Kirk and Callahan: Done

[jacklamabe65]

Gerry's set-up of him was brilliantly played. "So you read the Wells Report?" And then sets up Chase for proving that he didn't at all. Chase was so frustrated that he said, "You guys can't get over the fact that your pretty boy quarterback cheated!" As Wells and Goodell have already done, he truly did it to himself. Self-immolation in the air. 

 

[chonce1]

Wow great segment with that USA Today idiot. That said, I read the Wells Report, but probably have forgotten some details -- so even a well-read person could get caught up on that trick. All of that said, this Chase guy said a bunch of nonsense and couldn't answer a single tough question. What an idiot.

 

[ivanvamp]

It was well done, but it's a bit unfair.  The Wells Report is really long.  And I've read it all, and I've read so much of everything that's come out that it's hard to keep track of everything.  If someone did that to me, I'd probably fall for it too.  Doesn't mean I didn't read it.  Just means that I can't remember every single one of the thousands of pages I've read (between the legal stuff and the articles and such).
 
But still....the guy was a total moron.

 

[Hoya81]

@footballfacts Just because there's no proof of something, does it mean it didn't happen?
— Chris Chase (@ChrisChaseFTW) August 13, 2015

 

[jacklamabe65]

Kirk Minihane ‏@kirkmin  9m9 minutes ago
Kirk Minihane retweeted Chris Chase
Here is the argument against -- it's all they've got.
Kirk Minihane added,




Chris Chase @ChrisChaseFTW
@footballfacts Just because there's no proof of something, does it mean it didn't happen?

 

[joe dokes]

Just because there's no proof of something, does it mean it didn't happen?
 

 
 
The same goes for accusations that a certain USA Today reporter is a child molester, does it not?

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

@footballfacts Just because there's no proof of something, does it mean it didn't happen?
— Chris Chase (@ChrisChaseFTW) August 13, 2015

Ah, the basis of every theistic religion in the history of ever.  Now I see.  We have to be heathen atheists to believe Brady's innocence.

 

[Omar's Wacky Neighbor]

This dude from USA Today (Chris Chase) is a buffoon.  Says Brady has never denied doing anything, but D&C&M point out that he HAS denied it - in a clear Facebook post AND under oath AND right after the AFCCG.  This guy simply shrugs them all off, saying that a Facebook post is meaningless, that his statements under oath don't count because he was answering parsed questions (never mind that some of them were by NFL lawyers), and that his statement after the AFCCG doesn't count either...just because.
 

That was the exchange that got me as well.  Similar to Russo and Volin the past few days:  mis-statement by the national mediot, D&C&M point out specific SIMPLE examples to blow the mis-statement out of the water, then comes either the personal attack or "C'mon, you KNOW he did it!"

 

[nattysez]

FWIW,this was shooting fish in a barrel. The only way I know of Chase is that various writers regularly comment on Twitter about how bad he is. I put him on the same level as Michael Rosenberg of SI - writers who have made it plain they are not intelligent enough to be taken seriously.

 

[Bleedred]

Gotta say that DC&M has been must listen radio these days for all things deflategate.  The incredible thing is how poised and calm they are when dealing with people like Chase, Russo, etc.  They know the facts better than any other media people and are willing to coolly entertain any argument against Brady, and then counter with actual facts.  I'd love for them to get Mazzerotti on the air (which obviously would never happen).   Kudos to them. 

 

[Jed Zeppelin]

I try not to get too far into thinking "any anti-Brady argument is a bad one" but, man, that guy had like 15 different things to say about it and they were all just terrible and indicative of what happens when you start at guilty and work from there.
 
The McNally thing was a bit of a mean trick against a guy already on the ropes but he deserved it. The pattern of guys going on D&C then whining about it afterward on Twitter is pretty funny. Sounds like the Kravitz interview was more civil, though he still hangs his hat on "Brady acted like a guilty person."

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

I try not to get too far into thinking "any anti-Brady argument is a bad one" but, man, that guy had like 15 different things to say about it and they were all just terrible and indicative of what happens when you start at guilty and work from there.
 
The McNally thing was a bit of a mean trick against a guy already on the ropes but he deserved it. The pattern of guys going on D&C then whining about it afterward on Twitter is pretty funny. Sounds like the Kravitz interview was more civil, though he still hangs his hat on "Brady acted like a guilty person."

