Kirk and Callahan: Done

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

D&C want you to know soccer sucks.
 
They also want you to know that there is a large drop off in participation between young children playing soccer and high school playing soccer.
 
According to Callahan, he thinks there would be an average of 10 players on a high school varsity soccer roster.
 
Generally speaking, a starting lineup consists of 11 players.

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

Also, according to Callahan, there's no reason the US can't field a dominate roster of soccer players despite the fact that many many young athletes in this country tend to gravitate to sports like basketball, football, and baseball ahead of soccer.  Because even after you siphon off the football players and the basketball players and even the golfers and hockey players, the US should still have way more great athletes than the likes of Ghana and Uruguay where soccer attracts their very best.  Because, you know, USA USA USA!

 

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

The day after a brilliant USA soccer win, they spent the entirety of the hour (at least what I heard flipping over on commercial breaks) discussing the recent events of the OJ Simpson trial and how black people shouldn't be happy that a murderer evaded punishment.
 
It's the 20th anniversary of the Bronco chase. Let's reminisce! 

 

[Traut]

Brilliant! Yesterday, Colin Cowherd was talking about the World Cup ratings. He said the ratings a huge and rising rapidly in the right demographics: those under 38. He said that if he wants to remain on the air for ten years he has to pay attention to soccer.  He then talked about how a 3 share for a World Cup game is much more important than a 3 share for the US Open because the demographic is so much older. 
 
You have to be almost 35 years old to even remember the OJ trial. 25 year olds have no understanding of it. The fact that they spent that long on OJ this morning reflects how stupid they are. 
 
They belong on a conservative right wing AM radio show. Yet for some reason, they're on NESN and talking sports radio across New England.

 

[Dan Murfman]

Just be glad you missed the first hour when they actually talked about the game.

 

[PC Drunken Friar]

From what I heard, they made fun of Brooks for being head-down on the turf post-goal, until they realized that he had a hangnail.
 
Or they were HORRIFIED that they actually showed Altidore's HORRIFIC injury and tried to sarcastically compare it to Theismann's leg injury.
 
They did admit that they "didn't hate it" but that it was terribly boring for them from :30-80:00....still not covering themselves in glory here.

 

[allstonite]

On Toucher & Rich (well only Fred today) I think were taking some not so veiled shots at D&C and their coverage of the World Cup. Fred basically said they (T&R) don't really know or care about soccer except for one month every 4 years. But rather than make fun of soccer players and fans which would be good for an easy hour to fill, they were going to embrace it and try to learn and have experts on every day. Fred even referenced the growing ratings and said why would you want to alienate all of those people.

 

[doctormoist]

Christ, Day 25 of "Why Native Americans Have Thin Skins According To Privileged Bigoted White Guys".  
 
Railing against "beautiful people", "the elite", poseurs, Harry Reid, and the slippery slope leading to changing every name in existence that references native people.

 

[doc]

I really liked when they thought "Warriors" was offensive to somebody. 

 

[Traut]

Does this drivel drive ratings for them? It must, right? Or are they just so angry they can't help themselves?
 
There a ton of great topics out there this morning. In the hour that I listened to Mike and Mike in the morning they talked with a soccer guy about England v. Italy, they had the Redskins' lawyer on to explain the significance or lack thereof of yesterday's ruling, and Mark Buerhle talking about whether Clayton Kershaw turned in the best pitching performance ever last night. I prefer my sports local but if everything that can be said about the Redskins name has already been said. Explaining the ruling without arguing about it was interesting.

 

[Red Right Ankle]

Sadly, T&R were only slightly better this morning.

 

[John Marzano Olympic Hero]

"When the PC police get finished with the Redskins, who's next?"
 
So true, Gerry, so very true. It reminds me of the first draft of Marin Niemoller's poem:
 
First they came for the Redskins, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Redskin.
 
Then they came for the Giants, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Giant.
 
Then they came for the Cowboys, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Cowboy.
 
