Screaming after being injured is very common. That's not a problem. It's Mac's reactions since then which are the problem. Part of being a pro athlete is putting yourself in harm's way and still performing. Mac doesn't seem to be able to do so.
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Screaming after being injured is very common. That's not a problem. It's Mac's reactions since then which are the problem. Part of being a pro athlete is putting yourself in harm's way and still performing. Mac doesn't seem to be able to do so.
Injuries are part of the game, Tua has 10x the injury history of Mac. He seems to have bounced back well. The one thing I will say is he wasn’t much of an athlete to start with, so if the injury diminished his skill, I would buy it.
It’s just a combo of suck that has brought us to this point. He is not the game processor he was supposed to be, the line and weapons are subpar, he melts at a hint of pressure, the athleticism is lacking, the mechanics in game are terrible, and I have this weird feeling that BB just doesn’t like him but they are just stuck with one another.
It’s just a combo of suck that has brought us to this point. He is not the game processor he was supposed to be, the line and weapons are subpar, he melts at a hint of pressure, the athleticism is lacking, the mechanics in game are terrible, and I have this weird feeling that BB just doesn’t like him but they are just stuck with one another.
I don't really buy the ankle injury splits. He had a stretch of bad games before that, and he had some of his better games after coming back.
Only split I really see is about 3/4 of the way through his rookie year teams with good defenses started to figure him out
Only split I really see is about 3/4 of the way through his rookie year teams with good defenses started to figure him out
If BB deserves blame for how Mac turned out, it’s for not having a real offensive coaching staff last season, such that we wasted this year discovering that Mac wasn’t the guy, rather than knowing he wasn’t after last year.
I don't know if this says more about Mac or Alabama, but I just learned he majored in Communications with a 4.00 GPA.
COMMUNICATIONS!
COMMUNICATIONS!
I don't recall Mac so blatantly calling out the coaching staff in press conferences.
In-game whining for sure, I thought after games he tried to soften things and keep it a bit more generic.
Perhaps I just missed the previous times he said the coaches were idiots to the media post game.
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I know the ankle injury was brought up, but I think it may be a red herring, at least when it comes to second half of 2022 and this season so far.
I recall BB openly praising Mac Jones in the lead up to training camp in the summer of 2022. By the mid-point of training camp, his outright praise of Mac was much more muted and restrained. And that change in Bill coincided exactly with Mac's struggles in the early parts of that training camp.
I would not be surprised if Mac's attitude sucked in training camp and the coaches noticed something in his performance that had them concerned from that point onward. Seems like they tried the do-over with BoB coming on board, but that clearly hasn't helped.
I recall BB openly praising Mac Jones in the lead up to training camp in the summer of 2022. By the mid-point of training camp, his outright praise of Mac was much more muted and restrained. And that change in Bill coincided exactly with Mac's struggles in the early parts of that training camp.
I would not be surprised if Mac's attitude sucked in training camp and the coaches noticed something in his performance that had them concerned from that point onward. Seems like they tried the do-over with BoB coming on board, but that clearly hasn't helped.
I kinda doubt any correlation as well.
Having said that, if I recall, he apparently he didn't listen to medical advice and get the recommended surgery for his injury. He came back on the early-ish side for the reported degree of high ankle sprain.
I do see a lot of poor scarring, microinstability, and early arthritis in these patients. It wouldn't shock me if his ankle is sometimes an issue for him.
But he was never an athletic QB and overall he seems to be moving well enough (at least compared to his pre-injury baseline), so I would still guess most likely his current suck is not directly related.
I'm guessing the QB at Alabama could get a 4.0 in communications based on being able to speak. At all.
I’m sure any dumbass on the football team who shows up for class and makes an effort to do his work will graduate, but I don’t think anyone is handing out straight A’s — it would be kind of obvious.
Hurts was a good student at Bama, graduating in three years. His smarts translate to the football field. Mac’s don’t.
Let’s not exaggerate here, I’m positive that they can get a 7th round pick for Mac and a 5th.
Mac also got a Master's Degree in "sports hospitality" from Alabama.
You want to know what's even less relevant to their play on the football field? Wonderlic scores.
Wonderlic scores for 2020 NFL Draft quarterbacks
- Nate Stanley: 40
- Justin Herbert 39* (previously 25)
- Jake Fromm: 35
- Joe Burrow: 34
- Jake Luton: 33* (29)
- Brian Lewerke 30* (25)
- Jordan Love: 27
- Anthony Gordon: 25
- Jacob Eason: 23
- James Morgan: 23
- Jalen Hurts: 21* (18)
- Tua Tagovailoa: 19* (13)
Want to guess what Mac's were?
Same as Tua, at 19. Tua also got his degree from Alabama in, you guessed it, communications.
Where does "He stinks" come from? Grier's 1.2 game audition in Carolina games 4 years ago? Has he been fucking up in practice? Dude's entire playing career has been pocked by fits and starts. I guess maybe that's telling, but maybe he's never gotten a fair shake.
i don't know how we count basketball but dwyane wade going off in a wheelchair for a shoulder dislocation comes to mind.
Fair enough. Terrible in limited in game action, and apparently unable to claim the backup spot from
Zappe or Cunningham. I think the assumption is probably that he won’t be very good but it is true that he hasn’t been given much of an opportunity. But the two probably go hand in hand.
plunkett got sacked seemingly every play they threw him to the wolves with absolutely no offensive line he was completely shell shocked by the time the pats dumped him.i believe the 49ers sat him on the bench for a couple years to recuperate and get his mojo back..........kinda like what is happening to mac jones
Mac's tenure with the Patriots is over.
