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All 15 of Verlander's Ks last night were swinging, pretty crazy.

Also if there is any question who is the front-runner to start the ASG and to win the Cy Young in the AL, this should settle it:

"Justin Verlander is on pace to become the 1st qualified pitcher in the modern era (since 1900) to allow fewer than 7 baserunners per 9 IP.

Justin Verlander (6.9 in 2019)
Walter Johnson (7.2 in 1913)
Pedro Martinez (7.2 in 2000)
Addie Joss (7.3 in 1908)"
 

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A real Coors field game tonight, the Rockies were beating the Padres 11-5 going into the 9th but 6 in the 9th and now 5 in the 12th have SD up 16-11. Hunter Renfroe had a HR in both of those innings as well as one earlier in the game, but somehow he only knocked in 5 of their 16 runs. But COL should not give up hope yet, they just need a last minute TD drive to steal this. :)
 

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Blackmon leads off with a HR against Yates, 16-12 now.

Edit: But Yates gets the next three guys and ends the fun, 16-12 final.
 

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All 15 of Verlander's Ks last night were swinging, pretty crazy.

Also if there is any question who is the front-runner to start the ASG and to win the Cy Young in the AL, this should settle it:

"Justin Verlander is on pace to become the 1st qualified pitcher in the modern era (since 1900) to allow fewer than 7 baserunners per 9 IP.

Justin Verlander (6.9 in 2019)
Walter Johnson (7.2 in 1913)
Pedro Martinez (7.2 in 2000)
Addie Joss (7.3 in 1908)"
And I know it’s a hitters park and the ball is juiced but 1.5 HR/9
 

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Yordan hits 4th HR in first 5 games. Dude looks like a young Papi. Astros are going to be impossible to stop once they get all their guys back.
 

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Yordan hits 4th HR in first 5 games. Dude looks like a young Papi. Astros are going to be impossible to stop once they get all their guys back.
At least we can laugh at the Dodgers giving him away for Josh Fields. :)
 

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Mike Yastrzemski ends a Giants win by making a diving catch that his grandpa would have been proud of.
That catch was insane. Don't look now, the Giants have won four in a row. They probably shouldn't just give MadBum away (only b/c they are already stuck with awful contracts for Cueto, JS, Longoria, and MM).
 

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Tigers manager Ron Gardenhire was just ejected for arguing balls & strikes... at which point he went to the plate to give the umpire an earful, then turned and kicked dirt across the plate. Indians hitter Oscar Mercado was in the batter's box and line of fire, so Gardenhire apologized for getting him dirty and walked off the field.

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Tigers reliever Victor Alcantara might want to drop his habit of staring at his feet prior to his delivery. It just led to a Leonys Martin straight steal of home.

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This is insane even for Coors Field... last 3 SD @ COL scores: 16-12, 14-8, 13-13 (ongoing)

Thursday’s 9-6 was the most normal game of the series!!
 

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This is insane even for Coors Field... last 3 SD @ COL scores: 16-12, 14-8, 13-13 (ongoing)

Thursday’s 9-6 was the most normal game of the series!!
Highest scoring 4 game series in MLB history, Mike Axisa says the two teams were .379/.429/.645 for the series combined. That is ridiculous.
 

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A real Coors field game tonight, the Rockies were beating the Padres 11-5 going into the 9th but 6 in the 9th and now 5 in the 12th have SD up 16-11. Hunter Renfroe had a HR in both of those innings as well as one earlier in the game, but somehow he only knocked in 5 of their 16 runs. But COL should not give up hope yet, they just need a last minute TD drive to steal this. :)
And in the end, here is what that series produced:

Thu: Col 9-6

Fri: SD 16-12 (F/12)

Sat: Col 14-8

Sun: SD 14-13 (check out that line score, below)

92 runs in a 4-game series. New MLB record.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
SD 3 2 3 0 0 0 2 0 4 14 15 1
COL 6 3 0 0 1 3 0 0 0 13 19 1
 

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Just crazy at Coors. Also the 2nd most hits in a four game series ever. 130 hits were just 2 behind the record set in 1922. Amazingly the last 11 Rox went down in order yesterday. Winning run scored when a pinch hitting Padre pitcher drew a walk after Bud Black ordered 2 ibb'to load the bases.
 

