They’re not very goodThere have been rumors at one time or another of both that and Meslier, who also got his team relegated. Both are likely bunk.
They’re not very goodThere have been rumors at one time or another of both that and Meslier, who also got his team relegated. Both are likely bunk.
The American parallel is the NFL before and after the Super Bowl era. What are you more likely to hear, that the Detroit Lions have won 4 NFL Championships, or that they've never won (or even appeared in) a Super Bowl?Can I push back on this? Do English soccer players and fans really buy into the fiction that top flight football was invented only 30 years ago? If I were to pick an American parallel, it feels a lot like celebrating Aaron Judge setting a new American League home run record: somewhat meaningful, but an afterthought to most fans.
OK this makes the most sense to me. I'm old enough to have watched the NFL when the Super Bowl was as old as the Premier League right now. (That would be the Super Bowl XXXI season.)The American parallel is the NFL before and after the Super Bowl era. What are you more likely to hear, that the Detroit Lions have won 4 NFL Championships, or that they've never won (or even appeared in) a Super Bowl?
On the flip side, nobody ever paid the least bit of attention to the idea of Walter Payton breaking the Super Bowl era record for most career rushing yards. It was Jim Brown's record and it didn't matter the least bit whether those yards were accrued in the pre-Super Bowl era.The American parallel is the NFL before and after the Super Bowl era. What are you more likely to hear, that the Detroit Lions have won 4 NFL Championships, or that they've never won (or even appeared in) a Super Bowl?
Regarding Shearer’s record - in all likelihood he probably had the Premier League all time goal scoring record by the third year of his career (1994/1995) - which shows how stupid the record is.On the flip side, nobody ever paid the least bit of attention to the idea of Walter Payton breaking the Super Bowl era record for most career rushing yards. It was Jim Brown's record and it didn't matter the least bit whether those yards were accrued in the pre-Super Bowl era.
Most NFL records are de facto Super Bowl era records because its been nearly 60 years, lots of stats weren't tracked way back when, and the game developed so that more of everything happened on offense. But there has been a sense among the sporting public that only Super Bowl era statistics counted or that pre-Super Bowl NFL statistics shouldn't count when discussing records.
Good to know!In my experience at least, Alfredo Pedulla is in the upper echelon of complete bullshitters when it comes to transfer rumors.
Him, Tancredi Palmeri, and Gianluigi Longari are like this Italian triumvirate of fabricated rumors and guesswork.
That’s about .85 Anthony Gordons, so yeah.That fee is MUCH lower than I expected....the LFC Transfer Team is pulling some crazy Obi Wan level Jedi mind tricks to make that happen. Or, Brighton did not negotiate well with regards to the release clause in the freshly signed contract.
Former football manager legend tielemansBelgian international Youri Tielemans to Aston Villa on a free:
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EXCL: Aston Villa have agreed a deal to sign Youri Tielemans. Doing medical before finalising contract. 26yo midfielder set to join as free agent after Leicester deal expired. #AVFC overcame plenty of competition for Belgium international
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Clubs will usually take a risk on the ceiling of a player more than the average or floor, especially for a 26 y.o. international on a free transfer. Good biz by Villa, even if it is just a flyer. Although our Sons of Ben Cherington contingent might disagree.I’m pretty down on Tielemans now. I know if makes no sense that I’m high on an Ndidi bounce back and Tielemans being cooked, but Tielemans was so invisible for Leicester this season. I was watching him closely because I was thinking Liverpool would be in on him, but Tielemans would go long stretches of matches with no discernible influence on proceedings. And then there was his World Cup debacle…Youri’s soul now resides on Alphonso Davie’s kitchen junk drawer.
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I might be biased as an Everton fan who grew up in that time, but I think many people actually care about the 1970s/1980s decades immediately preceding the PL. Even Dizzy Dean got some mention in Haaland's run-up to the season goals record, though that had a bit more of a "it was a different time" feel. I don't think the American football comparison quite holds, in that you still hear a lot about Liverpool's First Division records and European records, you still hear about "years in the top flight" that include First Division football whenever relegation is discussed, etc. It's not as clean cut as the pre-/post-Super Bowl divide in the NFL - I think some people will care about Shearer's record, and others will think of Greaves as the big record.The American parallel is the NFL before and after the Super Bowl era. What are you more likely to hear, that the Detroit Lions have won 4 NFL Championships, or that they've never won (or even appeared in) a Super Bowl?