Then they came for the Eagles, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not an Eagle.
 
Then they came for the Bears, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Bear.
 
Then they came for the Lions, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Lion.
 
Then they came for the Packers, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Packer.
 
Then they came for the Vikings, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Viking.
 
Then they came for the Panthers, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Panther.
 
Then they came for the Saints, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Saint.
 
Then they came for the Buccaneers, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Buccaneer.
 
Then they came for the Falcons, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Falcon.
 
Then they came for the Seahawks, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Seahawk.
 
Then they came for the Forty Niner, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Forty Niner.
 
Then they came for the Cardinals, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Cardinal.
 
Then they came for the Rams, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Ram.
 
Then they came for the Raiders, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Raider.
 
Then they came for the Chiefs, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Chief.
 
Then they came for the Broncos, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Bronco.
 
Then they came for the Texans, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Texan.
 
Then they came for the Jaguars, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jaguar.
 
Then they came for the Titans, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Titan.
 
Then they came for the Colts, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Colt.
 
Then they came for the Browns, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Brown.
 
Then they came for the Steelers, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Steeler.
 
Then they came for the Bengals, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Bengal.
 
Then they came for the Ravens, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Raven.
 
Then they came for the Bills, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Bill.
 
Then they came for the Jets, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jet.
 
Then they came for the Dolphins, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Dolphin.
 
Then they came for the Patriots, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Patriot.
 
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

[MyDaughterLovesTomGordon]

I was listening for five minutes before I hit the highway and put on Buster Olney's baseball tonight podcast with Stark, talking about Tony Gwynn, which I highly recommend. Olney covered Gwynn for three years in San Diego and has some great stories. 
 
Anyway, a guy who's half native american called in and is quite rational. Says, hey, if enough people are talking about it that the issue is this mainstream, that's an indication that maybe you should change the name. It's not like Native Americans have special voices, we all have a voice on this issue. If you actually think Celtics is offensive to you because you're Irish, you should speak up about that and get it changed. If you don't, then don't. I find Redskins offensive so I'm speaking up about it. 
 
Dennis: Really, you were devastated every time you heard the word Redskins?
 
Guy makes an easy joke: Of course I was, I'm a cowboys fan!
 
Dennis: No, seriously, this really bothered you?
 
Guy: Well, I did do my senior paper in high school on the Redskins name and its history and why it's considered offensive, yes. I'm not sure "devastated" is the right word. But, yeah, I'd like to see it changed. 
 
Callahan: Yeah, but if the people who are saying it's offensive are just saying it's offensive because it's the cool thing to do, that doesn't really count, does it?
 
Guy: Why would someone lie about being offended or caring about something? That doesn't make any sense.
 
They hang up on him. 
 
Next guy calls up to tell the heroic story of how his town stood up to some kid who wanted to have the high school team's name changed. All three agree that such a story of triumph could never happen today. 
 
Then I made the highway. Turn on podcast... 

 

[John Marzano Olympic Hero]

Callahan: Yeah, but if the people who are saying it's offensive are just saying it's offensive because it's the cool thing to do, that doesn't really count, does it?
 

 
What is the fucking obsession with these three about "it's the cool thing to do". Soccer, changing the Redskins name, anything that doesn't fit into their narrow world view--it's all the cool thing to do.
 
I mean, are they trying to tell their audience that they (Gerry, John and Kirk) aren't cool? Because most people understand that point. If you extrapolate this point out to it's conclusion, basically they're saying that if you're a loyal listener to these three "uncool" dudes, you are even more uncool than them. 

 

[joe dokes]

Then they came for the Jets, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jet.
 

 

 

[MyDaughterLovesTomGordon]

Right. No one actually does anything that D&C wouldn't do because they actually want to do it. They only do those "weird" things because some PC overlord is forcing them to do those things, or because they want to appear as PC because that confers some special status, or because they're following some trend created by the mainstream media. 
 
