I know there was a draft thread, but now he's a prospect and here's an interesting article about where he's been on his way to Boston.
Jay Groome (2016 First Round pick)
- Thread starter Lose Remerswaal
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A.Speier on Groome's pro debut:
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2016/08/22/jason-groome-off-fast-start-pro-debut/JNjwK0KRR7jQrRFgDfCudM/story.html?p1=Article_Recirculation_Pos3
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http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2016/08/22/jason-groome-off-fast-start-pro-debut/JNjwK0KRR7jQrRFgDfCudM/story.html?p1=Article_Recirculation_Pos3
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His delivery is really high which allows for a lot of downward plane on his pitches. There is little leg drive as a result, so there seems to be room to add velocity, but he will lose that downward plane some.
The comment about trading off a downward angle for more velocity is intriguing to me. I don't understand qu organizations take kids who've never failed at any level, and immediately change something. Not that there's evidence the Red Sox are considering it either, just a general comment. I would let him keep doing what he's been doing until he gets to a level where he's struggling.
I wonder if there's been an increase in the amount of tinkering in the past 10-15 years with Pitch/Fx mapping release points and spin rates to allow for more targeted adjustments. And, if so, is more likely that changing someone's delivery puts slightly different stresses on muscles and tendons conditioned to one motion since age 6 for a lot of these people. It would be interesting to correlate that with the rise in TJ surgeries.
I wonder if there's been an increase in the amount of tinkering in the past 10-15 years with Pitch/Fx mapping release points and spin rates to allow for more targeted adjustments. And, if so, is more likely that changing someone's delivery puts slightly different stresses on muscles and tendons conditioned to one motion since age 6 for a lot of these people. It would be interesting to correlate that with the rise in TJ surgeries.
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Why would you wait to make changes you know you want to make anyway and then have them try to adjust to those new mechanics against tougher hitters? That makes zero sense.
Scouting Scratch:
http://news.soxprospects.com/2016/09/scouting-scratch-jason-groome.html
Can't wait to see him next year.
http://news.soxprospects.com/2016/09/scouting-scratch-jason-groome.html
Can't wait to see him next year.
I think P91 is questioning the "you know you want to make anyway" part. Why not see if what works in the past will work at the next level before assuming it won't? I suspect they could determine quite quickly whether the "status quo" is going to translate, but maybe not. Also, the idea of exploring whether modified mechanics correlates with injuries is pretty interesting. You'd hope the teams are on this, but maybe not.
Saw the thread was bumped and I was hoping for news.
When MiLB kids go on DL, info is scarce. He's on the 7 backdated to 4/11.
When MiLB kids go on DL, info is scarce. He's on the 7 backdated to 4/11.
He pitched well in a rain-abbreviated start: 2.1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1BB, 3K. 38 pitches total, 24 for strikes. Vaunted SoSH scout @boogerpressley had the following to say: "Curve was nasty. True 12-6. He was 91-93. Really smooth and easy delivery and located well. I was impressed."
I can confirm that Booger was indeed impressed.
The game lasted until one out in the top of the third when it began to rain. But Groome looked really good in his abbreviated start. The first seven Vermont hitters looked overmatched.
The game lasted until one out in the top of the third when it began to rain. But Groome looked really good in his abbreviated start. The first seven Vermont hitters looked overmatched.
Groome no-hit Hudson Valley for five innings on Friday. 6K against 2BB
http://news.soxprospects.com/2017/06/cup-of-coffee-groome-spins-five-no-hit.html
http://news.soxprospects.com/2017/06/cup-of-coffee-groome-spins-five-no-hit.html
Shut down for the season with forearm strain according to Ian Browne. "Everything looks good structurally", i.e., no TJ for now.
While forearm strains are never a good sign, "shut down for the season" makes it sound more ominous than it is. He may have had two more starts in the regular season left.
While snod is largely correct that it sounds more ominous than it might be... Greenville is in the playoffs. So we are probably talking upwards of 5 starts.
That bring said... it explains how he walked six of the last eight batters he faced last time out.
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That bring said... it explains how he walked six of the last eight batters he faced last time out.
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Groome to have Tommy John surgery:
https://www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2018/05/09/red-sox-top-pitching-prospect-jason-groome-set-undergo-tommy-john-surgery/
https://www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2018/05/09/red-sox-top-pitching-prospect-jason-groome-set-undergo-tommy-john-surgery/
top pitching prospect has his arrival time delayed by a year? is there anything worse for a farm system?
Yeah, shoulder issues, which are indefinite and far less likely to be cured.
The list of great pitchers who had TJ surgery is pretty long, so I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. Not looking good now though.
TINSTAPP. That's why I never question when they trade one of these guys. Kopech is still standing, anyway.
If there's a silver lining, maybe this explains Groome's poor performance to date.
If there's a silver lining, maybe this explains Groome's poor performance to date.
Velo is normally good after TJ rehab due to focus on arm.
It’s all about maintaining health and gaining stamina now.
It’s all about maintaining health and gaining stamina now.
Anyone know the status on Groome?
If Mata is the real thing, and Groome is back on track... suddenly there's some minor league depth in the SP department. Adding Downs to Casas and there's a pretty decent cluster of projectable ML quality guys in the pipeline
If Mata is the real thing, and Groome is back on track... suddenly there's some minor league depth in the SP department. Adding Downs to Casas and there's a pretty decent cluster of projectable ML quality guys in the pipeline
On Groome, all I can find on him is that he has pitched a total of 4 innings in the past 2 years and was last in Lowell A ball. He has great potential, but I am not sure anyone can accurately predict whether his health will improve to let him be a MLB pitcher.
This is the most recent article I could find on him, dated 2020/2/4
https://www.overthemonster.com/2020/2/4/21122108/boston-red-sox-top-prospects-2020-jay-groome
It gives a nice overview of his history with the sox, but provides very little insight into his current health condition.
"So, here we are four years after he was drafted and we still haven’t really seen a whole lot of Groome. Despite that, there is still excitement because the scouting reports are still good. He still has his starter’s frame and he still has the exciting stuff including a good fastball — though the velocity needs to build back up — as well as a good curveball. The changeup needs some work, but there’s still a real chance at three average pitches including at least one above-average to plus. The command can be good, but again he needs to get the work in to really refine it. He’s also still only 21 and doesn’t turn 22 until the last month of the current minor-league season. Groome still has a chance to be that top pitcher developed in a system that hasn’t seen one in a long time, but eventually he needs to stay on the mound."
This is the most recent article I could find on him, dated 2020/2/4
https://www.overthemonster.com/2020/2/4/21122108/boston-red-sox-top-prospects-2020-jay-groome
It gives a nice overview of his history with the sox, but provides very little insight into his current health condition.
"So, here we are four years after he was drafted and we still haven’t really seen a whole lot of Groome. Despite that, there is still excitement because the scouting reports are still good. He still has his starter’s frame and he still has the exciting stuff including a good fastball — though the velocity needs to build back up — as well as a good curveball. The changeup needs some work, but there’s still a real chance at three average pitches including at least one above-average to plus. The command can be good, but again he needs to get the work in to really refine it. He’s also still only 21 and doesn’t turn 22 until the last month of the current minor-league season. Groome still has a chance to be that top pitcher developed in a system that hasn’t seen one in a long time, but eventually he needs to stay on the mound."
He should be ready to start the year in Greenville. It's right in the article you linked. Considering the 4 ip were at the end of 2019, I have no reason to believe otherwise.