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How bad was the quarterback performance yesterday?
How bad was the quarterback performance yesterday?
https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/stats?season=2023&seasonType=pre&category=passingLOL. This totally reminds me of the highlight videos my son makes for lacrosse. Is Will Grier trying to get recruited too?
Smart manYou are thinking about Matt Corral. He left the team without notice the night before the start of the season
He was 2nd in the NFL in passing yards in '73, and the Pats were 2nd in the NFL in scoring in '74. He got hurt early in '75 and then was traded prior to the '76 season. I could never understand the sentiment that he was some kind of huge failure with the Pats. He produced just fine, got hurt, and then the team dealt him.- Jim Plunkett was the #1 overall pick, awarded to the Patriots thanks to the Talieferro/Kapp fiasco. He never came close to living up to the hype that went along with being the #1 pick fresh off a Heisman Trophy and Rose Bowl victory. I was too young to truly remember those days, but he was probably by far the most disappointing QB, a disappointment compounded by his winning 2 Lombardi's with the Raiders later on.
Did you mean the one from Mac or Zappe?…snip…
I think it's Zappe the rest of the way. I don't see how they can go back to Mac after the way yesterday unfolded. Can anyone ever recall a healthy QB getting yanked on a game winning 2:00 drive scenario after the starter played the entire game? I don't think Mac comes back from that, he's done. The floater pick was the final nail in his coffin.
I'm still very mad that the Pats didn't draft Hurts. I loved him at Bama and loved him at Oklahoma.I’m sure any dumbass on the football team who shows up for class and makes an effort to do his work will graduate, but I don’t think anyone is handing out straight A’s — it would be kind of obvious.
Hurts was a good student at Bama, graduating in three years. His smarts translate to the football field. Mac’s don’t.
Those are all correct. The problem was that the team's record was 23-38 in the games he started. And in his final healthy season in New England, he was tied for the league lead in interceptions and led the league in percentage of pass attempts intercepted. Those are the stats the fans saw and the media emphasized.He was 2nd in the NFL in passing yards in '73, and the Pats were 2nd in the NFL in scoring in '74. He got hurt early in '75 and then was traded prior to the '76 season. I could never understand the sentiment that he was some kind of huge failure with the Pats. He produced just fine, got hurt, and then the team dealt him.
The weird thing is - not that bad, at least by the numbers. Just prior to the interception that benched him, I was marvelling at how the Pats had managed to (a) run the ball reasonably successfully (b) have a QB with a 75% completion rate or so throwing for more than 8 yards an attempt on a reasonable number of throws and (c) win the turnover battle (1-0 at that point) and yet still only score 6 points. Obviously the missed field goal doesn't help there, but still. Surely it's all but impossible to achieve that kind of combination?
How bad was the quarterback performance yesterday?
8.5 YPA is the opposite of terrible. Now, Mac was not good in the game, but 8.5 YPA in a vacuum is fucking awesome.20 attempts for 170 yards is pretty terrible, really.
Does the 15 completions change that value? He was throwing short passes all day, never tried to push the ball at all.8.5 YPA is the opposite of terrible. Now, Mac was not good in the game, but 8.5 YPA in a vacuum is fucking awesome.
Short passes or not 11.3 YPC is also great. Brady career 11.5. Mahomes 12.1.Does the 15 completions change that value? He was throwing short passes all day, never tried to push the ball at all.
I don't think there's any argument to be made that he played well on Sunday even if you take out the worst INT any of us will ever see.
Yeah--QBs that can CONSISTENTLY go 75% passing, 8.5 YPA, and 11.3 YPC will generally be really good. We just found a game where it was basically meaningless.Does the 15 completions change that value? He was throwing short passes all day, never tried to push the ball at all.
Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?Yeah--QBs that can CONSISTENTLY go 75% passing, 8.5 YPA, and 11.3 YPC will generally be really good. We just found a game where it was basically meaningless.
However, had he completed that pass and finished 16/20 for 190 yards and TD...
Just to pile on a little but yeah 170 yards in just 20 attempts is absolutely fantastic, no matter how many completions it is.20 attempts for 170 yards is pretty terrible, really. He also never threw to the right side of the field except on the game-losing INT.