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Amazing Charlie Blackmon home/road splits:

Home -- .452/.504/.983 (1.486 OPS)
Road -- .233/.272/.357 (.629 OPS)
 

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Then SD went back home after that crazy Coors series and has thrown 14 straight scoreless innings against the Brewers.
 

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Logan Allen, who Dombrowski foolishly included in Kimbrel trade was dynamite in his debut: 7 innings, 3 hits, no runs, 2 walks, 5Ks. He just the guy the Sox need now.

And when I say "foolishly," the Padres had already gotten two top prospects in Margot and Guerra and a utility type in Asuaje. AND the Red Sox were picking ALL the contract and still giving up talent. There was no need to throw in a very talented guy signed ford for well over his draft slot.
 

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So you think the Kimbrel trade shouldn't have been done?

Or you know somehow that they didn't have to include Logan Allen in the deal?

And you know that he's going to be the Real Thing and not just a one game wonder???
 

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Logan Allen, who Dombrowski foolishly included in Kimbrel trade was dynamite in his debut: 7 innings, 3 hits, no runs, 2 walks, 5Ks. He just the guy the Sox need now.

And when I say "foolishly," the Padres had already gotten two top prospects in Margot and Guerra and a utility type in Asuaje. AND the Red Sox were picking ALL the contract and still giving up talent. There was no need to throw in a very talented guy signed ford for well over his draft slot.
Holy fucking overreaction.

They gave up 3 nobodies and a maybe (and that's with the benefit of hindsight) for one of the best closers of all time, and ended up with a WS win afterward.

You're really going to cry about Logan freaking Allen? He isn't "just what the Sox need right now" because he made one good start years after getting dealt.
 

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Last night, Mickey Callaway warmed up Robert Gsellman (most reliever innings in the NL East, not just his own team) in the ninth inning of a 10-0 game. On top of that, he was also stretching DeGrom (101 pitches) to start the ninth, then ended up putting in Gsellman to finish the 10-2 win after DeGrom gave up two homers. The reason? He thought there might be inherited runners on base and he didn't want them to score and hurt DeGrom's stat line. Holy fucking shit. Mets.
 

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Can someone explain this to me? In the SD game Machado hit a ball that landed on top of the fence. According to what I read, the ump called it a homer. Hosmer was trotting around the bases. Cain throws the ball in and Shaw tags Hosmer as he rounds third. The umps review the play and rule it not a homer, and therefore call Hosmer out. If they say homer and the runners react accordingly how can they punish them when a review reverses it?

Also, less importantly, Machado was credited with a single despite the fact that he was almost on second when Hosmer was tagged.
 

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With the existence of replay, runners should be acting as if the ball is live as long as the defense is, just in case the initial call is overturned. I mean, there's no harm in Hosmer stopping at second (and Machado at first) and waiting for the umps to straighten everything out. If replay upholds the HR call, they just trot home. If replay doesn't, then they're all safe where they are. That said, Hosmer didn't do anything that any other runner in his place wouldn't have done so it's hard to blame him for what happened.

As for Machado getting credited with a single, it's entirely because the throw went to third to get Hosmer. He doesn't advance without that throw. Even given the circumstances, his getting to second shouldn't be assumed.
 

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Holy fucking overreaction.

They gave up 3 nobodies and a maybe (and that's with the benefit of hindsight) for one of the best closers of all time, and ended up with a WS win afterward.

You're really going to cry about Logan freaking Allen? He isn't "just what the Sox need right now" because he made one good start years after getting dealt.
Looks to me that's what he's doing
 

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With the existence of replay, runners should be acting as if the ball is live as long as the defense is, just in case the initial call is overturned. I mean, there's no harm in Hosmer stopping at second (and Machado at first) and waiting for the umps to straighten everything out. If replay upholds the HR call, they just trot home. If replay doesn't, then they're all safe where they are. That said, Hosmer didn't do anything that any other runner in his place wouldn't have done so it's hard to blame him for what happened.

As for Machado getting credited with a single, it's entirely because the throw went to third to get Hosmer. He doesn't advance without that throw. Even given the circumstances, his getting to second shouldn't be assumed.
That mostly makes sense except in the clip I saw Machado was coasting into second as the throw was going to third. Unless I missaw it.

