Jay Groome (2016 First Round pick)

Plympton91

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He actually had a couple more playoff appearances after those 4 innings at the end of the regular season, with this combined line

5.2 IP , 6 H, 3ER 2 BB 6 K on 9/5 and 9/10 with Lowell

https://www.milb.com/gameday/muckdogs-vs-spinners/2019/09/05/601393#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=box,game=601393
https://www.milb.com/gameday/spinners-vs-cyclones/2019/09/10/601397#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=box,game=601397
So, all together at Lowell 7.2 IP 9 H 4 ER, 3 BB 9 K. I could see starting him in Greenville, but I’d hope to have him in Salem by Memorial Day.
 
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I think we all need to temper expectations on Groome. I mean, what's his max for innings this year? 80? 100?

The problem is he will need to be added to the 40 man at the end of the season, so they are running out of time to evaluate what they have here. At this point is he develops as a back end starter it's a win.
 

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They can have him on the 40 while he's still in the minors so they aren't really running out of time. There's always some crap on the 40 man roster that protecting him shouldn't be an issue.

But yeah, probably around 100. As for expectations, I personally have zero.
 

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He actually had a couple more playoff appearances after those 4 innings at the end of the regular season, with this combined line

5.2 IP , 6 H, 3ER 2 BB 6 K on 9/5 and 9/10 with Lowell

https://www.milb.com/gameday/muckdogs-vs-spinners/2019/09/05/601393#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=box,game=601393
https://www.milb.com/gameday/spinners-vs-cyclones/2019/09/10/601397#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=box,game=601397
So, all together at Lowell 7.2 IP 9 H 4 ER, 3 BB 9 K. I could see starting him in Greenville, but I’d hope to have him in Salem by Memorial Day.
Memorial Day is a bit aggressive but from the article Oumbi posted, him being promoted after a few good months isn't out of the cards. That's probably mid June/early July. Not far off. I wouldn't be too surprised if his first handful of starts are as an opener either. It's probably a given, really. I said in some thread on the main board that his most likely path to the Majors is Greenville/Salem this year, Portland/Pawtucket next year and Boston in 2022. I don't know how that's going to work given he'll have IP restrictions. I'd rather have that problem than not have that problem tho. It means he developed and didn't get injured again.

While Groome first pitched in Greenville in 2017, expect him to start the year back there in 2020. The Red Sox need Groome to be as good as he can be and have little incentive to rush him too much. If he pitches well over the first couple months of the year a promotion to Salem is certainly in the cards with an eye at starting 2021 in Portland, but they aren’t — and shouldn’t — going to put the cart before the horse. Groome has the pedigree, but he can’t get by just on that anymore.
 

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I think we all need to temper expectations on Groome. I mean, what's his max for innings this year? 80? 100?

The problem is he will need to be added to the 40 man at the end of the season, so they are running out of time to evaluate what they have here. At this point is he develops as a back end starter it's a win.
I would think 120-130 innings, which seems to be about what they let high school draftees do in their first year. Then 140 next year and 160 in 2022.
 

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I keep wondering why nobody changes the title here to Jay Groome, so I'm going to do that now.
 

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I wonder what the plan will be with him this year with MiLB cancelled. He needs the innings above all else. Will simulated innings have about the same effect if he is throwing them from home or whatever? Obviously he won't have the same developmental benefit, but I am asking purely in terms of building up his inning count to keep him physically on track.
 

Cesar Crespo

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Rough start to the year

7.1 ip, 15 hits, 13r, 12er, 2 HR, 11k/6bb. 14.73 era. K rate of 25% anyway.
 

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Any idea what his velocity has been?
Seems like velocity isn’t the problem:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mlb.com/amp/news/red-sox-minor-league-spring-training-report.html

“Groome got a chance to pitch in Major League camp and his stuff was electric in short outings, up to 97 mph," Crockett said. "He rode that momentum into Minor League camp and once he got stretched out, he continued to show good velocity, some 95s and 96s and a lot of 93s and 94s. His curveball is a good pitch that complements his fastball life, and his changeup and slider continue to develop."
 

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Seems like velocity isn’t the problem:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mlb.com/amp/news/red-sox-minor-league-spring-training-report.html

“Groome got a chance to pitch in Major League camp and his stuff was electric in short outings, up to 97 mph," Crockett said. "He rode that momentum into Minor League camp and once he got stretched out, he continued to show good velocity, some 95s and 96s and a lot of 93s and 94s. His curveball is a good pitch that complements his fastball life, and his changeup and slider continue to develop."
Looking at his game log it seems like his command isn't great, but his most recent outing he threw 38 strikes in 50 pitches and only walked one. I'd guess he just has a lot of rust to shake off. SSS etc.
 

Cesar Crespo

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Looking at his game log it seems like his command isn't great, but his most recent outing he threw 38 strikes in 50 pitches and only walked one. I'd guess he just has a lot of rust to shake off. SSS etc.
HIs last start, he was cruising thru 3. 3.0 ip, 1 hit, 1er, 0bb/4k (all swinging). 4 ground outs, 1 pop out, and 1 fly ball hit (triple).

Then the 4th inning happened. Single on a soft liner, a fielder's choice that ended in an error and no outs. Followed by a HR, followed by a walk. Pulled.
 

Cesar Crespo

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He was cruising today. Thru 3.2, He gave up 0 hits, 1bb/7k. Then he gave up a single and a walk.

Mound visit atm.
 

Cesar Crespo

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Walks the next 2 guys, walking in a run in the process. 12 of his last 13 pitches have been balls.

Pitching change with the bases loaded.

edit: Final line of 3.2 ip, 1 hit, 1 er, 4bb/7k.
 
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Cesar Crespo

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3.0 ip, 1 hit, 0bb/3k so far tonight. He's been falling apart after 3 his previous starts so lets see how it goes this time around.
 

Cesar Crespo

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Clean inning. Strikes out the last batter on 2 horrible strike calls.

4.0, 1 hit, 0bb/4k. He's had 43 pitches. Maybe he'll be out for 5. 4 is already a season high.

edit: 5th inning he hit a batter. Batter stole 2nd and reached 3rd on an error. Sac Fly, Ground out, GO. 63 pitches.

5.0 ip, 1 hit, 1r/1er, 0bb/4k.
 
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Any updates on his velo from games? I know there were positive reports out of ST, but the SoxProspects guys were pretty down on his FB just last week (had it in the 91-94ish range sounds like).
 

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5.0 ip, 4 hits, 3r/3er, 1bb/8k, 1 HRA tonight. 77 pitches, 53 strikes. 7 swinging strike outs.

Gave up all 3 er in the 3rd, 3 run HR.
 

Cesar Crespo

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4.0 ip, 8 hits, 4r, 2er, 1bb/4k yesterday.

76 pitches, 52 strikes. 8 strikes swinging. 6 line drives.