This may not fit any analytics, but with more easy hoops, more scoring from the rest of the team he has less burden on him. I think he forced shots before and snowballed into bad nights. The good thing is good shooting can be contagious too.
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Absolutely. I think that both JT and JB benefit from the rhythm of the team and picking their spots when they're feeling it. Neither is at the level where they can force when the defense is waiting on it. Tatum can, but over time it affects his shot. A step-back 3 in the flow is different from the same shot with 4 seconds on the clock and nobody else is open.
Or bc there has been less resistance in dog day games against some of the worst defenses in the league? This team is coming together but man there have been so many games against glorified G-League teams lately. As you’re well aware, offensive flow is large due to rhythm and some of these teams look like they are defending like Yi Jianlian workouts
Last 10 games: 33.2 minutes, .500/.370/.820, 26.9 points, 7.9 rebounds, 5.7 assists, 0.9 steals, 0.3 blocks, 2.5 TO.
Shooting numbers are arbitrary as they include those 2 big games from 3, but the passing game has been consistent for awhile now, especially over the last 10.
He's had 4 assists in at least 9 of those games, including 7 or more 5 times.
Shooting numbers are arbitrary as they include those 2 big games from 3, but the passing game has been consistent for awhile now, especially over the last 10.
He's had 4 assists in at least 9 of those games, including 7 or more 5 times.
This is really just piggybacking the above post, but still. A 62% TS and a net rating of a cool +31.2 over these games as well.
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And still it feels like Tatum's defense is underappreciated.
Meanwhile, Austin Rivers is living at The Origin.
Meanwhile, Austin Rivers is living at The Origin.
Not a fan of making one axis symmetric about 0 and the other not.
You would be mislead looking at it to think Austin Rivers is the origin. He's the 3 pi / 4.
His DARKO looks like someone put an EKG on a depressed avocado too.
Part of the reason it's under appreciated is that it's new (well it was good while ago.... but it took a long and disappointing hiatus).
Even his "best fit" line on DARKO hasn't noticed how much better Jayson's D and overall game have been recently.
But if you look at the individual data points you can see how much better he has been playing, just takes some time for the line to catch up.
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Tatum opens up a lot here. Redick does a great job on the details.
Tatum opens up a lot here. Redick does a great job on the details.
He is very good, especially with his preparation and his engagement style. Between his resume and the locker rooms he was part of, it feels like he has a ton of cred with the players too which seems like it loosens them up. The Barnes/Stephen Jackson All The Smoke pod is great too though the quality varies.
I used to like Barnes and Jackson but now I can't listen to Jack after he defended Desean Jackson's anti-semitic Hitler quotes and then doubled down when called out.
Not to derail the Tatum thread but never forget Stephen Jackson said this shit:
I was unaware - thank you for sharing that quote.
As for the Tatum interview, I find him to be incredibly thoughtful for a 23 year old kid. Its hard not to be even more bullish on him after watching.
The anecdote about his conversation with Marcus was great to hear. Straight from the source, there was a sincere apology and acceptance.
Also, Tatum's stories about what he learned from other players including some of the alternate "coaches" from team USA were interesting. The whole episode is worth a listen.
As for the Tatum interview, I find him to be incredibly thoughtful for a 23 year old kid. Its hard not to be even more bullish on him after watching.
The anecdote about his conversation with Marcus was great to hear. Straight from the source, there was a sincere apology and acceptance.
Also, Tatum's stories about what he learned from other players including some of the alternate "coaches" from team USA were interesting. The whole episode is worth a listen.
100% agree. JJ is very intelligent, aware, does research pre-interview and is likable
One criticism about that interview. Why didn't JJ get into Tatum's 3pt shooting % drop this season? The one thing Redick is a complete expert in is 3pt shooting (heck the title of the show). They could have discussed form, Drew Hanlen work, confidence, dad conversation, 0-20 streak, new ball effect, how he's being defended, Olympic stress etc
Also of note. Subtly, JT pinned the blame on the Bubble/EC/Miami series loss on Brown/Game 3 Toronto/blown zone coverage
Since December 1st (35 games), he’s averaging 27/8/4.4 on a 59% TS. The counting stats are pretty much in line with his numbers for the season. But him being able to put up a 59% TS despite only shooting 34% from deep over that time? You’d have to think that bodes really well for whenever his outside shot returns to form.
I'm sure Reddick wants to interview JT again.
Reddick's great; really enjoy how he can fit his NBA experiences into the interview. For example (for those who haven't listened), JT says that the TOR series was the hardest 7 game series he's ever had to play; he was completely exhausted afterwards; and after BOS lost gave 3, he couldn't eat for 2 days. Reddick then comes in and says that in 2015, after LAC beat SAS, he had nothing left for the next series and that's why they blew the 3-1 lead.
