This may not fit any analytics, but with more easy hoops, more scoring from the rest of the team he has less burden on him. I think he forced shots before and snowballed into bad nights. The good thing is good shooting can be contagious too.
Absolutely. I think that both JT and JB benefit from the rhythm of the team and picking their spots when they're feeling it. Neither is at the level where they can force when the defense is waiting on it. Tatum can, but over time it affects his shot. A step-back 3 in the flow is different from the same shot with 4 seconds on the clock and nobody else is open.This may not fit any analytics, but with more easy hoops, more scoring from the rest of the team he has less burden on him. I think he forced shots before and snowballed into bad nights. The good thing is good shooting can be contagious too.
Or bc there has been less resistance in dog day games against some of the worst defenses in the league? This team is coming together but man there have been so many games against glorified G-League teams lately. As you’re well aware, offensive flow is large due to rhythm and some of these teams look like they are defending like Yi Jianlian workoutsSo since his horrific 1-22 stretch he has shot 32-80, which corresponds with the winning streak. He ha also shot fewer FTs.
This indicates what my eyes tell me. The team has much better flow and getting easier scored, in transition, and Tatum is pounding the ball less grinding out fewer possessions. I am not sure the looks he gets are that different, but the energy he is expending on other shots is certainly less. Obviously chicken or the egg. Is the team playing better because he's making 3s, or is he making 3s because the team is playing better, and he is getting better shots. I think the latter, but who knows.
Not a fan of making one axis symmetric about 0 and the other not.
His DARKO looks like someone put an EKG on a depressed avocado too.And still it feels like Tatum's defense is underappreciated.
Meanwhile, Austin Rivers is living at The Origin.
Part of the reason it's under appreciated is that it's new (well it was good while ago.... but it took a long and disappointing hiatus).And still it feels like Tatum's defense is underappreciated.
He is very good, especially with his preparation and his engagement style. Between his resume and the locker rooms he was part of, it feels like he has a ton of cred with the players too which seems like it loosens them up. The Barnes/Stephen Jackson All The Smoke pod is great too though the quality varies.Is Reddick now the unshitty bball Rogan? He seems like a great interviewer.
I used to like Barnes and Jackson but now I can't listen to Jack after he defended Desean Jackson's anti-semitic Hitler quotes and then doubled down when called out.He is very good, especially with his preparation and his engagement style. Between his resume and the locker rooms he was part of, it feels like he has a ton of cred with the players too which seems like it loosens them up. The Barnes/Stephen Jackson All The Smoke pod is great too though the quality varies.
“In other words, you’re upset with me because I didn’t say what you wanted me to say.” said Stephen Jackson.
“The point is, you did not just say to me that Jews are not trying to divide the black community,” his Instagram guest responded. “You know that for a fact?… you know who the Rothschilds are? They own all the banks.”
“I haven’t said one thing that’s untrue yet,” added the former NBA talent.
Off topic from Tatum…..but Redick is going to be a monster in sports media.View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiuilGnvb-s
Tatum opens up a lot here. Redick does a great job on the details.
100% agree. JJ is very intelligent, aware, does research pre-interview and is likableOff topic from Tatum…..but Redick is going to be a monster in sports media.
I'm sure Reddick wants to interview JT again.100% agree. JJ is very intelligent, aware, does research pre-interview and is likable
One criticism about that interview. Why didn't JJ get into Tatum's 3pt shooting % drop this season? The one thing Redick is a complete expert in is 3pt shooting (heck the title of the show). They could have discussed form, Drew Hanlen work, confidence, dad conversation, 0-20 streak, new ball effect, how he's being defended, Olympic stress etc
Also of note. Subtly, JT pinned the blame on the Bubble/EC/Miami series loss on Brown/Game 3 Toronto/blown zone coverage
Always been a lot of talk about how quick a learner Tatum is, and how fast he applies new knowledge. You don't get to be as good of a defender as he is on measurables alone, for example, although those certainly help!Tatum has his stats off the dome like most of these players so he probably knows his shooting is down. Redick has had plenty of variance in his career so I suspect he gets that pointing it out isn't helpful. Its noise and its understood that Tatum continues to work on his game.