Him getting benched yesterday is the end. This isn't like the other benchings, which were either injury related or in blowouts. This was a benching when the team still had a chance to win.
That said, Mac's tenure should be over. ANYONE but Mac. He's not the answer, he will never be the answer, so just fucking try something else. I don't care if it's worse. It still won't look this bad.
Him getting benched yesterday is the end. This isn't like the other benchings, which were either injury related or in blowouts. This was a benching when the team still had a chance to win.
That said, Mac's tenure should be over. ANYONE but Mac. He's not the answer, he will never be the answer, so just fucking try something else. I don't care if it's worse. It still won't look this bad.
Well said : )
Where do they go from here? It’s a mercy benching Mac at this point, he’s in shambles.
I have no beef with this. But it will look this bad, if Mac sits for the rest of the season. McCourty's line about Zappe throwing the ball "into a Colts team meeting" was pretty accurate. It won't look any different on the field. But it will feel better.
It already looks bad with Mac playing.
This team is the worst team in the AFC. It can't get worse and it's better to try something else because at this point, losing isn't the worst thing for the team as a whole.
No argument here. Addition by subtraction and all that. Just saying that we'll need to embrace the Zappe interceptions and dream of Marvin Harrison Jr.
Yes!!!!
Zappe has some zip on the ball, at least, and he can move, too. Mac has no arm. It's tragically bad.
The Patriots aren't exactly lighting up the scoreboard with Mac anyway. Fuck him. Little baby. They must try something new. It's been years of mediocre play, at best.
I'm not an NFL QB Coach, but can someone explain to me that at 35 seconds into the video, he goes to pass to a guy who's supposed to catch the ball, but he moves his front foot forwards and seems to "step into" the throw. Does that give him extra velocity on the ball? Why would he do that?
If I were a betting man, which I am, I think Grier starts in 2 weeks. Bill made a point about bringing him up saying he's been "running the practice squad," and that video of Mac walking to the X-Ray room was leaked for a reason. It would make more than a ton of sense to shut down Mac for the season due to "injury" and play Grier or Zappe or Cunningham and try to lose out without "trying" to lose out.
The only part about this that gives me pause is the shutting down of Mac for an "injury." Doesn't the NFL take an unkind view of this now? They'd have to prove the injury. I mean, they could make him the No 3 QB for the remainder of the season and it would have much the same effect.
Too bad bruised egos (or, really, bruises in general) don't show up on X-rays to prove an injury.
And they had Plunkett running quarterback keepers, naked bootlegs, whatever, until he got hurt. Worst quarterback abuse I've ever seen. I was so happy for Jim and his two Super Bowl wins even though it was with Oakland.
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Guess it depends on your definition of proof? Don't see the NFL climbing down Chicago's throats for updates on Justin Fields thumb that has now kept it out for over a month. They just keep saying stuff like this week after week:
"We just need more time," Eberflus told reporters (via Myles Simmons of Pro Football Talk). "We need team [drills] work, we need that and we'll eventually get there. We're just not there right now."
Fields has missed Chicago's past four games, while the Bears have gone 2-2 in that stretch.
Fields has gone through individual drills in practice, but he has yet to appear in any 11-on-11 scrimmages. Eberflus wasn't ready to give any indication about a potential return for the 24-year-old, but he revealed that there would be more clarity about his status on Wednesday.
That said, I have no idea if Mac is hurt or not. Him heading to the X-Ray room, seems to indicate there might be something. What is the NFL rule for allowable missed games due to a paper cut, because I'm sure someone can make that happen?
I just brought it up because I was reading something the other day about the NFL investigating the Falcons and how they handled an injury report on Bijan Robinson. Probably a nothing burger.
I think that was more the opposite. They didn't put him on the injury report, so when he played only 11 snaps, the NFL got big mad because it didn't make them look good with their gambling partners.
Tom Brady, probable, shoulder.
I think putting someone on the injury report is more acceptable than the other way around.
This had to be all pre-season right? playing against the scrubs? It reminds me of college hype videos; guys are wiiiiide open.
That said, sign me up to see what happens in a real game. What do we have to lose at this point?
Yeah that's why I suggested the No 3 alternative. It avoids any possibility of questions being raised. No one will doubt why he'd been benched. Probably something some of us would consider more than Belichick would care
Was there something about Will Grier a month or 6 weeks ago about not being available or some sort of weird thing? Or was that some other 3rd / 4th string quarterback?
I read the scout team comment from Bill the other way. I believe Bill was asked about Grier, Bill didn't offer it up on his own. I read it as, Grier has only run the scout team, done it well, but not a viable starter at this point. Maybe I'm wrong.
I think it's Zappe the rest of the way. I don't see how they can go back to Mac after the way yesterday unfolded. Can anyone ever recall a healthy QB getting yanked on a game winning 2:00 drive scenario after the starter played the entire game? I don't think Mac comes back from that, he's done. The floater pick was the final nail in his coffin.
You are thinking about Matt Corral. He left the team without notice the night before the start of the season
Thanks. Interesting coincidence that they were both with the Panthers at some point.
Well, the title is literally "preseason highlights" so I'm gonna go with yes.
LOL. This totally reminds me of the highlight videos my son makes for lacrosse. Is Will Grier trying to get recruited too?