They also just used the 8th overall pick to reach and select a. . .shooting guard. There's a really good chance Fields is 3rd on their depth chart.
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Well they have no SFs at all so I assumed Ross was playing there (or Derozan I guess).
It can't be signed until July 11. Once signed, the Knicks would have three days to match (or in this case light 21 million dollars on fire in a demonstration of a more sensible way to spend money).
looks like 21M was an exaggeration. 18.7 total split up 5, 5.22. 8.5.
Edit- those numbers are from Marc Berman of the New York Post.
Edit- those numbers are from Marc Berman of the New York Post.
Man brutal day for the Knicks, rumor is Houston is going to offer Lin 5MM, $5.2MM and $13.8MM. That's a hard contract for the Knicks to match.
It's less the minimum guys than the paying obscene amounts in luxury tax, reduced exemptions, not getting protection under the Arenas rule and not being able to do sign and trades.
If you're Lin, you'll have more financial opportunity in NY than Houston, which has a healthy Asian population but puny compared to NY (16:1 in just Chinese-Americans alone). I doubt Lin will make his decision on just pure contractual salary alone when in comes to compensation.
Markets are overrated, Yao Ming was one of the most marketed players in the league in Houston. Durant in OKC etc. He's the only good Asian player in the league, he'll do fine.
I know it's cool to say something is overrated, but the above post couldn't be more naive in this case.
Although Ming was indeed heavily marketed, but I argue that because of limited English, and playing in a much smaller market, his potential earning power was severely hampered. In other words, because he was at one point handful of top centers in the league, naturally a number of opportunities came his way. However, that's due more to his level of playing than the market he was in.
For Durant, the argument could be made that although he's reaching national stardom, he'd be in a completely different stratosphere if he was playing in NY, LA, Chicaco, etc. Being one of top 2-3 players in the league can transcend market sizes, but rarely.
And don't forget, even with the sensational year Lin is nowhere near Ming and Durant, and coming off an injury to boot, coupled by a relatively short period of exposure compared to those two.
I think Lin is in a completely different case. He's US-born, first Chinese-American player who is Harvard educated, perfectly articulate, carrying a David-vs-Goliath angle playing in New York City. You just can't ask for a perfect marketing vehicle:
http://articles.cnn....keting?_s=PM:US
Let's say Lin has an opportunity to do a minor PR spot with a local car company. In Houston, that deal may be worth a 50k and a free car. In the NY metropolitan market? We're talking 500k and a free car (or two).
Forbe's article further illustrates this point (bold mine):
http://www.forbes.co...eed-each-other/
P.S. Hell, with over 60% visible minority group and most of it being of Asian descendant, I'd even argue that Toronto would be a better landing spot for Lin than Houston.
Although Ming was indeed heavily marketed, but I argue that because of limited English, and playing in a much smaller market, his potential earning power was severely hampered. In other words, because he was at one point handful of top centers in the league, naturally a number of opportunities came his way. However, that's due more to his level of playing than the market he was in.
For Durant, the argument could be made that although he's reaching national stardom, he'd be in a completely different stratosphere if he was playing in NY, LA, Chicaco, etc. Being one of top 2-3 players in the league can transcend market sizes, but rarely.
And don't forget, even with the sensational year Lin is nowhere near Ming and Durant, and coming off an injury to boot, coupled by a relatively short period of exposure compared to those two.
I think Lin is in a completely different case. He's US-born, first Chinese-American player who is Harvard educated, perfectly articulate, carrying a David-vs-Goliath angle playing in New York City. You just can't ask for a perfect marketing vehicle:
http://articles.cnn....keting?_s=PM:US
You have the 24-7 drum machine with the local presses, national media exposure, a starved, rabid, passionate fan base (those words don't exactly describe Houston fan base), and you can't underestimate the fact that majority of the top 30 PR and media agencies are located in NY nor its close proximity to Bristol, CT.
Let's say Lin has an opportunity to do a minor PR spot with a local car company. In Houston, that deal may be worth a 50k and a free car. In the NY metropolitan market? We're talking 500k and a free car (or two).
Forbe's article further illustrates this point (bold mine):
http://www.forbes.co...eed-each-other/
Purely from a financial point of view, Lin would indeed be INSANE to leave the Knicks even if smaller market teams can offer more money in terms of salary.
P.S. Hell, with over 60% visible minority group and most of it being of Asian descendant, I'd even argue that Toronto would be a better landing spot for Lin than Houston.
He's just going to sign an offer elsewhere, and then NY will match. If they pull off this Nash sign-and-trade, though, no idea how they're going to fit five eight figure salaries two years from now (Melo, Amare, Chandler, Nash, Lin).
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏
Knicks, Suns are in the critical stages of discussions on a sign-and-trade deal that would pay Nash $27M-$30M over 3 years, sources tell Y!