 
This is the only reason I'm even aware of these guys going on D&C (other than this thread).  I haven't listened to the show since NESN dropped them, but I still follow Minihane and his responses to their whining are always fun.  It really exposes the amount of back-rubbing and ball-washing that goes on within the media that they all seem to have expected to go on the air with D&C&M and speak their mind without any push back at all.  So when they are questioned and their flawed faulty arguments fall apart, they are completely lost as to how to react.
 
I've said it before, but between Minihane not seeming to give a fuck since day 1 and Dennis seeming to come to grips with the idea that his days are numbered, they really seem unafraid to burn bridges like so many hosts and reporters do.  Chase and Russo and Kravitz might not come back on their show because of how "unfair" and "mean" they were....oh well, no big loss.  It's somewhat refreshing.

 

[pedro1918]

It was well done, but it's a bit unfair.  The Wells Report is really long.  And I've read it all, and I've read so much of everything that's come out that it's hard to keep track of everything.  If someone did that to me, I'd probably fall for it too.  Doesn't mean I didn't read it.  Just means that I can't remember every single one of the thousands of pages I've read (between the legal stuff and the articles and such).
 
But still....the guy was a total moron.

 
For someone who is supposedly covering this story to not know that Jastrzemski and McNally's testimony were not included in the Wells Report is ridiculous.  It has been well publicized, so even if he didn't read it he should have known. And if he couldn't remember it being in the Wells Report he should have said "I don't remember that" instead of of claiming he did.
 
The guys is a weasel.  A stupid weasel.

 

[teddywingman]

Exactly. If you're covering this story and you don't know that egregious fact--you're not really covering the story at all.

 

[CantKeepmedown]

Interesting tidbit I caught on my way into work this morning.  Dennis, Kirk, and Bradford were talking about who will be the 3rd man for mid-days, and Kirk said that he was approached to take the slot all by himself.  Both Dennis and Callahan went to Kirk and management saying not to do it.  Dennis confirmed it.  Hard to say if they were being honest, but maybe it shows what EEI management thinks of Kirk.  I really don't know how radio works, but I assume a solo mid-day slot is a bigger thing then a morning 3rd guy?  Maybe not.  

 

[burstnbloom]

I think the morning show is going to be Kirk's long term.  

 

[Vinho Tinto]

I think the morning show is going to be Kirk's long term.  

 
It's a crazy dynamic. I can't think of another successful radio show that added a personality who quickly became the alpha in the room. Even Jim Norton never became the #1 voice on Opie and Anthony.  

 

[MyDaughterLovesTomGordon]

Minihane wouldn't work by himself. He needs to be the contrarian/outsider and really needs a straight man - which is why I think he's great with Dennis. 
 
It would turn into him just ripping caller after caller. No sensible guest would ever come on it would just turn into a boring gripe fest. Plus, he doesn't really know shit about sports beyond current events and a good use of Google. 

 

[burstnbloom]

Minihane wouldn't work by himself. He needs to be the contrarian/outsider and really needs a straight man - which is why I think he's great with Dennis. 
 
It would turn into him just ripping caller after caller. No sensible guest would ever come on it would just turn into a boring gripe fest. Plus, he doesn't really know shit about sports beyond current events and a good use of Google. 

 
I agree.  I actually think he's detestable (no more so than the guy to his left) but he is clearly becoming the main guy on that show.  I would expect that he will end up having a less controversial co-host to keep him on task and drive the conversation forward.  

 

[chonce1]

I just hope Tanguay doesn't get a full-time gig. I literally switch him off whenever he is a fill-in host for any show. He is worse than Felger and Mazz because at least Felger is a smart troll (a troll nonetheless, but a pretty competent orator). Mazz is a simpleton like Tanguay, but at least he knows baseball.

 

[The Talented Allen Ripley]

Mazz knows baseball?

 

[HomeBrew1901]

Mazz knows baseball?

He actually does when he's not mailing it in next to Felger.  His baseball reporters show can be a pretty good listen.

 

[The Talented Allen Ripley]

Meh, I've been unimpressed with his baseball knowledge. He doesn't know any more than the typical fan, which is unforgivable, considering it's his job. He's particularly deficient when it comes to Sox prospects.

 

[Omar's Wacky Neighbor]

D&C just tweeted that Chris chase will be on again on Thursday at 7:45

 

[soxfan121]

Meh, I've been unimpressed with his baseball knowledge. He doesn't know any more than the typical fan, which is unforgivable, considering it's his job. He's particularly deficient when it comes to Sox prospects.

 
His knowledge ends when his time covering the team ended. Now, he's just another of the annoying voiced callers he imitates. 
 

