputed a report (CTE), it was later shown that he was not being truthful. Hmmm...which report to believe?
Manning Legacy: Scrotal Recall
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Didn't he also get into it tit for tat with Schefter over the length of time Brady's team was allowed to present at the appeal hearing?
I wonder how long Aiello will be for the job with Joe Lockhart in charge now.
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I thought the league wasn't into correcting every single bit of misinformation - that's not their job?
What's is really cute about this is that any and all discrepancies between the way the two investigations were carried out and reported on, can be explained away by simply saying anything along the lines of "we learned many valuable lessons from the way deflategate went down".
I find it amusing that the NFL is now yoked to USADA and MLB. I can't imagine either tolerating NFL foot-dragging.
Surprised to see the story not only covered on NBC Nightly News, but also teased earlier in the broadcast. The story might be gaining some traction after all.
http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/nfl-investigating-hgh-allegations-involving-peyton-manning-610216003665
http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/nfl-investigating-hgh-allegations-involving-peyton-manning-610216003665
It's Wednesday after the AFC championship, which was when Mort's tweet came out last year. The NFL likes the attention an embarrassing scandal brings, apparently.
By the time the NFL finishes the investigation and throws it into the trash, Peyton will be playing ball for the Birmingham Barons.
This, from Sports Illustrated MMQB blog, cracked me up:
"The NFL says its investigation is “ongoing and comprehensive,” but with no tangible evidence, no power to compel cooperation and an accuser who’s recanted every allegation, it’s difficult to see anything coming of a probe unless higher authorities get involved."
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/01/27/nfl-al-jazeera-hgh-investigation
You might think that the NFL considers allegations of PED use almost as important as allegations of equipment tampering. But without tangible evidence, what can a poor football commissioner do?
"The NFL says its investigation is “ongoing and comprehensive,” but with no tangible evidence, no power to compel cooperation and an accuser who’s recanted every allegation, it’s difficult to see anything coming of a probe unless higher authorities get involved."
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/01/27/nfl-al-jazeera-hgh-investigation
You might think that the NFL considers allegations of PED use almost as important as allegations of equipment tampering. But without tangible evidence, what can a poor football commissioner do?
They want to control the message. Deflategate was perfect for the NFL because they could funnel it through to one team, which already was a hot button for most NFL fans, with a charge that was simplistic to understand.
The NFL doesn't want to do the same thing with HGH and PEDs because once it does, the narrative grows out of its control. It's more likely than not that if Manning did use, he's far from an isolated case. The same fans of other players and teams who want to see this scab ripped off might not like what happens next.
Actually, higher authorities did get involved in the Biogenesis investigation; ditto the Clemens. If the FBI decides this is interesting, then we got something.
True, but MLB nailed him on info they obtained. They didn't wait for government involvement to ramp up their investigation. I'm not sure it would have been any different if the Feds weren't involved. I'd also be shocked if there isn't some local or federal background investigation going on with Sly and the the Guyer Institute.
The amount of \_(ツ)_/¯ water being carried by the media here is astounding.
Is Taylor Teagarden extolling the virtues of and walking out with a handful of PEDs on camera not "tangible evidence"?
Does the relationship Neal/Howarde/etc. have with Sly's business partner/co-inhabitant not strongly suggest if not outright disprove Sly's full-throated recantation?
Do fact like Guyer lying about Sly's tenure with his institute not provide "higher authorities" with some motive to get involved?
The media is acting like we have nothing more than the word of some lowlife. Which, after everything we learned in Game of Shadows, they know full well is par for the course with PEDs.
It shouldn't take Sherlock Holmes to put these pieces together – the relationship between Sly and the vitamin guy, the endorsement all those athletes gave him, Sly's actual work at Guyer. At some point, you would think that these guys would begin to sing like a canary.
At this point, I have to believe MLB and USADA are moving expeditiously ahead on this, and dragging the NFL.
Lastly, and perhaps I'm reading a bit into this, but Manning's unusually muted and generous reaction to winning the AFCCG, from his press conference to his words with BB, suggest the possibility that he is aware that the walls may be closing in. Then again, it's possible that he was actually wistful about this being the end of the line.
Yeah, the non-mention of Teagarden certainly looks willful. Also, referring to Sly as an intern and then as a salesman with some pharmaceutical training is going out of the way to not call him a pharmacist. Inventory of denials is run down with almost no discussion on possible motivations for lying or recanting.
Practically no reason to lie back then and every reason in the world to lie now. Yet we are supposed to believe he was doing the former but not the latter. Ok sure.
I missed this article but it was just being discussed on Bertrand and Zolak with Bert Breer. They mentioned the most important part of the article which no one has picked up on yet. Breer just tweeted it out...
Isn't this considerably worse than "BRADY DESTROYED HIS PHONE!!"?
Why would they need to go through their records to look for something that they know wasn't there? Like, that doesn't even make sense. Is the story that they were just double checking to make sure the Guyer Institute wasn't sending them HGH packages that they somehow didn't know about? What's the logic here?
If ou were charged with defending someone's reputation, why wouldn't you go through the records of the clinic allegedly involved? Of course you would, if only to see what was there.
I guess? If I knew I weren't being sent drugs I don't think I'd need to go to the doctor's office to make sure they weren't sending me drugs. You won't find proof of a negative, only of a positive. There's no note in Peyton's file that says "Never mailed HGH to Peyton."