Essentially, in the D&C worldview, all action taken by people who disagree with them is insincere and a giant lie. And if people only just acted like they wanted to in their heart of hearts, then they would agree with D&C all the time. 
 
D&C follow their hearts and do what true humans do. All others are constantly betraying their true humanity in the pursuit of public acceptance. 

 

[joe dokes]

 
What is the fucking obsession with these three about "it's the cool thing to do". Soccer, changing the Redskins name, anything that doesn't fit into their narrow world view--it's all the cool thing to do.
 
I mean, are they trying to tell their audience that they (Gerry, John and Kirk) aren't cool? Because most people understand that point. If you extrapolate this point out to it's conclusion, basically they're saying that if you're a loyal listener to these three "uncool" dudes, you are even more uncool than them. 

 
Because that's all they have. Because the alternative is to engage intelligently. Because they are so often in the dead-ender minority on issues of public concern, their choices are either to defend their (very often -- but not always) indefensible positions rationally and intelligently, OR, in the alternative, to simply denigrate the "opposition" by "arguing" that those who hold opposing views don't really have ANY sincere, rational or intelligent reasons for holding those views; nope, they're just doing it to be "cool."
 
Your last point is right, but their use of "cool" isn't the same as yours.  "Cool" is dog-whistle speak for "liberal," which is its own dog-whistle for gay-loving, not sufficiently minority-hating, not sufficiently bro-centric, not sufficiently jingoistic, etc.
 
I dont know if John Dennis and/or Gerry Callahan are stupid, narrow-minded bigots. Maybe the whole show is an act.  Nor do I think that *everyone* who listens to their show is a stupid, narrow-minded bigot. Hell, maybe not even a majority.  But the unavoidable fact is that they dont think that they will have enough of an audience unless they make a special effort to appeal to stupid, narrow-minded bigots.

 

[tomdeplonty]

I think about that worldview, and then I think of the ads on EEI. Doctors for Lasik, teeth whitening, hair replacement, ED. Lawyers for drunk drivers, people who dodge their taxes, men getting divorced. And amateur philosophers selling candy.

 

[Jimy Hendrix]

amateur philosophers selling candy.

Wha? I've been out of town so I don't hear non-Sox game 'EEI ads, and this is a mystifying and intriguing idea. The reality will inevitably be disappointing, but I am curious.

 

[Traut]

For radio's sake, why isn't Minihane taking the view the Redskins should change their name? That has the possibility of at least being entertaining.

 

[WaxPack]

I think about that worldview, and then I think of the ads on EEI. Doctors for Lasik, teeth whitening, hair replacement, ED. Lawyers for drunk drivers, people who dodge their taxes, men getting divorced. And amateur philosophers selling candy.

 
All of those ads are still better than the wacked out guy from Brennan's Smoke shop.

 

[tomdeplonty]

Wha? I've been out of town so I don't hear non-Sox game 'EEI ads, and this is a mystifying and intriguing idea. The reality will inevitably be disappointing, but I am curious.

 

 
All of those ads are still better than the wacked out guy from Brennan's Smoke shop.

 
Sorry! It was the Brennan's Smoke Shop guy I was thinking of. I got confused - one of his screeds was about the dangers of candy and sugary drinks. There have been a couple of others. They are strange.

 

[tomdeplonty]

http://www.brennanssmokeshopma.com/commercials.html

 

[yep]

http://www.brennanssmokeshopma.com/commercials.html

Those commercials are something else. They sound like the sort of borderline mental-illness you get on cable access stations. 

 

[URI]

What is the fucking obsession with these three about "it's the cool thing to do". Soccer, changing the Redskins name, anything that doesn't fit into their narrow world view--it's all the cool thing to do.
 
I mean, are they trying to tell their audience that they (Gerry, John and Kirk) aren't cool? Because most people understand that point. If you extrapolate this point out to it's conclusion, basically they're saying that if you're a loyal listener to these three "uncool" dudes, you are even more uncool than them.

