Jaylen Brown: More than enough in Year 8.

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Jimbodandy said:
That's a great observation. I believe that Jaylen has improved his off ball awareness and shot blocking help, jumping steals and such, but a heliocentric offense (double heliocentric even) is tailor made for his on ball skills. He wouldn't dominate as much as he did against a team with more actions.
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I don’t know. I agree with the post you’re responding to in that Jaylen is an AWESOME on ball defender ans merely good off bsll I also feel like it’s kind of discrediting Jaylen when we have no idea how he would do if the offense was changed.
He was great on defense agaisnt Indiana too and they run multiple actions.

I guess I don’t love hypotheticals designed to kind of lessen the accomplishment. Like Tatum had a great Game 7. I dont think it’s fair to say (and no one is saying) “well, he took advantage of the fact that Luka sucks on defense”

IMO, the Celtics won. The Jays were awesome. Seasons over. I am not sure there needs to be more analysis or “well, actuallys”

EDIT: Maybe I am breaking the cardinal rule of responding to the poster (in this case @JakeRae) but I read that as a post designed to discredit as opposed to analysis. But I also fully acknowledge I am a Jaylen Stan so maybe I am misreading
 
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JakeRae said:
One thing that no one is talking about is that Dallas’s offense is the perfect fit for Jaylen’s defense.
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Agreed I posted something similar in one of the other threads. Luka, between his usage and uselessness without the ball, is his ideal cover. Kyrie to some extent too. He wasn't chasing rip Hamilton around...

Regardless he rose to the occasion.
 
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tbrown_01923 said:
Agreed I posted something similar in one of the other threads. Luka, between his usage and uselessness without the ball, is his ideal cover. Kyrie to some extent too. He wasn't chasing rip Hamilton around...

Regardless he rose to the occasion.
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but he was the one chasing Steph Curry around when they played the Warriors? Jaylens problem isn’t movement or lack of conditioning. It’s ball watching. You can’t do that when you’re guarding Rip Hamilton or people moving a lot
 
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Auger34 said:
I don’t know. I agree with the post you’re responding to in that Jaylen is an AWESOME on ball defender ans merely good off bsll I also feel like it’s kind of discrediting Jaylen when we have no idea how he would do if the offense was changed.
He was great on defense agaisnt Indiana too and they run multiple actions.

I guess I don’t love hypotheticals designed to kind of lessen the accomplishment. Like Tatum had a great Game 7. I dont think it’s fair to say (and no one is saying) “well, he took advantage of the fact that Luka sucks on defense”

IMO, the Celtics won. The Jays were awesome. Seasons over. I am not sure there needs to be more analysis or “well, actuallys”

EDIT: Maybe I am breaking the cardinal rule of responding to the poster (in this case @JakeRae) but I read that as a post designed to discredit as opposed to analysis. But I also fully acknowledge I am a Jaylen Stan so maybe I am misreading
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No worries. I didn't interpret his post as a knock on JB, but ymmv.

I appreciate how much progress that JB has made defensively across the board. I just concur here that Dallas was a good matchup for him. I'm sure that he would have looked good against Denver, he's balling hard.
 
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Auger34 said:
but he was the one chasing Steph Curry around when they played the Warriors? Jaylens problem isn’t movement or lack of conditioning. It’s ball watching. You can’t do that when you’re guarding Rip Hamilton or people moving a lot
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Yup, he has had a tendency to turn his head, and not know where his guard went. Yes he can run with nearly anyone - and has done well with off the ball movement like steph...

Luka is still a good match up for him, but he also rose to the occasion.
 
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Auger34 said:
but he was the one chasing Steph Curry around when they played the Warriors? Jaylens problem isn’t movement or lack of conditioning. It’s ball watching. You can’t do that when you’re guarding Rip Hamilton or people moving a lot
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I think Jaylen has improved a good amount off ball, he’s above average now I’d say.

That Warriors series though, he only defended Steph for 39 possessions over 6 games. He defended Klay a ton though, and he’s a movement shooter.