Just looked up the weekly DVOA report and saw this:Just to pile on a little but yeah 170 yards in just 20 attempts is absolutely fantastic, no matter how many completions it is.
TONS of things to criticize Mac for but this specific stat isn’t one of them at all.
So basically he got helped out a lot by his WEAPONZ, and then when things got important he withered into a useless husk.Jones benefited from an average of 9.0 yards after the catch, the highest of any quarterback this week. He went 0-for-3 in the red zone with a pick and a sack, worth -86 passing DYAR.
Yeah--might not have really been a great game in that sense, but if a QB consistently put up those kind of numbers, at some point you'd think the QB had something to do with it. Kinda like some pitcher might go 6 innings, give up 5 hits, no walks, and get a win, but didn't pitch well, there were just a lot of balls hit right at fielders, etc. But if you look up and EVERY start that's happening, well, maybe there's something there.Just looked up the weekly DVOA report and saw this:
So basically he got helped out a lot by his WEAPONZ, and then when things got important he withered into a useless husk.
And of course there was the totally meaningless long gain to Douglas at the end of the first half that bumped all the stats. So you’re not wrong saying that Mac wasn’t good on Sunday. We are just taking issue with your claim that 170 yards on 20 passes is “pretty terrible, really”, because it’s the opposite of that.Just looked up the weekly DVOA report and saw this:
So basically he got helped out a lot by his WEAPONZ, and then when things got important he withered into a useless husk.
You have no idea how badly I want to no longer think about Mac Jones on the Patriots.I find myself not really caring whether Mac starts the last 7 games or not. I think either option will be somewhat entertaining. I don’t know what some of our residents who cannot hear anything about the team with filtering it through a Mac prism are going to do when he is gone, so there’s that too.
Yeah. It's just....super misleading. It gives the impression he played well, when, well you know.And of course there was the totally meaningless long gain to Douglas at the end of the first half that bumped all the stats. So you’re not wrong saying that Mac wasn’t good on Sunday. We are just taking issue with your claim that 170 yards on 20 passes is “pretty terrible, really”, because it’s the opposite of that.
When you find the person who thinks he played well Sunday, I think you will have a winning argument that they were misled. Just be respectful. Maybe start with something like, “Now, Mrs.Jones, I know you love your son ….”Yeah. It's just....super misleading. It gives the impression he played well, when, well you know.
5 sacks IS a disaster. That's incredibly bad, taking sacks on 1/5 dropbacks. Daniel Jones is currently worst in the NFL at 16%. And four of the sacks came on third down and killed drives.The weird thing is - not that bad, at least by the numbers. Just prior to the interception that benched him, I was marvelling at how the Pats had managed to (a) run the ball reasonably successfully (b) have a QB with a 75% completion rate or so throwing for more than 8 yards an attempt on a reasonable number of throws and (c) win the turnover battle (1-0 at that point) and yet still only score 6 points. Obviously the missed field goal doesn't help there, but still. Surely it's all but impossible to achieve that kind of combination?
Mac's line 15/20 for 170 with 0 TD/1 INT for a passer rating of 79.2. Not great, obviously, but not awful by any means.
5 sacks for 22 yards didn't help, but also isn't a disaster. Penalties were in the normal range. I don't quite know how the Pats managed it, tbh. It's like they perfected the bend but don't breakthrough offense or something.
So this is why ANY/A is a good eyeball stat. Mac's numbers look okay on the surface, high Y/A, decent even if we take out the 30 yard pass to Pop that was the defense just giving us yards since time was done (7.37). However...The weird thing is - not that bad, at least by the numbers. Just prior to the interception that benched him, I was marvelling at how the Pats had managed to (a) run the ball reasonably successfully (b) have a QB with a 75% completion rate or so throwing for more than 8 yards an attempt on a reasonable number of throws and (c) win the turnover battle (1-0 at that point) and yet still only score 6 points. Obviously the missed field goal doesn't help there, but still. Surely it's all but impossible to achieve that kind of combination?