I think we are significantly closer to the start of the PL than we are to the Super Bowl era, which means a lot more people have memories of glory days pre-EPL, which makes the history feel more relevant. You'd have to be around 65 or older to have any real memories of the NFL pre-Super Bowl, which cuts down on a lot of the history. I think we will get to that point probably in the PL, although since the PL only started in the early 90s, we have a lot more media of the pre-PL era, which will help teams from the 70s and 80s endure.I might be biased as an Everton fan who grew up in that time, but I think many people actually care about the 1970s/1980s decades immediately preceding the PL. Even Dizzy Dean got some mention in Haaland's run-up to the season goals record, though that had a bit more of a "it was a different time" feel. I don't think the American football comparison quite holds, in that you still hear a lot about Liverpool's First Division records and European records, you still hear about "years in the top flight" that include First Division football whenever relegation is discussed, etc. It's not as clean cut as the pre-/post-Super Bowl divide in the NFL - I think some people will care about Shearer's record, and others will think of Greaves as the big record.
PSG don't operate like other clubs. What I mean by that is they're probably fine with him playing his final season at wages of $1-2M and then him walking next season. They don't put as much value on getting any value back for him this year--he's more valuable to them. That said, this could just as easily be posturing by his representatives to extend the deal at the same or better numbers.Mbappe on the move this summer? We've been here before, multiple times, so I'll believe it when I see it.
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For me the Premier League is a very successful rebranding that gave plenty of material benefits to the teams. But the first division of yore isn't a different league, it's the same one.I might be biased as an Everton fan who grew up in that time, but I think many people actually care about the 1970s/1980s decades immediately preceding the PL. Even Dizzy Dean got some mention in Haaland's run-up to the season goals record, though that had a bit more of a "it was a different time" feel. I don't think the American football comparison quite holds, in that you still hear a lot about Liverpool's First Division records and European records, you still hear about "years in the top flight" that include First Division football whenever relegation is discussed, etc. It's not as clean cut as the pre-/post-Super Bowl divide in the NFL - I think some people will care about Shearer's record, and others will think of Greaves as the big record.
He wanted to go to Madrid last time around, and PSG just came in with too much money. Now he's got that money, the marginal utility isn't there for him, Messi won't be there, might as well go with the heart this time.Mbappe on the move this summer? We've been here before, multiple times, so I'll believe it when I see it.
This is the correct take.For me the Premier League is a very successful rebranding that gave plenty of material benefits to the teams. But the first division of yore isn't a different league, it's the same one.
I get that it's not a perfect parallel, especially as a Liverpool fan who had to hear "you're never won the Premier League" from Man United fans for years even though Liverpool won 11 of the last 20 First Division titles before the EPL was formed. Just saying it's a similar example of a time when a sport had a restructuring/rebranding that causes certain sectors of the media/fanbase to focus more on what happened post-reorg than pre. This will likely increase as all the 70's-80's players currently in the media retire. As for the records, someone else made the good correlation to the Dead Ball era, where yes, we know a bunch of guys hit.400 way back when, but there's a set of "modern-era" records referenced as well.I might be biased as an Everton fan who grew up in that time, but I think many people actually care about the 1970s/1980s decades immediately preceding the PL. Even Dizzy Dean got some mention in Haaland's run-up to the season goals record, though that had a bit more of a "it was a different time" feel. I don't think the American football comparison quite holds, in that you still hear a lot about Liverpool's First Division records and European records, you still hear about "years in the top flight" that include First Division football whenever relegation is discussed, etc. It's not as clean cut as the pre-/post-Super Bowl divide in the NFL - I think some people will care about Shearer's record, and others will think of Greaves as the big record.
There was a report in the Liverpool Echo that Christian Pursloe (ex Red SD) had let his job (President) at Villa yesterday. It didn’t say if he left voluntarily.Transfer-related news out of Sevilla and Birmingham. Aston Villa look to have gotten Monchi, the architect behind the golden age at Sevilla. He might get too much of the credit for the successes and not enough blame for this season’s awful start (though he did play a part in salvaging the season) but there is no doubt that he has a special eye for talent.