Smart: 147
White: 109
Tatum: 65
Jaylen: 39
Al: 37

Steph abused everyone besides Smart in that series, god damn lol.
 
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I think Jaylen has improved a good amount off ball, he’s above average now I’d say.

That Warriors series though, he only defended Steph for 39 possessions over 6 games. He defended Klay a ton though, and he’s a movement shooter.

Smart: 147
White: 109
Tatum: 65
Jaylen: 39
Al: 37

Steph abused everyone besides Smart in that series, god damn lol.
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I think he meant the game in March, where Jaylen said that at 240 pounds, chasing around Steph means being a "special kind of shape." JB had the most time against Steph in that game.

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They have Boston with 5 of the top 42 players on their list. Pretty easy to understand why they were so dominant this year.
 
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ifmanis5 said:
Oh look, they moved Jaylen up from 25 to 15 today.
https://nbarankings.theringer.com/

Tatum also up to 5.
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FWIW they are taking DEFENSE more seriously in their rankings.

I noticed they ranked All-Defense players:
Caruso (64), McDaniels (65), Herb Jones (67) and Jalen Suggs (72)

Amongst offensive gawds like:
Michael Porter Jr (66), Brad Beal (70), CJ McCollum (68), LaMelo Ball (59), Zach LaVine (78), Tyler Herro (80).

That didn't happen a few years ago.
 
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FWIW they are taking DEFENSE more seriously in their rankings.

I noticed they ranked All-Defense players:
Caruso (64), McDaniels (65), Herb Jones (67) and Jalen Suggs (72)

Amongst offensive gawds like:
Michael Porter Jr (66), Brad Beal (70), CJ McCollum (68), LaMelo Ball (59), Zach LaVine (78), Tyler Herro (80).

That didn't happen a few years ago.
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Yeah but they have Jrue + DW at 38/39 (they really should just share the spots) and they have Dame at 27, Maxey at 31, and Trae Young at 36. There is no one - even Trae Young's mother - trading Jrue or DW for him straight up.
 
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wade boggs chicken dinner said:
Yeah but they have Jrue + DW at 38/39 (they really should just share the spots) and they have Dame at 27, Maxey at 31, and Trae Young at 36. There is no one - even Trae Young's mother - trading Jrue or DW for him straight up.
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The contracts/$$$ of the All-Defense players compared to those #59-80 pointZ gawds aren't even in the same ballpark.

Looks like the Ringer ranking team values defense more than NBA GMs which is why Brad/Zarren have been lapping the field.
 
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The contracts/$$$ of the All-Defense players compared to those #59-80 pointZ gawds aren't even in the same ballpark.

Looks like the Ringer ranking team values defense more than NBA GMs which is why Brad/Zarren have been lapping the field.
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I suppose you're right. The fact that few of these pundits seem to get the value of defense (again, if you have a team that can turn 1 shot out of 20 from a make to a miss that's 3-5 shots per game or 6-15 points, which is more than the margin of most basketball games) is enabling POBOBS to make moves like obtaining Jrue and DW and even KP, whose rim-protection was hardly ever talked about.

And X and Springer.

Hopefully it keeps on going. So outside this forum, I'm just going to talk about how POINTZ are the BEST!
 
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wade boggs chicken dinner said:
I suppose you're right. The fact that few of these pundits seem to get the value of defense (again, if you have a team that can turn 1 shot out of 20 from a make to a miss that's 3-5 shots per game or 6-15 points, which is more than the margin of most basketball games) is enabling POBOBS to make moves like obtaining Jrue and DW and even KP, whose rim-protection was hardly ever talked about.

And X and Springer.

Hopefully it keeps on going. So outside this forum, I'm just going to talk about how POINTZ are the BEST!
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Great point on X and Springer (and Hauser to a certain degree) as good defensive players who are undervalued around the league.
 
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ifmanis5 said:
Oh look, they moved Jaylen up from 25 to 15 today.
https://nbarankings.theringer.com/

Tatum also up to 5.
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I know I’m a homer but when I look at that list and ask myself who I would want on my team next year, JB is top 10. Lebron would also move into the Top 10 for the Montana Cutthroat Trout in the 24-25 season.