Mac's line 15/20 for 170 with 0 TD/1 INT for a passer rating of 79.2. Not great, obviously, but not awful by any means.
5 sacks for 22 yards didn't help, but also isn't a disaster. Penalties were in the normal range. I don't quite know how the Pats managed it, tbh. It's like they perfected the bend but don't breakthrough offense or something.
Trust me - we have a pretty good idea.You have no idea how badly I want to no longer think about Mac Jones on the Patriots.
I'm glad I'm getting the point across. Clarity is sometimes an issue on this board.Trust me - we have a pretty good idea.
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10097384-patriots-insider-mac-jones-to-be-3rd-string-qb-behind-bailey-zappe-will-grier.amp.html"Mac Jones is going to almost certainly sit," Curran said.
"I think he'll probably be dropped down to third-string. You're gonna elevate Will Grier and you're gonna elevate the player that took the final snaps the other day...Bailey Zappe.
"If I was a betting man, and I don't have any intel on this, but Will Grier gets the reps to be the starter, and if he fails in that, then Zappe would start and Grier would be No. 2 and you proceed through the end of the year and try to maintain the culture."
This tells me that that Patriots have given him every opportunity and Sunday was the final straw and they want him off the team.I don't know if this has been posted, but Tom Curran is "hearing" that Mac Jones will be the emergency QB moving forward:
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10097384-patriots-insider-mac-jones-to-be-3rd-string-qb-behind-bailey-zappe-will-grier.amp.html
Oh yeah, even I knew your larger point was correct.I'm glad I'm getting the point across. Clarity is sometimes an issue on this board.
And I think that's very fair. BoB going off on him on the sidelines on Sunday was probably close to the edge, but then he had the next drive and that ended with the infamous INT.This tells me that that Patriots have given him every opportunity and Sunday was the final straw and they want him off the team.
Kinda feels like choosing a favorite deck chair now. Sucky QBs and WRs and linemen oh my.What did Malik do to get elevated once and then never again? Kinda rather see him than Zappe or Grier.
He was never really going to play QB, they clearly don't think he is one.What did Malik do to get elevated once and then never again? Kinda rather see him than Zappe or Grier.
I think it was mostly the WR situation. IIRC they were without Juju and Douglas and it was the first game Thornton was eligible to return so he was a mystery and Boutte was in the doghouse. I think they really wanted Cunningham as WR depth and used the backup QB as a way to get him on the gameday roster.What did Malik do to get elevated once and then never again? Kinda rather see him than Zappe or Grier.
Many of those were screens that went for a longer distance, one was the 30 yards to pop at halftime, etc.Just to pile on a little but yeah 170 yards in just 20 attempts is absolutely fantastic, no matter how many completions it is.
TONS of things to criticize Mac for but this specific stat isn’t one of them at all.
Casting your pearls before swine, here.I don't know if this says more about Mac or Alabama, but I just learned he majored in Communications with a 4.00 GPA.
COMMUNICATIONS!
Yep, Mac was sacked on third down on 4 of the first 5 drives of the game. The 5th sack was right in the middle of those, and led to a third and long, in which they got 12 yards (pass to Gesicki), but was short of the chains.5 sacks IS a disaster. That's incredibly bad, taking sacks on 1/5 dropbacks. Daniel Jones is currently worst in the NFL at 16%. And four of the sacks came on third down and killed drives.
I've run into him several times at a local breakfast joint I go to as well as the post office; he's much more than a "halfway" decent person off the football field, he's pretty fucking far from a total asshole, I can assure you of that.I am truly at the point where I feel bad for Mac. And I’ve been one of his biggest doubters for the last two years. It’s just gotten so bad that if he is a halfway decent person off the football field there’s a part of you that hates to see someone that seems otherwise decent as a human have to endure this.
He may be a total asshole, who knows. But nothing seems to indicate that, outside of some brattish behavior here and there. But nothing so bad that I look at the kid and take any joy in seeing his career completely go up in flames like this.
For whatever reason I hope he at least gets a Colt McCoy-like career out of this. Not what he probably envisioned, but an NFL career regardless.