The only one he is missing is a big one: a competitive team. And that is not going to happen with the Knicks, who have built one of the least-functional high-dollar rosters in memory. So, if he leaves, it may well be because of that one thing that is missing in NYC.
It's not Lin's decision whether to leave or not, he's a RFA.
And NY was 18-6 under Woodson last year with no PG for the bulk of that, let's see how they do with Nash or Lin or both before writing them off entirely. One would think that if anyone is able to rescuscitate Stoudemire, it would be his old teammate Nash.
And NY was 18-6 under Woodson last year with no PG for the bulk of that, let's see how they do with Nash or Lin or both before writing them off entirely. One would think that if anyone is able to rescuscitate Stoudemire, it would be his old teammate Nash.
Woodson is going to have to make some significant adjustments to his system to make this Nash thing work. And Melo is gonna have to be okay with playing off the ball a lot, just like he was asked to by D'Antoni. Should be another interesting year at MSG.
Bringing in Nash would make the Knicks even worse defensively, especially with Shumpert going in the deal. The reports on the Lin offer are insane. It's a poison pill contract that would put the Knicks in luxury tax trouble in a couple of years with just the money allocated for four players. Throw in the fact that Houston is throwing all this money at a player that they had and cut and it is crazier.
On the other hand, if players think that Nash gives NY a chance (note that I don't really think that), guys like Camby and Grant Hill may sign up cheaply as role players.
Also, while I may be the biggest Shumpert fan in the world (look back a few pages here if you don't believe me), there's no guarantee that he'll be the same after his injury, and it's not clear when he'll be able to return.
Also, while I may be the biggest Shumpert fan in the world (look back a few pages here if you don't believe me), there's no guarantee that he'll be the same after his injury, and it's not clear when he'll be able to return.
Also, Dallas managed to win a title with Chandler in the middle and not much D on the rest of the team. NY really really really needs JR Smith to re-up, I hope that deal is set and just waiting for these others to close before being announced.
That Dallas team was better defensively at PF, SF, and PG than the Knicks, though, so saying 'they were both bad' doesn't really mean they are the same, either,
Looks like Nash to the Lakers anyhow
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/2012-NBA-free-agency-roundup-Deron-Williams-Steve-Nash-Kevin-Garnett
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/2012-NBA-free-agency-roundup-Deron-Williams-Steve-Nash-Kevin-Garnett
Nowitzki better than Amare on D? That is not a choice I'd like to make, two sieves although at least Dirk boards.
Moot point now with Shumpert still on the team and Nash not, Chandler/Jeffries/Shumpert is as tough a defensive trio as there was in the league this past season, although Jeffries is still a FA as of now and Shumpert will miss at least part of the season, but a nice defensive core once he's back.
I'm hoping for a Lin/Kidd/JR Smith/Shumpert (once he's back) guard rotation now.
A little taste of what it's like to be a Knicks fan:
Howard Beck ‏@HowardBeckNYT
Cruel twist for Knicks: That trade exception L.A. used to obtain Nash? It was created in Tyson Chandler trade, then sent to LA in Odom deal.
Howard Beck ‏
Cruel twist for Knicks: That trade exception L.A. used to obtain Nash? It was created in Tyson Chandler trade, then sent to LA in Odom deal.
It sounds like Jason Kidd is close to a multiyear deal to stay with the Mavs. I was convinced the Knicks were going to get him, and it didn't really make sense to me. He saw a spike in his 3 point shooting a couple of years ago, but since then it's dipped back down to his career level of about 35%, and more than anything at this point the Knicks need capable shooters in the back court. At this point, there are three players on the roster who will be in the back court rotation (and a fourth in JR Smith who is rumored to be coming back), and of those four, JR Smith is the only reliable shooter. Whoever they bring in to back up Lin needs to be a capable shooter, in my opinion. I'd be interested in Aaron Brooks on a cheap, short deal to let him try and reestablish his value. Jameer Nelson probably doesn't want to back anybody up, but the market on him has been very quiet and he's still a solid player. Jordan Farmar is supposedly going to be bought out by Atlanta and will be cheap, and if Charlotte makes Dragic an offer that trumps his Phoenix offer, I wouldn't be surprised to see them pull DJ Augustin's qualifying offer. I'd also be very happy to see Delonte West in a Knicks uniform, even if it would up the crazy quotient in the locker room by a factor of 10.
At the moment, and obviously this will change, their depth chart by position looks something like this:
C: Chandler, Amare, Jordan
PF: Amare, Carmelo, Harrelson
SF: Carmelo, Novak, White
SG: Shumpert, JR Smith, White
PG: Lin, Douglas
They're also going to need a big off the bench. I'd be fine with re-signing Jared Jeffries as I like what he brings on the defensive end, but I'd also be fine with somebody like Kenyon Martin if he came cheap enough.
