Freemium games make me despise all of these iPhone games. I'm not saying this is one, but so many are "free" and then you end up paying through the nose. Let me just pay for the whole game up front /randomrant
NortheasternPJ said:Did they talk about performance with games with Apple TV? They keep mentioning "console class" GPU
I had to step out during the end of Apple TV
derekson said:
The Apple TV has the same A8 chip as last year's phone.
NortheasternPJ said:
Ugh. Why not throw an A9 in there? I'm hoping they at least jacked the speed of the A8 since they don't have to worry about battery and have a shit ton more room for cooling.
canderson said:Shooting 4K video on a 16GB iPhone is a premium experience, guys!
derekson said:
Honestly the A8 is pretty overkill for a set top box. A9 would be massively overkill.
ifmanis5 said:Great. I've always needed to design a factory on the phone while I take a dump.
canderson said:They're doing their own leasing program, that actually makes a ton of sense.
canderson said:They're doing their own leasing program, that actually makes a ton of sense.
I had a friend who works for Microsoft actually explain this to me last year. IIRC he said the majority of users actually use hardly any space so they can put it out cheap and go with the "Starting from xxx" price to sound ultracompetitive.derekson said:Fucking ridiculous to add a 12 MP camera and 4K video and stick with a 16 GB base phone, especially when a $799 iPad starts at 32 with a 12.9" screen and a $149 Apple TV starts at 32 GB.
canderson said:I had a friend who works for Microsoft actually explain this to me last year. IIRC he said the majority of users actually use hardly any space so they can put it out cheap and go with the "Starting from xxx" price to sound ultracompetitive.
I'm going to need math help to see if this is better than merging into AT&T Next. I'm currently on a no-contract Mobile Share Value 15gb plan with two contract-free phones. Wife isn't upgrading this cycle so need to math out if the Next is more cost effective than Apple's new plan. Applecare+ is a big bonus, but I can afford a new phone outright so insurance isn't something I ever get.derekson said:
Yeah. And adding AppleCare + into it at the price given is a big fuck you to carriers and their overpriced insurance plans too. Basically a counter fuck you to the carriers for ending subsidies.
canderson said:iCloud pricing is great, too bad you can't drag/drop files like Dropbox. Even in iOS IMO iCloud is virtually useless since you can't save files to it and then open a directory to retrieve them (ie Dropbox).
canderson said:I'm going to need math help to see if this is better than merging into AT&T Next. I'm currently on a no-contract Mobile Share Value 15gb plan with two contract-free phones. Wife isn't upgrading this cycle so need to math out if the Next is more cost effective than Apple's new plan. Applecare+ is a big bonus, but I can afford a new phone outright so insurance isn't something I ever get.
derekson said:
Okay, but why not build an 8 GB Apple TV for $99? Not many people are going to drop 32 GB of apps onto a set top box, even if they install some games.
NortheasternPJ said:
Everyone that I know, their main use of iCloud is for Photos, not using it like dropbox.
canderson said:iCloud pricing is great, too bad you can't drag/drop files like Dropbox. Even in iOS IMO iCloud is virtually useless since you can't save files to it and then open a directory to retrieve them (ie Dropbox).
canderson said:iCloud pricing is great, too bad you can't drag/drop files like Dropbox. Even in iOS IMO iCloud is virtually useless since you can't save files to it and then open a directory to retrieve them (ie Dropbox).
NortheasternPJ said:$50 for 32 vs 64gb on the AppleTV is a no brainer. I've always been a 16gb iPhone person, I will probably go to 64gb next year with the 7 if 16gb is still the base.
NortheasternPJ said:
It really only makes sense if you upgrade every 12 months from what i can tell, which they implied. If you skip cycles it makes no sense, just like a phone contract, if you don't upgrade every 2 cycles, it's dumb.
You can do this. You go into the iCloud photo library settings and tell it to only use limited storage on the iPhone. It will download photos as you want to view them, in a resolution to fit the screen, rather than storing full resolution photos locally. The original, full resolution photos live in the cloud.singaporesoxfan said:
I don't really get iCloud. So far it seems like it backs up my iOS devices including photos, which is good if I lose the devices, but what I want is to be able to upload my photos to the iCloud Photo Library and delete the photos stored on my devices to free up space.
derekson said:You can do this. You go into the iCloud photo library settings and tell it to only use limited storage on the iPhone. It will download photos as you want to view them, in a resolution to fit the screen, rather than storing full resolution photos locally. The original, full resolution photos live in the cloud.
derekson said:To expand on the Apple payment plan vs. AT&T Next math (using the example of a $749 iPhone 6S+ 16 GB):
with Apple, you get 24 months of $31/month, with the option to upgrade any time after 12 months. This means you can upgrade after paying $372 in one year (~50% of the phone's retail cost). And you get free AppleCare+ ($99 normally). You can also keep the phone for 24 months and have a phone worth $200+ to trade in for a new phone at 2 years' time, or keep using the phone and pay no additional cost until you do want to upgrade.