That explains why T&R are kicking the shit out of them in the ratings...listening to T&R is the cool thing to do.

 

[doctormoist]

They're trying to come off as brave iconoclasts, making the tough but honest call, taking the unpopular stance, fiercely battling against the liberal scourge of political correctness.  Their astonishing lack of self-awareness shields them from the fact that they are close-minded, self-centered, entitled clowns without an ounce of empathy for anyone who doesn't share their narrow and stunted world view.

 

[CantKeepmedown]

The problem with them is that they will say, as they did yesterday, that everyone has a right to have their opinion heard.  So those that feel the term Redskins is offensive should absolutely be able to have a voice and be heard.  However, they pretty much think everyone who says it's offensive is lying.  
 
An African American man called in yesterday and said that he found it funny that 3 white, non native americans were trying to tell people to not be so sensitive.  They immediately jumped on him and went with the 'ol, "So, tell me when the term Redskins became offensive to you?"  The guy didn't really give an answer, but did state that being African American gave him some perspective on dealing with racism.  Callahan literally groaned, out loud, when the guy said this.  He simply cannot hide his bigoted ways.
 
They asked the guy again about when Redskins started becoming offensive to him and he said sometime in 1996 and they hung up on him and said he was being disingenuous.   

 

[WaxPack]

So the majority of those that complain here... Are you all loyal listeners of D&C or do you mostly listen to the zookeepers in 98.5 and jump in here to pile on like junior seau?

Listen. I get that people don't like D&C and that's fine. I can't even listen to them everyday. But at this point if you keep going back even though you hate them, it's your own fault.

 

[joe dokes]

So the majority of those that complain here... Are you all loyal listeners of D&C or do you mostly listen to the zookeepers in 98.5 and jump in here to pile on like junior seau?

Listen. I get that people don't like D&C and that's fine. I can't even listen to them everyday. But at this point if you keep going back even though you hate them, it's your own fault.

 
I dont listen at all, except for the occasional 15 seconds if the radio is still on WEEI from last night's game. But I also dont watch C-span to see every comment made by every congressman. Sometimes I read about them. Sometimes I hear about them from, for example, The Daily Show. And sometime I react to what I read -- without ever having heard the original comment. If I trust the source, then I trust my reaction. So it goes here. Know thine enemy, I suppose.
 
If there are 5 people who read this thread and came away thinking, "Shit, I never quite realized what shitheads these guys are," then this thread serves a purpose. (Even if 5 other people think, "those are my kind of guys!!!") I think of the people who do listen -- but dont like them -- as volunteering to do what Chad Finn does professionally.
 
For better or worse, D & C are, to some extent, shapers of (a minority, usually) opinion (or reflectors of a minority opinion) in a scene that matters to me -- Boston sports. One way or another, having a passing familiarity with what they talk about is a part of being informed about that scene.

 

[ForKeeps]

Any time someone says, "Well why do you listen/watch/read if you hate it so much?!" I just assume that they implicitly agree with what the other person is saying about the show/writer/whatever. Otherwise, since they are presumably fans of said thing, they would engage with the actual points being made and try to counter them. The fact that people listen to a show they ostensibly hate and then come here to post about it doesn't make what they're saying about that show any less valid.

 

[MyDaughterLovesTomGordon]

I like sports radio, in general, and here in Maine we've got D&C and a local show in the morning, and the local show is completely unlistenable (the guys in the afternoon are very good, though). And D&C are sometimes listenable when they have a good guest. Their Tom Brady and Ben Cherington interviews, for example, almost always produce something interesting. 
 
There are times when they're funny, too, riffing on actual sports. Minihane helps with this. For a while, too, they were forced to stop with the politics and they improved quite a bit. 
 
So, before i plug in a podcast or put music on, I often give them a shot to see what's up. If there's no conservative topic du jour, they can be okay as a way to kill 10 minutes or so. 
 
Lately, with soccer and the Redskins, they've been a horror-show, though. Completely unlistenable. 