On the actual play, the specifics of which we hashed out at the time, I just want to note that I heard Scal say on one or another podcast that the play could never have happened in a non-bubble game because Lowry was like further away from the inbounds line that he could have been if there were fans and that's the only way he could put the ball perfectly into OG's shooting pocket.
Tatum has his stats off the dome like most of these players so he probably knows his shooting is down. Redick has had plenty of variance in his career so I suspect he gets that pointing it out isn't helpful. Its noise and its understood that Tatum continues to work on his game.
I also like how detail oriented Tatum seems. This should serve him well as he picks up more NBA experience.
I also like how detail oriented Tatum seems. This should serve him well as he picks up more NBA experience.
To add to that, his shot chart is interesting.
Thought it might be interesting to compare shots charts from Tatum to the gold standard re: SF who shoot. Here's Tatum:
Here's Durant:
Obviously first thing that leaps out is how insanely good Durant is in the midrange. Tatum takes comparatively way more shots around the rim -- and thank god, because the midrange looks quite bad for him.
Always been a lot of talk about how quick a learner Tatum is, and how fast he applies new knowledge. You don't get to be as good of a defender as he is on measurables alone, for example, although those certainly help!
Thought it might be interesting to compare shots charts from Tatum to the gold standard re: SF who shoot. Here's Tatum:
Here's Durant:
Obviously first thing that leaps out is how insanely good Durant is in the midrange. Tatum takes comparatively way more shots around the rim -- and thank god, because the midrange looks quite bad for him.
I didn't hear Brown in there. I heard blame on the zone.
The "if we didn't have to go so long against Toronto" take isn't unsurprising and might be true.
That Toronto series was draining just to watch, I can’t imagine how mentally and physically exhausting it must have been to play in it. Just a brutal seven games.
They beat the shit out of Tatum too, and the refs called it like an old school series. I think he went to the line 8 times a game in that series, and he had to EARN those calls.
Also, this is a great read.
View: https://twitter.com/celticsblog/status/1495065803598798851?s=20&t=RgScpzN7LS5osBdQt1Vu5A
Great play all around by Toronto BUT
JT: we go zone, we have some miscommunication, they go over the top into the pocket of OG
not to relitigate but it was Brown's part of the zone. "miscommunicated" is a subtle way of saying it got screwed up
40 years of closely watching 99% of Syracuse hoops games, I'm comfortable talking zone principles. That can't happen in Jaylen's part of the zone. Jaylen can't body/deny/get on the left side of Gasol with two feet in the middle of the lane. Jaylen's right foot CAN'T touch the middle of the paint. Marcus was pointing it out to Brown
I love me some Jaylen Brown, but I'm not breaking news by saying he's a below-average help defender and especially bad in zone
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I'm not disagreeing that Brown read that wrong. Just pointing out that Jayson didn't say that.
If anything, I thought that he kinda let the players off the hook and threw it to the coaching staff with his non-verbals about how they went zone there. I inferred that he viewed that it was the wrong call, either due to the situation itself or because it was something that they didn't normally do on inbounds plays from there.
fair enough...I've always been critical of Brown's D, I could have read more into it than was there.
I can tell you who Smart blamed
It's fascinating how much credit JT gives the Raptors and talks about them not having one "weak defensive player/link" to pick on. That really matches up with what the Celtics did at the trade deadline exporting Enes/Schroder & importing White/Theis.
This is the best defensive 8 the Celtics have had in a long time.
Totally agree. It was a fascinating listen.fair enough...I've always been critical of Brown's D, I could have read more into it than was there.
I can tell you who Smart blamed
It's fascinating how much credit JT gives the Raptors and talks about them not having one "weak defensive player/link" to pick on. That really matches up with what the Celtics did at the trade deadline exporting Enes/Schroder & importing White/Theis.
This is the best defensive 8 the Celtics have had in a long time.
Of course he's a professional and a smart guy, but it's staggering to listen to how smart he is about the game at such a young age. And the recall is absurd, not just about huge plays too. He remembers what their lead was in game 2 against Miami in the bubble. Seems like a lifetime ago, but it still bothers him.
edit: Thinking about this, I'm wondering if Brad Stevens was a great coach for baby Tatum and Brown. Nurturing, supporting, academic, driven. Now that they're older and looking to get to the next level, Ime is still academic and a teacher, but he's pushing them to have an edge and better at holding people accountable. Could be wishcasting here, but I'm excited about how the new staff can tap into things that Brad wouldn't have been able to.
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Tatum is playing much better defense than he has over the last 2 seasons.