The brain drain out of Spain is becoming a huge pain.
For me the Premier League is a very successful rebranding that gave plenty of material benefits to the teams. But the first division of yore isn't a different league, it's the same one.
Honest question--didn't the EPL make some pretty big changes in terms of loosening domestic player quotas and other rules/regs?This is the correct take.
Monchi is an absolute legend. I have no idea if he's still got the fastball after all these years, but him getting jostled out of southern Spain is something.Transfer-related news out of Sevilla and Birmingham. Aston Villa look to have gotten Monchi, the architect behind the golden age at Sevilla. He might get too much of the credit for the successes and not enough blame for this season’s awful start (though he did play a part in salvaging the season) but there is no doubt that he has a special eye for talent.
The brain drain out of Spain is becoming a huge pain.
English clubs were banned from European play for five years after the 1985 Heysel disaster, which was precipitated by Liverpool supporters.Honest question--didn't the EPL make some pretty big changes in terms of loosening domestic player quotas and other rules/regs?
While I get the sentiment that it was just a re-branding exercise, I think that's selling it quite short. England was not a worldly place for football pre-EPL and it still took 10 or so years for the game to go truly international. As much as I hate to say it, Wenger deserves a fair amount of that credit as he brought training, nutrition, and related methods from the continent. Not a huge data point, but English clubs didn't have a finalist in the European Cup from 85-92 after a period of dominance in the late 70s and early 80s.
And why didn't England have any teams in European Cup finals during this time?Honest question--didn't the EPL make some pretty big changes in terms of loosening domestic player quotas and other rules/regs?
While I get the sentiment that it was just a re-branding exercise, I think that's selling it quite short. England was not a worldly place for football pre-EPL and it still took 10 or so years for the game to go truly international. As much as I hate to say it, Wenger deserves a fair amount of that credit as he brought training, nutrition, and related methods from the continent. Not a huge data point, but English clubs didn't have a finalist in the European Cup from 85-92 after a period of dominance in the late 70s and early 80s.
Monchi is an absolute legend. I have no idea if he's still got the fastball after all these years, but him getting jostled out of southern Spain is something.
Wenger also had a huge advantage over other clubs by being French and speaking French and had some insight into who good players on the continent were, particularly French players. It was a novel strategy at the time, which further illustrates your point.Honest question--didn't the EPL make some pretty big changes in terms of loosening domestic player quotas and other rules/regs?
While I get the sentiment that it was just a re-branding exercise, I think that's selling it quite short. England was not a worldly place for football pre-EPL and it still took 10 or so years for the game to go truly international. As much as I hate to say it, Wenger deserves a fair amount of that credit as he brought training, nutrition, and related methods from the continent. Not a huge data point, but English clubs didn't have a finalist in the European Cup from 85-92 after a period of dominance in the late 70s and early 80s.
English clubs were banned from European play for five years after the 1985 Heysel disaster, which was precipitated by Liverpool supporters.
Oh wow, I didn't realize that. It makes the absence of English/EPL clubs from 91-99 more relevant.And why didn't England have any teams in European Cup finals during this time?
(hint- don't ask Liverpool fans,)
The Premier League was/is simply a consolidation of power by the biggest clubs to make more money (and share less). The reason it became more worldly is because it had the money to buy the best players.
Everyone loosened domestic players quotas because of the Bosman ruling that allowed free movement for EU players within EU. And while the first division wasn't as popular as it is today, when I was growing up it Greece in the 80s and we had two tv stations, the only match I could watch live on the whole weekend was an English first division game on Saturday afternoon; not even Greek league games were shown live back then. Then you would get highlights from foreign leagues on sunday nights and the English first division was the first.Honest question--didn't the EPL make some pretty big changes in terms of loosening domestic player quotas and other rules/regs?
While I get the sentiment that it was just a re-branding exercise, I think that's selling it quite short. England was not a worldly place for football pre-EPL and it still took 10 or so years for the game to go truly international. As much as I hate to say it, Wenger deserves a fair amount of that credit as he brought training, nutrition, and related methods from the continent. Not a huge data point, but English clubs didn't have a finalist in the European Cup from 85-92 after a period of dominance in the late 70s and early 80s.