 

[Snoop Soxy Dogg]

I agree with the above. I listen to them semi-regularly - as in they're in my radio rotation. I think they're bigoted and all those things that have been said upthread, and I'm fairly certain I fall outside of their target demographic. However, I actually like listening to sports talk radio in general, and I don't have a lot of patience for sophomoric humor, so T&R are not a great alternative for me. That said, when D&C get into their social/politics zone, I listen for a couple of minutes, then just switch the station or go to podcast mode, and I usually don't return.
 
For some reason, it's as though they've gotten comfortable again with that stuff lately; there was a (short) period when they were cowed, and sports was really the focus; I thought they were actually pretty good. But lately, they've just been unlistenable. To spend all the time they did on OJ, and "Obama is cowing to terrorists!", the morning after a major game or sporting event was just mindboggling to me; same with the silly soccer thing, and the redskin matter only added to that. They just can't help themselves with that stuff, and I agree with whomever said upthread that they really should be on right wing am, because it seems that's what they really want to do, the sport thing just gets in the way of that.    

 

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

So the majority of those that complain here... Are you all loyal listeners of D&C or do you mostly listen to the zookeepers in 98.5 and jump in here to pile on like junior seau?

 
Shit like this is so fucking bizarre.
 
No sane human being has loyalty to a fucking radio station. When a poster comes in to defend one show/station and slander its competitors (without giving any context other then to sling shit), the person is either:
 
A.) Employed at said radio station
 
B.) A mouth breather that won't fit onto the site
 
Should just fucking put these accounts down the second they pop up. Save everyone the fucking time.

 

[WaxPack]

Oh yes I am a mouth breather and I work at EEI.
 
I asked a serious question and you KFP have some need to shut me up? Is that the MO of this site? Sorry for having a different opinion than you.
 
It seems to me that there are some here that are obvious fans of the morning zoo at 98.5 and just like to come here and dump on WEEI. I just don't get the point of that. If you are into hotsportztakes and their brand of humor I can see whey you like those guys. Good for you, its not my thing. . As I stated above (did you read my post fully?) there are times when I shut them off being a leftie liberal I can only take so much of it. 
 
I just don't get the drive by posts like "And that's why they are getting killed in the ratings." Hey F&M are getting great ratings, but that doesn't mean the show actually bring worthwhile commentary or discussion. Its LCD radio like Chad Finn once pointed out many moons ago.

 

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

Oh yes I am a mouth breather and I work at EEI.
 
I asked a serious question and you KFP have some need to shut me up? Is that the MO of this site? Sorry for having a different opinion than you.
 
It seems to me that there are some here that are obvious fans of the morning zoo at 98.5 and just like to come here and dump on WEEI. I just don't get the point of that. If you are into hotsportztakes and their brand of humor I can see whey you like those guys. Good for you, its not my thing. . As I stated above (did you read my post fully?) there are times when I shut them off being a leftie liberal I can only take so much of it. 
 
I just don't get the drive by posts like "And that's why they are getting killed in the ratings." Hey F&M are getting great ratings, but that doesn't mean the show actually bring worthwhile commentary or discussion. Its LCD radio like Chad Finn once pointed out many moons ago.

 
Your question wasn't serious, it was fucking stupid. People complaining either have to be (A) loyal listeners who have become disenchanted with D&C, or (B) are fans of the "zookeepers (?) in 98.5"? Dumb.
 
If you've actually read the last several pages of this thread, you can see several people describing their exact issues with D&C. Essentially, people don't want to listen to 2 racist has-beens complain about rich white guy problems. It was a lot of fun, for example, listening to Dennis say that if Lucy Li - the 11 year old Asian golfer - wasn't golfing, she probably would already be a senior in high school. In fact, the 5 minutes I listened to them boiled down to:
 

• Lucy Li is Asian, therefore she would be a senior in high school at 11 years old
• Koreans eat dog
• Lucy Li is an 11 year old girl, so she should be home playing with dolls and a dollhouse (because that's what girls do, get it?!)
• Luci Li was eating ice cream at her news conference, her parents only gave it to her to make her seem normal

etc etc etc.
 