D&C just tweeted that Chris chase will be on again on Thursday at 7:45

 
Trolls loving trolls at 7:45. Tune in and troll out.

 

[the1andonly3003]

 
His knowledge ends when his time covering the team ended. Now, he's just another of the annoying voiced callers he imitates. 
 
 
Trolls loving trolls at 7:45. Tune in and troll out.

they also tweeted that Chase backed out...Schefter will be on though, with Mut hosting(?)

 

[Erik Hanson's Hook]

Totally mocking Felger and Mazz right now. Loving it.

 

[ForKeeps]

Does Minihane realize how pathetic he sounds when he has to make sure everyone knows CSN "went to us first" before giving the simulcast to T&R?

 

[NortheasternPJ]

These are the same people who blamed the simulcast for tanking their ratings and were thrilled to have it gone right?
 
I'd be surprised if CSN actually did since they already have a full studio in 98.5. I think D&C lends it self better to a  telecast though. It really doesn't do anything for T&R. I watch it since it's a better setup in my home office instead of streaming.

 

[CantKeepmedown]

Volin will be on tomorrow with Mut and Kirk from 8-10.
 
Hopefully Kirk doesn't let up on him.  

 

[chonce1]

I have to admit I watched them a lot more on NESN than I listed to them now. The simulcasts really do give these shows a wider audience. It is one reason I see a lot more Felger and Mazz than is healthy for me (given how shitty they are).

 

[jacklamabe65]

They are calling ESPN sportscasters "moral cowards" right now and are focusing on that network's vindictiveness against the Patriots. 

 

[jsinger121]

Its Kirk at his best in my opinion.

 

[PC Drunken Friar]

Volin still beating the drum that BB is behind this and should be suspended and the NFL is protecting him, BC it would be bad for business if BB's reputation were tarnished.

 

[MillarTime]

Volin still beating the drum that BB is behind this and should be suspended and the NFL is protecting him, BC it would be bad for business if BB's reputation were tarnished.

Christ, he can't even come up with his own conspiracy theory? He's a complete idiot and the worst kind of troll.

 

[MillarTime]

How is dragging arguably the face of the NFL through all this BS better for business than pinning on BB? This dumbass theory has never made sense. It's simply Felger moving the goal post as per usual.

 

[Buster Olney the Lonely]

I'm now dumber for having listened to this. 
 
The argument goes like this:
 
V: The league didn't go after Belichick because they don't want to tarnish his reputation.
 
D&C: But they're willing to tarnish Brady's reputation?
V: Yes, because he wouldn't get a lifetime suspension like Belichick would. 
 
D&C: But why would the league leadership protect Belichick? Do you think they like him? 
V: I don't know.

 

[CantKeepmedown]

How is dragging arguably the face of the NFL through all this BS better for business than pinning on BB? This dumbass theory has never made sense. It's simply Felger moving the goal post as per usual.

When he brought this up a week or so ago, it was, "Brady has been clean his whole career.  He can handle this scandal.  If it were BB, he'd be out of the league and the NFL needs him."  Completely ridiculous and you really have to wonder if he really believes this.  

 

[Omar's Wacky Neighbor]

I'm now dumber for having listened to this. 
 
The argument goes like this:
 
D&C: But why would the league leadership protect Belichick? Do you think they like him?
V: I don't know.

Was just coming in post on this last line.  Volin put forth weak propositions on a number of issues, and it would always circle to the host asking him "But WHY?"
 
And his response was usually a variant of (a supposedly thought provoking) "I don't KNOW why...." as if not KNOWing why makes it even more concrete that something nefarious is going on.
 
Edit:   And Volin is convinced that RG and BB actually like each other, which the hosts had some fun with.

 

[BlackJack]

The notion that the league made a rational decision [not going after BB] because they would somehow be forced to make an irrational decision [suspend BB for life] if they didn't is inherently insane.

Edit: brackets to avoid B)

 

[Corsi]

Ben Volin is just not very bright.  I don't think he's evil or is trying to do any intentional harm.  I just don't think he's a bright man.

 

[HomeBrew1901]

Ben Volin is just not very bright.  I don't think he's evil or is trying to do any intentional harm.  I just don't think he's a bright man.

I can't speak to his intelligence, but I think he's found his platform and he's getting some short term noteriety out of it.  He's getting interviews and name recognition here and possibly in other parts of the country by playing heel to the Patriots and Brady.
 
He knows he's never going to get anything from Kraft and BB but maybe he can parlay this into being the local Anti Patriots reporter of choice for teams with an axe to grind and possibly move on to a national gig. 