And as I posted the above, reporters all over the place are tweeting that there is strong mutual interest between the Knicks and Felton.
Who is pretty much the exact opposite of what the Knicks need in a back up point guard now that D'Antoni's gone.
Who is pretty much the exact opposite of what the Knicks need in a back up point guard now that D'Antoni's gone.
Yeah, that's a pretty solid summary of what it is to root for the Knicks. That said though, firing a motion offense coach for a defensive oriented, iso coach and then going out and trading for the best motion offense point guard in history would have been pretty Knicks, too.
Jason Kidd has chosen to leave the Mavs and will be joining the Knicks for multiple years. Other details unknown.
RealGM has it as well.
Jason Kidd has agreed to sign with the Knicks on a multi-year deal, according to sources.
Kidd will presumably backup Jeremy Lin if he is ultimately retained as expected.
Weren't there multiple reports he was going to the Mavs just last night? Wow, very surprising.
Mavericks looking like the goats of this off-season now.
Outside of his ability to mentor Lin, which I always thought was the coaching staff's job, I just don't see what Kidd brings to the table at this point. The Knicks need to be treading extremely carefully with every move they make as they have very little roster flexibility for the next 3 years, and they give a 39 year old 3 years? He shot 36% from the field last year and the Knicks run an ISO heavy offense that in no way takes advantage of Kidd's distribution abilities (6.9 assists per 36). He better be a really, really good mentor.
Ha, it's quite alright. Pretty much impossible to be a Knicks fan and not have a sense of humor about the front office's idiocy.
His Synergy numbers from last year show that he can still be a top pick and roll ballhandler, and of course he has a year experience with Chandler, which should help both of them:
Offense:
PNR ballhandler 0.98 PPP (11th in league)
Spot-up 0.97 PPP (141st in the league, but overall not terrible)
Transition 0.54 PPP (291st in league) – crazy since Kidd used to be one of the best end-to-end transition guys ever
Defense:
pretty average – 0.83 PPP overall 166th in league
terrible against isolation – 1 PPP (297th)
otherwise ok, ranking 23rd-95th only other major play-types.
I actually think the Grunwald administration has done a great job thus far, especially considering Dolan is always lurking.
I don't get how signing both Kidd and Felton, then throwing a ton of money at Lin, makes any sense. That is a ton of money tied up in a very average point guard rotation.
The Four Letter suggesting that Lin won't be matched and that Kidd is the replacement!
Chris Broussard will probably quote this post any second now...
Chris Broussard will probably quote this post any second now...
Really? The Knicks probably have the worst future cap issues this side of the Lakers, is being a mediocre Eastern Conference playoff team really worth it? This team isn't winning a title as currently constructed, and can't rebuild now for 3 more years.
I have to think it's important for the Knicks to be in the playoff conversation right now with Brooklyn coming in.
With the off-season the Knicks have had, they actually might not even make the playoffs. That's when Melo and Amare really start to sulk, and the wheels fall off completely. Knicks fans may have more fake Melo injuries to look forward to in the future.
He took over with Melo and Amare already on the books, he's somehow managed to add Chandler, Shumpert, Lin, Novak, JR Smith and Kidd, despite not really having any cap room at any point (they got Chandler by amnestying Billups).
Huh? Again, they were 18-6 under Woodson last year, and that was mostly without Lin or any semblance of a PG. They haven't lost anyone as of now (except Fields, addition by subtraction) and have replaced Baron Davis/Bibby with Kidd, a marginal upgrade.
Ah you are right, I always forget he didn't do the Melo trade.
I think they are a playoff team, but Woodson has always run the offense through a wing (Johnson in ATL, Melo in NY) I'm not sure how well Lin and Melo work as teammates, both are ball dominant. Kidd in some ways makes more sense for that offense.
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
Lin offer sheet will be a three year deal, with team option for the fourth, league source tells Y!
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So I think that means the most it can be is like the Asik deal, right? 3/25, 5/5/15? NY will be fucked in that third year, but there's no way they won't match.
Lin offer sheet will be a three year deal, with team option for the fourth, league source tells Y!
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So I think that means the most it can be is like the Asik deal, right? 3/25, 5/5/15? NY will be fucked in that third year, but there's no way they won't match.
Just saw it reported as 5, 5.2, 9.3, and 9.3 in the option year. Knicks match that, no question.
I don't love the Kidd move, and I love it a lot less if he comes via the MLE (as opposed to a Sign and trade). The guy is simply not that useful at this point, and frankly I see the backup point guard spot as ideally being handled by a young solid on the ball defender who can push a little bit (Greg Anthony, if you will).
If they keep the MLE, they should be in play for a guy like Camby, Lewis, Lee or Mayo. Any of those guys would be decent adds.
If they keep the MLE, they should be in play for a guy like Camby, Lewis, Lee or Mayo. Any of those guys would be decent adds.