I also like how detail oriented Tatum seems. This should serve him well as he picks up more NBA experience.
I didn't hear Brown in there. I heard blame on the zone.Also of note. Subtly, JT pinned the blame on the Bubble/EC/Miami series loss on Brown/Game 3 Toronto/blown zone coverage
They beat the shit out of Tatum too, and the refs called it like an old school series. I think he went to the line 8 times a game in that series, and he had to EARN those calls.That Toronto series was draining just to watch, I can’t imagine how mentally and physically exhausting it must have been to play in it. Just a brutal seven games.
Great play all around by Toronto BUTI didn't hear Brown in there. I heard blame on the zone.
The "if we didn't have to go so long against Toronto" take isn't unsurprising and might be true.
wow, after looking at the video, that's 100% correctOn the actual play, the specifics of which we hashed out at the time, I just want to note that I heard Scal say on one or another podcast that the play could never have happened in a non-bubble game because Lowry was like further away from the inbounds line that he could have been if there were fans and that's the only way he could put the ball perfectly into OG's shooting pocket.
I'm not disagreeing that Brown read that wrong. Just pointing out that Jayson didn't say that.Great play all around by Toronto BUT
JT: we go zone, we have some miscommunication, they go over the top into the pocket of OG
not to relitigate but it was Brown's part of the zone. "miscommunicated" is a subtle way of saying it got screwed up
40 years of closely watching 99% of Syracuse hoops games, I'm comfortable talking zone principles. That can't happen in Jaylen's part of the zone. Jaylen can't body/deny/get on the left side of Gasol with two feet in the middle of the lane. Jaylen's right foot CAN'T touch the middle of the paint. Marcus was pointing it out to BrownTWICE3X, before the inbounds that OG was circling behind him. Heck even Theis throws his arms out towards JB/lane wondering why the hell JB got caught in there
I love me some Jaylen Brown, but I'm not breaking news by saying he's a below-average help defender and especially bad in zone
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqvg6_TMIL0
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fair enough...I've always been critical of Brown's D, I could have read more into it than was there.I'm not disagreeing that Brown read that wrong. Just pointing out that Jayson didn't say that.
If anything, I thought that he kinda let the players off the hook and threw it to the coaching staff with his non-verbals about how they went zone there. I inferred that he viewed that it was the wrong call, either due to the situation itself or because it was something that they didn't normally do on inbounds plays from there.
Totally agree. It was a fascinating listen.fair enough...I've always been critical of Brown's D, I could have read more into it than was there.
I can tell you who Smart blamed
It's fascinating how much credit JT gives the Raptors and talks about them not having one "weak defensive player/link" to pick on. That really matches up with what the Celtics did at the trade deadline exporting Enes/Schroder & importing White/Theis.
This is the best defensive 8 the Celtics have had in a long time.
Tatum is playing much better defense than he has over the last 2 seasons.Totally agree. It was a fascinating listen.
Of course he's a professional and a smart guy, but it's staggering to listen to how smart he is about the game at such a young age. And the recall is absurd, not just about huge plays too. He remembers what their lead was in game 2 against Miami in the bubble. Seems like a lifetime ago, but it still bothers him.
edit: Thinking about this, I'm wondering if Brad Stevens was a great coach for baby Tatum and Brown. Nurturing, supporting, academic, driven. Now that they're older and looking to get to the next level, Ime is still academic and a teacher, but he's pushing them to have an edge and better at holding people accountable. Could be wishcasting here, but I'm excited about how the new staff can tap into things that Brad wouldn't have been able to.
He drives us crazy on the offensive end at times, but the superstar gets a lot of credit for being coachable and invested on the defensive end. Tatum's body language and demeanor sometimes suggest a lack of intensity, but I was struck by him stating that he didn't eat for two days after that Game 3 loss to Toronto. We are very, very lucky to have him.Tatum is playing much better defense than he has over the last 2 seasons.
Its scheme or IME has pushed the right buttons. Either way, the Rookie HC/staff deserve credit in getting the superstar to step up on that side of the ball. Don't think it's wishcasting at all.