And by Top 10 I’m considering who would help the Pacers, Knicks, Thunder, Dallas et al the most. They’d give Jaylen part ownership if there was anyway for those clubs to get him.
 
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I think SGA over Tatum is fine. He was unbelievable in that Dallas series. 32-8-7 with 1.2 steals and 2.3 blocks on really efficient shooting. 44-12 Assist to Turnover ratio. It was a ridiculous series. I think he had a better season than Tatum.
 
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The biggest benefit of winning the title is that I'm over these player rankings.

Do I think Luka is overrated, or that SGA could be a better creator? Sure. But people think all kinds of stupid things, and I don't waste time trying to refute them.

Can focus on more intriguing stuff with basketball now, like how much the Boston approach gets copied (especially by OKC), or what happens over the summer.

I'm also cool now if the Cs play a tough series and lose. I want some exciting basketball next year.
 
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lovegtm said:
The biggest benefit of winning the title is that I'm over these player rankings.

Do I think Luka is overrated, or that SGA could be a better creator? Sure. But people think all kinds of stupid things, and I don't waste time trying to refute them.

Can focus on more intriguing stuff with basketball now, like how much the Boston approach gets copied (especially by OKC), or what happens over the summer.

I'm also cool now if the Cs play a tough series and lose. I want some exciting basketball next year.
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Moreover - I think the players are more or less over these player rankings (or maybe they use them as fuel - but it doesn't seem like they are driven by having to make an All Star team or All NBA any more).
 
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lovegtm said:
The biggest benefit of winning the title is that I'm over these player rankings.

Do I think Luka is overrated, or that SGA could be a better creator? Sure. But people think all kinds of stupid things, and I don't waste time trying to refute them.

Can focus on more intriguing stuff with basketball now, like how much the Boston approach gets copied (especially by OKC), or what happens over the summer.

I'm also cool now if the Cs play a tough series and lose. I want some exciting basketball next year.
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Relatable. May your healthy attitude become contagious.
 
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lovegtm said:
The biggest benefit of winning the title is that I'm over these player rankings.

Do I think Luka is overrated, or that SGA could be a better creator? Sure. But people think all kinds of stupid things, and I don't waste time trying to refute them.

Can focus on more intriguing stuff with basketball now, like how much the Boston approach gets copied (especially by OKC), or what happens over the summer.

I'm also cool now if the Cs play a tough series and lose. I want some exciting basketball next year.
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"...but then what we gon' post about now?"
 
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"They don't got that killer instinct cuz they took their foot off the gas for 5 minutes in a game they won by 20!"
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The killer instinct thing is the best to dunk on, in retrospect. They went 5, 5, 4, and 5. They had a few blowouts but closed out a bunch of tight games and won all of the tight games. Where are these nitwits now, falling on their swords? Don't hold my breath, I know.
 
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The killer instinct thing is the best to dunk on, in retrospect. They went 5, 5, 4, and 5. They had a few blowouts but closed out a bunch of tight games and won all of the tight games. Where are these nitwits now, falling on their swords? Don't hold my breath, I know.
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The warning signs were there all along.
 
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lovegtm said:
The warning signs were there all along.
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If only the NYT Pitchbot did sports: "The Celtics just went 16-3 in the playoffs on their way to a wire-to-wire domination of the NBA, winning their 18th championship, and here's why that doesn't bode well for the Jaylen Brown/Jayson Tatum partnership."
 
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You forget, it wasn’t a meaningful accomplishment because they are so much better than everyone else.
 
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I might be the last person you should ask about things related to fashion


That said, my impression is that while lots of fashion looks weird to us normies, not all things that look weird are considered fashionable

From this principle I make the guess that someone like Ann Wintour is going to approve of how some NBA player is dressing, just because he's dressing in a way that stands out

Of course, I couldn't tell you what makes the way someone dresses "weird and fashionable" as opposed to "weird and regrettable"
 
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