Its scheme or IME has pushed the right buttons. Either way, the Rookie HC/staff deserve credit in getting the superstar to step up on that side of the ball. Don't think it's wishcasting at all.
He drives us crazy on the offensive end at times, but the superstar gets a lot of credit for being coachable and invested on the defensive end. Tatum's body language and demeanor sometimes suggest a lack of intensity, but I was struck by him stating that he didn't eat for two days after that Game 3 loss to Toronto. We are very, very lucky to have him.
Not a small sample either, well over 600 possessions.
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Eh, its 320 minutes which still has a lot of variance. If you look at http://www.pbpstats.com/wowy-combos/nba?TeamId=1610612738&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular+Season&PlayerIds=1628369,203935,1627759,1629057 you will see even at that level of minutes the #s are a bit all over the map.
Tatum is drawing doubles and passing into a teammates shooting pocket.
see Corner Office's Q4 threes last night
Tatum, next level, happens every 20 games. the ascension continues...
Tatum Smart Brown and Timelord have a net rating of +19 over 600 minutes!
Who knows.
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This one has both Deuce and NSFW language at the end (from the music) so be careful:
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This one has both Deuce and NSFW language at the end (from the music) so be careful:
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You keep telling everyone that it’s the 2023 playoffs that matter, but after watching Major League last night Jayson Tatum said “Fuck you, Ben Hogan, I do it myself.”
Indeed. Tatum rim runs in Q4 tonight against the length of Anderson/JJJ/Adams was absurd. They'll make noise in the playoffs
If he could only outplay Lilliard, AD, Zion, Kawhi this season he could maybe crack the Top 10
Summer Lovin with Drew will return that 40% 3pt shot. Then there will only be 2 better.
Yeah I was thinking this watching his last few games. Everything he does now is about forcing doubles, or ad hoc doubles in the form of help when he drives. He's getting really, really comfortable with the reads and passes out of that.
And still only 19, crazy.
I posted this in another thread but his game is rounding out nicely. His assist rate since January is at a career high and trending in the right direction. I leave tiers to others but I stand by my view that ex his deep shooting he is making a leap of sorts. Given that it has coincided with the team's resurgence, it feels real and sustainable.
I agree with this.
His playmaking and vision has improved materially. He's a much harder guy to double. The TOs are still being worked through, but it's part of the process IMO.
Him basically crashing the rim against 2bigz all second half and finishing like a knife through butter, that shit is next level too. He's slowly morphing into the love child of Durant and Giannis.
Yeah, not having the 40% stepback 3 to fall back on has forced him to add a ton to his game. It's all sustainable imo; nothing is the result of hot shooting. If the shooting comes back, I don't think it's hyperbole to say he'll get into the MVP discussion in the next 1-2 years.
Agree with what everyone has been saying about his passing. It isn't just the assists; it's the quick decision making to get the ball moving when he draws in a help defender or is doubled-team. Last year during the playoffs I thought it was really evident how much Giannis had improved as a passer in a similar kind of role; just processing the decisions so much quicker and making defenses pay for committing to stopping him. Tatum wasn't at that level yet, but this past couple of months he has started to reach it.
Bingo! It’s just night and day watching him now versus last year or even earlier this year.
I think he always had this capability but too often he would fall back into the “Kobe habits”, where he would pound the ball with no decisiveness and settle for a jumper. He’s a very gifted scorer so he would make his fair share of those shots but it was so frustrating to watch and would kill the flow and momentum of the team.
Now everything is so much quicker and more decisive and he’s much more willing to pass the ball. He still falls into Kobe mode a few times a game but it’s so much less frequently.
I’ve always acknowledged that Tatum was a very good player but I never particularly liked watching him….in 2022 he’s been a joy to watch. I have to give a lot of credit to both JT and Ime, who it seems like has really helped coax this level of play out of him
This is a good example of Tatum leaning how to deal with double teams.
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Keith Smith: This was probably my favorite play from the Celtics win over the Grizzlies. The ball and player movement are terrific. Tatum accepts (embraces?) the double-team and Horford knows what he wants before he even catches it. Plus, look at the pure joy from Kornet as Rob slams it home!
View: https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1499788250231234566?s=20&t=4R4i-nLm3f33BrWhz4zoqQ
Keith Smith: This was probably my favorite play from the Celtics win over the Grizzlies. The ball and player movement are terrific. Tatum accepts (embraces?) the double-team and Horford knows what he wants before he even catches it. Plus, look at the pure joy from Kornet as Rob slams it home!
Scal calling Tatum top 5 in the NBA now, pointing to Sunday's match-up with Durant being huge for JT's ascension.