It certainly makes sense if you think you might find something incriminating there though.
But they know the clinic sent it to his wife. They wanted to make sure there were no notes in those files that said something like "MAKE SURE YOU ADDRESS THIS SHIT TO HIS WIFE!"
Right, that makes perfect sense. It makes all the sense in the world if you're going there looking to find or hide something incriminating. Doesn't make much sense otherwise.
The similarities with Lance are striking. Remember that it took a while for the allegations against Armstrong to eventually blow up on him. And that might have never happened if he didn't attempt to make a comeback in 2009.
A big difference between Armstrong and Manning, assuming manning used HGH, is that Armstrong's PED use was systemic, Manning's was probably episodic. In other words, Armstrong doped all the time to compete. Manning doped to recover from an injury. Ethics of doping aside, that means fewer witnesses, less chance of getting caught.
Armstrong also had members of his team dope on his instigation/insistence - plus it happened in a different testing/sampling regimen where old blood samples were stored for years. Armstrong used a lot of strong arm tactics to silence people who knew.
Manning may have been a one timer - with one supplier. I don't think the NFL stores samples or tests rigorously, so this is more like trying to nail him for a single illegal drug transaction.
Manning's investigators being given access to records is curious. Two angles obviously. Manning innocent and Manning guilty. Assuming he's innocent, no matter what he has a right to see his records. You wouldn't need to have access to all of Guyer's records to get yours. So maybe letting them in had something to do with that, Manning's team wanted to go through any "Manning" records with a fine tooth comb to make sure no one (like an intern looking to frame him) placed false incriminating information within a Manning medical file. I don't think they'd be able to legally force their way into the office to examine general records that do not pertain to Manning, but having access to all of Manning's records so they know exactly what is in every document is understandable.
On the guilty front, the only thing that makes sense is if they are in cahoots to cover it up. Say that Manning's guy calls Guyer and is told there is nothing to worry about, there is absolutely no paper or money trail linking the Mannings to HGH shipments. Manning's team says we want to be sure, let us do a full check of your records to make sure you haven't missed anything. Based upon that Guyer lets them in and Manning's team goes through everything in detail to make sure the records make him look innocent. That would be bringing a ton of people into the guilty knowledge circle, so that is problematic in and of itself.
The fact that publicly Manning has essentially doubled down with his denial stating the allegations are garbage, he'd be playing a pretty Lance-like game of public deception on a large scale if anything comes of this.
A few questions for the physicians here, and sorry if this has been covered already and I forgot. Would HGH actually help with recovery in a situation like Manning's? Is there a better, legal method, and if so why wouldn't athletes go the legal route? If it does help, why is it illegal to use HGH in this manner?
I have guesses for each of these Qs, but they're just guesses so I'll wait to hear from those with actual knowledge. Thanks.
I have guesses for each of these Qs, but they're just guesses so I'll wait to hear from those with actual knowledge. Thanks.
Not a physician, but the answer is that there's no reliable, published evidence that HGH will promote recovery from injury, nor is there such evidence that suggests that HGH will enhance athletic performance. Of course, absence of evidence doesn't mean evidence of absence, especially with something that has not been very rigorously studied. Moreover, illegal providers of PEDs are unlikely to keep detailed scientific documentation of their lawbreaking, either, and they sure as shit aren't going to publish it.
Anecdotally, it can dramatically improve recovery times. However, taking it at the required dose can cause other issues, like joint pain, carpal tunnel, etc.
It is also supposedly very helpful for athletic performance as the sole substance that can really increase muscle and decrease fat simultaneously in highly trained athletes. You know all those rumors of bodybuilders being gay for play or screwing grapefruits (look it up)? It's to afford hgh, which is monstrously expensive. So, take that for what it's worth vis a vis its efficacy.
The Sheriff is the worst SB QB evah: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/peyton-manning-had-the-worst-season-of-any-super-bowl-quarterback-ever/?ex_cid=538twitter
Yikes, that's some edgy advice. I'm glad I'm the only person still at the office this late. On the other hand, that little googling it led me to rants like this (SFW), which were damned amusing.
I'll echo Devizier's comments with one caveat. Manning was trying to recover from spinal fusion surgery. Although not proven, there is considerable evidence suggesting that the ability to throw overhand requires calculations routinely performed by the spinal cord. His arm weakness from the surgery may have neurological factors, which HGH may have no effect on.
If manning did use HGH, I suspect it was out of desperation, and not due to some established scientific knowledge.
If manning did use HGH, I suspect it was out of desperation, and not due to some established scientific knowledge.
Or, he tried it post-surgery, liked the results, and packages kept getting sent until more rigorous HGH testing started (at least). I see no reason at this point to put any potential Manning use of HGH in either the short-term or long-term category.
RapSheet:
'Peyton Manning says of the NFL's investigation into HGH, "I can guarantee you the findings will be a big fat nothing."'
Not quoted: "Because my people have destroyed all the evidence."
'Peyton Manning says of the NFL's investigation into HGH, "I can guarantee you the findings will be a big fat nothing."'
Not quoted: "Because my people have destroyed all the evidence."
I came across that too, and would have shared it if you didn't. Hilarious and true.
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Rams have had internal discussions about bringing Peyton Manning to LA should he want to play another season:... http://fb.me/7E8Tiy9mT
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