Once the umps overturned the call it should have been runners on second and third. SD shouldn't be penalized for paying attention to the ump's call
 

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When I look back at the Kimbrel trade, I don't believe Logan Allen was even on the radar for any Sox fans.
He may end up being the best piece of the deal in the long term, but TINSTAAPP (did I spell that correctly?)
 

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When I look back at the Kimbrel trade, I don't believe Logan Allen was even on the radar for any Sox fans.
I mean, he only spent a few months in the organization after being drafted but he was certainly known by at least some here:


Kimbrel trade thread: https://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/sox-get-kimbrel.11812/
 

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I mean, he only spent a few months in the organization after being drafted but he was certainly known by at least some here:


Kimbrel trade thread: https://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/sox-get-kimbrel.11812/
"Aware of who he is" and "on the radar" are two very different things.
 

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"Aware of who he is" and "on the radar" are two very different things.
To me those are exactly the same things, but anyway it is irrelevant what you or I or the rest of the board or other Sox fans knew about him, he was a 18 year old drafted a few months before so of course none of us would know too much. It matters how management evaluated him, Miami has given away Paddack and Luis Castillo and Domingo German for different reasons but wow would they be a different team now if they had just kept even two of them.

But in Boston's case, it helped get them the closer for the best team in Sox history, one of the few best MLB teams in my entire lifetime (not just 108 wins, but kicking the crap out of the consensus top three best organizations in MLB right now, all 100 win editions that could only beat the Sox once). They mortgaged the future some to do that (Moncada), and it freaking paid off which I don't have to tell you.

But Allen looks like a loss right now, he just turned 22 and is already up with a very strong first effort. Could I interest you in a potential pre-arb Jon Lester who just turned 22? Margot looks like a relative dud though, although still good defensively and I would like to get him into NY's backup OF queue as a potential late bloomer. And Javy Guerra is no longer a shortstop but a recently converted reliever who has hit 100, but he is 23 and hurt so also looking like not much of a loss.
 

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To me those are exactly the same things, but anyway it is irrelevant what you or I or the rest of the board or other Sox fans knew about him, he was a 18 year old drafted a few months before so of course none of us would know too much. It matters how management evaluated him, Miami has given away Paddack and Luis Castillo and Domingo German for different reasons but wow would they be a different team now if they had just kept even two of them.

But in Boston's case, it helped get them the closer for the best team in Sox history, one of the few best MLB teams in my entire lifetime (not just 108 wins, but kicking the crap out of the consensus top three best organizations in MLB right now, all 100 win editions that could only beat the Sox once). They mortgaged the future some to do that (Moncada), and it freaking paid off which I don't have to tell you.

But Allen looks like a loss right now, he just turned 22 and is already up with a very strong first effort. Could I interest you in a potential pre-arb Jon Lester who just turned 22? Margot looks like a relative dud though, although still good defensively and I would like to get him into NY's backup OF queue as a potential late bloomer. And Javy Guerra is no longer a shortstop but a recently converted reliever who has hit 100, but he is 23 and hurt so also looking like not much of a loss.
No matter what way you want to try to spin it, unless he turns into the next Randy Johnson, Logan Allen is not a loss when it comes to that trade. Even if he does, I'd still take the title.

Margot sucks and Guerra is nothing. You don't have to write four paragraphs about it.
 

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Because so many guys throw 100 at 23, maybe back off being a belligerent dick occasionally.
If I could touch 100 throwing once as fucking hard as I possibly could with zero pitching experience and an injury, would you try to play me off as a realistic loss for the system? Probably not, but hey, let's go with the personal insults.

Maybe actually try not to spin things in a completely idealistic manner (I know, this is difficult for you, since the Yankees and Dodgers and Astros do everything so much better than the Red Sox do) and you'd get a response you'd like.
 
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If I could touch 100 throwing once as fucking hard as I possibly could with zero pitching experience and an injury, would you try to play me off as a realistic loss for the system? Probably not, but hey, let's go with the personal insults.

Maybe actually try not to spin things in a completely idealistic manner (I know, this is difficult for you, since the Yankees and Dodgers and Astros do everything so much better than the Red Sox do) and you'd get a response you'd like.
A remark by you, of all people, about “personal insults” is fucking rich.