Eh, its 320 minutes which still has a lot of variance. If you look at http://www.pbpstats.com/wowy-combos/nba?TeamId=1610612738&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular+Season&PlayerIds=1628369,203935,1627759,1629057 you will see even at that level of minutes the #s are a bit all over the map.Not a small sample either, well over 600 possessions.
View: https://twitter.com/itsbrianbarrett/status/1499119256792879107?s=20&t=AR0HFDsBxFTb6y7KM4ozXg
Tatum is drawing doubles and passing into a teammates shooting pocket.Eh, its 320 minutes which still has a lot of variance. If you look at http://www.pbpstats.com/wowy-combos/nba?TeamId=1610612738&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular+Season&PlayerIds=1628369,203935,1627759,1629057 you will see even at that level of minutes the #s are a bit all over the map.
Every time I look at lineup numbers I just end up more confused.Eh, its 320 minutes which still has a lot of variance. If you look at http://www.pbpstats.com/wowy-combos/nba?TeamId=1610612738&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular+Season&PlayerIds=1628369,203935,1627759,1629057 you will see even at that level of minutes the #s are a bit all over the map.
Tatum Smart Brown and Timelord have a net rating of +19 over 600 minutes!Every time I look at lineup numbers I just end up more confused.
You keep telling everyone that it’s the 2023 playoffs that matter, but after watching Major League last night Jayson Tatum said “Fuck you, Ben Hogan, I do it myself.”Tatum is drawing doubles and passing into a teammates shooting pocket.
see Corner Office's Q4 threes last night
Tatum, next level, happens every 20 games. the ascension continues...
Indeed. Tatum rim runs in Q4 tonight against the length of Anderson/JJJ/Adams was absurd. They'll make noise in the playoffsYou keep telling everyone that it’s the 2023 playoffs that matter, but after watching Major League last night Jayson Tatum said “Fuck you, Ben Hogan, I do it myself.”
Yeah I was thinking this watching his last few games. Everything he does now is about forcing doubles, or ad hoc doubles in the form of help when he drives. He's getting really, really comfortable with the reads and passes out of that.
I posted this in another thread but his game is rounding out nicely. His assist rate since January is at a career high and trending in the right direction. I leave tiers to others but I stand by my view that ex his deep shooting he is making a leap of sorts. Given that it has coincided with the team's resurgence, it feels real and sustainable.Yeah I was thinking this watching his last few games. Everything he does now is about forcing doubles, or ad hoc doubles in the form of help when he drives. He's getting really, really comfortable with the reads and passes out of that.
And still only 19, crazy.
I agree with this.I posted this in another thread but his game is rounding out nicely. His assist rate since January is at a career high and trending in the right direction. I leave tiers to others but I stand by my view that ex his deep shooting he is making a leap of sorts. Given that it has coincided with the team's resurgence, it feels real and sustainable.
Yeah, not having the 40% stepback 3 to fall back on has forced him to add a ton to his game. It's all sustainable imo; nothing is the result of hot shooting. If the shooting comes back, I don't think it's hyperbole to say he'll get into the MVP discussion in the next 1-2 years.I posted this in another thread but his game is rounding out nicely. His assist rate since January is at a career high and trending in the right direction. I leave tiers to others but I stand by my view that ex his deep shooting he is making a leap of sorts. Given that it has coincided with the team's resurgence, it feels real and sustainable.
Bingo! It’s just night and day watching him now versus last year or even earlier this year.Agree with what everyone has been saying about his passing. It isn't just the assists; it's the quick decision making to get the ball moving when he draws in a help defender or is doubled-team. Last year during the playoffs I thought it was really evident how much Giannis had improved as a passer in a similar kind of role; just processing the decisions so much quicker and making defenses pay for committing to stopping him. Tatum wasn't at that level yet, but this past couple of months he has started to reach it.
Exactly how I feel.I’ve always acknowledged that Tatum was a very good player but I never particularly liked watching him….in 2022 he’s been a joy to watch. I have to give a lot of credit to both JT and Ime, who it seems like has really helped coax this level of play out of him
https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/nine-thoughts-celtics-contender-jayson-tatums-superstar-statusSince Jan. 23, Tatum ranks in the top 20 in assist points generated. Only Nikola Jokic, Pascal Siakam, and DeMar DeRozan had more assist points among non-point guards in that span.