There are, quite literally, hundreds of posts in this thread that give examples and details as to why people don't like D&C and it has nothing to do with Toucher & Rich. 
 
So if you "don't get the drive by posts", maybe you should consider not making them yourself, and bring some real substance to the table other then "I like the radio shows I listen to. I don't like the ones I don't listen to."

 

[Billy Jo Robidoux]

Oh yes I am a mouth breather and I work at EEI.
 
I asked a serious question and you KFP have some need to shut me up? Is that the MO of this site? Sorry for having a different opinion than you.
 
It seems to me that there are some here that are obvious fans of the morning zoo at 98.5 and just like to come here and dump on WEEI. I just don't get the point of that. If you are into hotsportztakes and their brand of humor I can see whey you like those guys. Good for you, its not my thing. . As I stated above (did you read my post fully?) there are times when I shut them off being a leftie liberal I can only take so much of it. 
 
I just don't get the drive by posts like "And that's why they are getting killed in the ratings." Hey F&M are getting great ratings, but that doesn't mean the show actually bring worthwhile commentary or discussion. Its LCD radio like Chad Finn once pointed out many moons ago.

 
Were you reading Chad's column to get news about how soon until you get canned?

 

[Cesar Crespo]

The afternoon guys in Maine are brutal when it comes to the Sox and armchair GMing. Win now mentallity.

 

[Reverend]

I just don't get the drive by posts like "And that's why they are getting killed in the ratings." Hey F&M are getting great ratings, but that doesn't mean the show actually bring worthwhile commentary or discussion. Its LCD radio like Chad Finn once pointed out many moons ago.

 
I'm thinking you didn't actually understand the post, which was about the new trend of invoking "the cool kids" as a way of painting oneself as a kind of double-reverse iconoclast and therefore the truly cool. It's pretty much a staple of the bs right wing radio that people have been comparing them too.
 
It certainly wasn't a drive by.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

The afternoon guys in Maine are brutal when it comes to the Sox and armchair GMing. Win now mentallity.

 

[Red Right Ankle]

 

SJH are brutal when it comes to the Sox and armchair GMing. Win now mentallity is a poopyhead.

 

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

Now that's just mean.

 

[Red Right Ankle]

Naw, just average.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

:bravo:

 

[Cesar Crespo]

He's right though. Shoe and Joe are even worse. Their hot take on Manny and all. It's 100% troll radio.

 

[WaxPack]

 
Were you reading Chad's column to get news about how soon until you get canned?

 
yes I'm John Dennis.

 

[Judge Mental13]

 
Shit like this is so fucking bizarre.
 
No sane human being has loyalty to a fucking radio station.

 
Disagree, having worked in radio for a while now I can say for certain that plenty of sane (and to be fair, totally insane) people are indeed loyal to various radio station in the region and outside of it.  Those people tend to be older, but they certainly do still exist.  

 

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

 
Disagree, having worked in radio for a while now I can say for certain that plenty of sane (and to be fair, totally insane) people are indeed loyal to various radio station in the region and outside of it.  Those people tend to be older, but they certainly do still exist.  

They're idiots.

 

[CantKeepmedown]

Listened for five minutes this morning as I went to the store.  Callahan had these 3 gems:
 
On the World Cup......"If soccer really wants to get popular world wide, like next level popular, they need to stop with all the diving."
 
On Rinaldo......"He is the most overrated athlete in the world."
 
On Michelle Wie, responding to Minnihane calling her a butterface........"Well, yeah, she's Asian."

 

[HomeBrew1901]

 
On Michelle Wie, responding to Minnihane calling her a butterface........"Well, yeah, she's Asian."

Wait what???

 

[TSC]

Wait what???

 
Oh God I hope this is true.
 
I'm not sure how many nails it needs - but this could be another one in the coffin.