He didn’t call you a “belligerent dick” to insult you. He used those words because they accurately describe the posting style you frequently use, which is unacceptable around here. Since he was an active participant in the discussion, perhaps you didn’t recognize his words as a gentle correction from a mod. I assume you won’t similarly fail to recognize this post as a less-gentle form of correction.
 

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A remark by you, of all people, about “personal insults” is fucking rich.

He didn’t call you a “belligerent dick” to insult you. He used those words because they accurately describe the posting style you frequently use, which is unacceptable around here. Since he was an active participant in the discussion, perhaps you didn’t recognize his words as a gentle correction from a mod. I assume you won’t similarly fail to recognize this post as a less-gentle form of correction.
Oh, okay. It's "unacceptable" to be snarky in response to multiple posts of misguided opinions trying to parse a trade into something it wasn't, got it. I'm sure that'll be evenly enforced across all boards to all posters, right?

PM me if you'd care to discuss it further, Board God.
 

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Can someone explain this to me? In the SD game Machado hit a ball that landed on top of the fence. According to what I read, the ump called it a homer. Hosmer was trotting around the bases. Cain throws the ball in and Shaw tags Hosmer as he rounds third. The umps review the play and rule it not a homer, and therefore call Hosmer out. If they say homer and the runners react accordingly how can they punish them when a review reverses it?

Also, less importantly, Machado was credited with a single despite the fact that he was almost on second when Hosmer was tagged.
Did the ump call it a home run? I didn't think he did. The replay I saw didn't show the ump but they were discussing it as if he didn't.
The quotes from Hosmer didn't mention the ump. Just that he made a mistake. Saw the ball go over and thought it was gone.

If they originally called it a HR, I believe they have the power to put runners where they think they would have ended up.
 

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Did the ump call it a home run? I didn't think he did. The replay I saw didn't show the ump but they were discussing it as if he didn't.
The quotes from Hosmer didn't mention the ump. Just that he made a mistake. Saw the ball go over and thought it was gone.

If they originally called it a HR, I believe they have the power to put runners where they think they would have ended up.
I'll be honest- I don't know. I either read it or maybe Orsillo said it afterwards, but when I found the clip later I agree that it wasn't clear that the ump signaled homer. But my understanding, at least based on what I read, was that they were reviewing whether to overturn the homer call, no? If that's the case I guess it was assumed that at some point one of the umps signaled homer. I don't think they can review a play that had no initial call- they had to make a call and then go to replay. And I never saw any indication that it was ruled in play while Hosmer was jogging to third.

Edit- just read this:

The ruling on the field was that Machado hit a home run. After a replay review, the ruling was overturned. Machado was credited with an RBI single (advancing to second on the play) and Hosmer was ruled out.
 

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There is no indication for ball in play. The default is that it is in play They would only make a call in this case if they were calling home run.
All potential home run calls are reviewable.

MLB story says call confirmed

“The umpire didn’t signal homer, so I just tagged him,” Shaw said.
The play went to replay review, where the ruling of no home run was confirmed.
In the video in mlb.com the announcers also discuss it as if no home run and ball in play the whole time
 
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Those two articles are saying the opposite thing. So I don't know what to believe anymore.
 

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Last night, Mickey Callaway warmed up Robert Gsellman (most reliever innings in the NL East, not just his own team) in the ninth inning of a 10-0 game. On top of that, he was also stretching DeGrom (101 pitches) to start the ninth, then ended up putting in Gsellman to finish the 10-2 win after DeGrom gave up two homers. The reason? He thought there might be inherited runners on base and he didn't want them to score and hurt DeGrom's stat line. Holy fucking shit. Mets.
So they fire their pitching coach and bullpen coach. Yet Callaway keeps his job.
 

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Crazy 9th in Oakland last night. 1-1. TB gets 3 in the top; Oakland wins it with 4 in the bottom, including Chapman 3-run walkoff.
 

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the Dodgers also let the first 6 batters on in the 9th against the Giants, turning a 9-4 game into a 9-8. but they retired the next 3 to barely win. Jansen was in after 3 batters but still almost blew it, he's probably past his prime at this point - still very good, but...
 

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the Dodgers also let the first 6 batters on in the 9th against the Giants, turning a 9-4 game into a 9-8. but they retired the next 3 to barely win. Jansen was in after 3 batters but still almost blew it, he's probably past his prime at this point - still very good, but...
And the Posey/Belt outs to end it were loud