 

[Gorton Fisherman]

One of the more idiotic aspects of Volin's dumb Belichick theory is the premise that the league would have been forced to "ban Belichick for life" had he been found complicit in DFG. Really? That would have been the only punishment option? For Spygate, BB received a $500,000 fine. So the next step up from that (for a "repeat offender") is a lifetime ban? Really? There are no other options between "$500,000 fine" and "lifetime ban"? Like, I don't know, maybe another fine? Or a fine combined with a multi-game suspension? Or, an entire year suspension, a la Sean Payton (who had "general awareness" of Bountygate)? 
 
Beleving that Belichick knew about or had a hand in the alleged ball deflation also requires you to believe that he just flat-out lied through his teeth during the entire "Mona Lisa Vito" press conference. 
 
Seriously, the "Belichick knew, and the league is protecting him!" thing may possibly be the stupidest single thing I've heard during this entire ridiculous pseudo-scandal. So naturally, dumbass Ben Volin eats it right up.
 

 

[Patriot_Reign]

Totally mocking Felger and Mazz right now. Loving it.

 
I listened to this...the timing is curious though.  Mazz hasn't been on all week, so what would've prompted that big 20 minute attack at the Thursday open?
And then later yesterday Christian Fauria tweeted something about (paraphrase here) 'I hear another local media troll can't keep my name out of his mouth again' in reference to Felger apparently mentioning him, presumably in the vein that all ex-Pats players are blindly loyal.
 
But it feels like they've been given direction to go after 98.5 much directly lately.

 

[soxfan121]

I can't speak to his intelligence, but I think he's found his platform and he's getting some short term noteriety out of it.  He's getting interviews and name recognition here and possibly in other parts of the country by playing heel to the Patriots and Brady.
 
He knows he's never going to get anything from Kraft and BB but maybe he can parlay this into being the local Anti Patriots reporter of choice for teams with an axe to grind and possibly move on to a national gig. 

 
That's how Albert Breer ended up at NFL Network.

 

[HomeBrew1901]

 
I listened to this...the timing is curious though.  Mazz hasn't been on all week, so what would've prompted that big 20 minute attack at the Thursday open?
And then later yesterday Christian Fauria tweeted something about (paraphrase here) 'I hear another local media troll can't keep my name out of his mouth again' in reference to Felger apparently mentioning him, presumably in the vein that all ex-Pats players are blindly loyal.
 
But it feels like they've been given direction to go after 98.5 much directly lately.

I heard that part of the F&M show  yesterday (maybe the day before), Felger said he doesn't listen to anything Heath Evans, Fauria, Matt Light and a few others have to say about the Patriots because they NEVER criticize the Patriots on anything, just like he doesn't listen to anyone that is 100% against everything they do.  Felger likes Bruschi, Troy Brown, Rodney Harrison, Ty Law etc because they will call the Patriots out when they screw up or aren't doing well.
 
Felger specifically called Evans, Fauria and Light by name as examples so I'm sure Fauria was not happy about it.  Fauria sucks donkey balls though.

 

[JayMags71]

Breer was pretty critical of the NFL today. Said he's been to 12 teams' training camp, and said player (on background) were "100% behind" Brady and Patriots.

 

[riceanddewey]

 
I listened to this...the timing is curious though.  Mazz hasn't been on all week, so what would've prompted that big 20 minute attack at the Thursday open?
And then later yesterday Christian Fauria tweeted something about (paraphrase here) 'I hear another local media troll can't keep my name out of his mouth again' in reference to Felger apparently mentioning him, presumably in the vein that all ex-Pats players are blindly loyal.
 
But it feels like they've been given direction to go after 98.5 much directly lately.

Pretty sure this was Matt Chatam, not Fauria.

 

[Patriot_Reign]

My apologies you are correct. Sorry for the mix up.

 

[Erik Hanson's Hook]

 
I listened to this...the timing is curious though.  Mazz hasn't been on all week, so what would've prompted that big 20 minute attack at the Thursday open?
And then later yesterday Christian Fauria tweeted something about (paraphrase here) 'I hear another local media troll can't keep my name out of his mouth again' in reference to Felger apparently mentioning him, presumably in the vein that all ex-Pats players are blindly loyal.
 
But it feels like they've been given direction to go after 98.5 much directly lately.

 
I feel the same. Heck, why not? it's safe to say that there's enough pro-Patriot sentiment to make that a viable ratings strategy. Make F&M caricatures of themselves.