With AT&T next, you have the following options:
Next 24: Ability to trade in @24 months, paying $25/month over 30 installments. At 24 months you'll have paid $600 and still not own your phone, but have the option of trading it in while owing $150 on it still and not having an actual equity in the phone. If you want to own the phone you need to pay 6 more months. At 24 months you've paid $144 less than the Apple plan, but you don't own a $200+ phone that you can trade in when you get your new phone.
Next 18: Ability to trade in @18 months, paying $31.25/month over 24 installments. At 18 months you'll have paid $562.50, but can upgrade for committing to a new lease. If you want to own the phone you go out to the same 24 months as Apple and pay $6 more, and at that point you can keep it or trade it in for ~$200 while upgrading to a new phone.
Next 12: Ability to trade in @12 months, paying $37.50/month over 20 installments. At 12 months you'll have paid $450 and can trade in your phone. If you continue you'll pay the phone off by 20 months and can then trade it in at 24 months for a new phone @~$200 credit.
If you want to upgrade at 24 months they're all pretty similar, other than Next 24 being a relative rip off since you owe them $150 on a phone worth $200+ when you upgrade, so you're basically putting $50+ into AT&T's pocket by upgrading.
If you want to upgrade at 18 months, and do the AT&T plan, you'll have paid $562.50. If you do Apple's plan and upgrade at 18 months instead of when first eligible at 12 months, you'll have paid $558.
If you want to upgrade at 12 months, you pay Apple $372 in a year vs $450 to AT&T.
Plus with the Apple plan you get AppleCare+, and you can basically swap carriers anytime you please without having to pay off the phone.
singaporesoxfan said:
Thanks, this is very helpful. One thing I don't get because I've never used an upgrade plan - when you say "upgrade", does that mean Apple or AT&T take back the phone you have right now, and give you a new one?
Thanks for this, it was what I was going to have to factor myself.derekson said:To expand on the Apple payment plan vs. AT&T Next math (using the example of a $749 iPhone 6S+ 16 GB):
with Apple, you get 24 months of $31/month, with the option to upgrade any time after 12 months. This means you can upgrade after paying $372 in one year (~50% of the phone's retail cost). And you get free AppleCare+ ($99 normally). You can also keep the phone for 24 months and have a phone worth $200+ to trade in for a new phone at 2 years' time, or keep using the phone and pay no additional cost until you do want to upgrade.
With AT&T next, you have the following options:
Next 24: Ability to trade in @24 months, paying $25/month over 30 installments. At 24 months you'll have paid $600 and still not own your phone, but have the option of trading it in while owing $150 on it still and not having an actual equity in the phone. If you want to own the phone you need to pay 6 more months. At 24 months you've paid $144 less than the Apple plan, but you don't own a $200+ phone that you can trade in when you get your new phone.
Next 18: Ability to trade in @18 months, paying $31.25/month over 24 installments. At 18 months you'll have paid $562.50, but can upgrade for committing to a new lease. If you want to own the phone you go out to the same 24 months as Apple and pay $6 more, and at that point you can keep it or trade it in for ~$200 while upgrading to a new phone.
Next 12: Ability to trade in @12 months, paying $37.50/month over 20 installments. At 12 months you'll have paid $450 and can trade in your phone. If you continue you'll pay the phone off by 20 months and can then trade it in at 24 months for a new phone @~$200 credit.
If you want to upgrade at 24 months they're all pretty similar, other than Next 24 being a relative rip off since you owe them $150 on a phone worth $200+ when you upgrade, so you're basically putting $50+ into AT&T's pocket by upgrading.
If you want to upgrade at 18 months, and do the AT&T plan, you'll have paid $562.50. If you do Apple's plan and upgrade at 18 months instead of when first eligible at 12 months, you'll have paid $558.
If you want to upgrade at 12 months, you pay Apple $372 in a year vs $450 to AT&T.
Plus with the Apple plan you get AppleCare+, and you can basically swap carriers anytime you please without having to pay off the phone.
derekson said:
Yes. The payment agreement is basically a 0% interest loan, and the upgrade period is when you can trade in what you owe on it + the phone itself and start a new "loan"/lease agreement.
But not on my phone, where I use it most often. (I store menus and itineraries and all there to grab while traveling).derekson said:
You can drag/drop files like Dropbox, either directly in OS X or via a browser window. It's called iCloud Drive.