Gitter done, Theo: let's put all our dumb I mean brilliant trade suggestions in this thread

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If folks like the idea of getting a good player by overpaying a bad player….isn’t it more efficient and easier to just pay more than you’d like for a good player? It’s a better use of roster spots, too. I don’t understand the logic of taking in Yelich or Strasburg or whomever when there are good OF and SP available in free agency for just cash.
 
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I don’t understand the logic of taking in Yelich or Strasburg or whomever when there are good OF and SP available in free agency for just cash.
I think it is wishcasting that the "bad" contract player rebounds with Boston and the Sox basically get two good players at a reasonable price.
 

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If folks like the idea of getting a good player by overpaying a bad player….isn’t it more efficient and easier to just pay more than you’d like for a good player? It’s a better use of roster spots, too. I don’t understand the logic of taking in Yelich or Strasburg or whomever when there are good OF and SP available in free agency for just cash.
The goal is definitely not to overpay a "bad player" but to find an decent/good player with a big contract on a team that has a limited budget. Pairing that player with a good player, ideally still in arbitration who is going to get expensive, would be the goal.

The reason for being interested is total value, weighing such a trade against current massive free agent contracts for players at/approaching 30 years old who require forfeiting the team's second- and fifth-highest draft picks, plus losing $1 million in international bonus money.

I think the Sox front office cares a lot about losing those draft picks/international bonus money (likely why they went after Jansen who had previously received a QO and therefore couldn't be tagged again this year). I think Syndergaard is the only "notable" remaining starter who did not receive a QO. Wacha and Eovaldi will be attractive to the Sox for this reason, but, there aren't that many options in the free agent market. As for position players, Correa did not get a QO, nor did Brantley or Drury. Again, pretty limited options to target "to just pay more than you'd like for a good player" unless the Sox are willing to lose picks and bonus pool money (remaining options are Rodon and Swanson).
 

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Because it's more fun to live in a hypothetical world this offseason than the real one, here's how I spent 25 minutes of my time:

Trade Rafael Devers and Nick Pivetta for Brett Baty, Alex Ramirez, and Tylor Megill (Parada would be a good get, but probably too much to ask)
Trade Alex Verdugo and Jaren Duran to the Marlins for Jake Eder and Cody Morrissette (ML hitters - if we'd be so generous w/ Duran - for talented mL pitchers with question marks. Morrissette is a local kid and was more of a fun inclusion. This may be light for Eder, I'm not sure.)
Trade Bobby Dalbec for an mL arm (The Rays are rumored suitors...not sure if Bloom's experience in TB puts him at an advantage or disadvantage.)
Trade some of the mL surplus - and possibly Houck - for an Arizona OF...preferably Varsho. (Could also re-route some of a Devers package, whatever it is, to get this done. The point is to get a young cornerstone on the roster this winter without giving up the best of the best. Easier said than done, I know. There's a reason why I left this one vague.)
Finally, Re-stock the Padres system a bit and go get Ha-Seong Kim to play SS. He's signed for '23 and '24. I think the Adames price would be prohibitive, though I do like him.

Sign Noah Syndergaard (or Wacha)
Sign Justin Turner (or Longoria or Brian Anderson)
Sign Andrew McCutchen (or Pollock, Peralta, Pham, Gallo)

DH - Masataka Yoshida
2B - Trevor Story
CF - Daulton Varsho
3B - Justin Turner
1B - Triston Casas
LF - Andrew McCutchen
SS - Ha-Seong Kim
RF - Enrique Hernandez
C - Reese McGuire

BN - Connor Wong
BN - Eric Hosmer
BN - Christian Arroyo
BN - Rob Refsnyder

SP - Chris Sale
SP - Garrett Whitlock
SP - Noah Syndergaard
SP - Tanner Houck
SP - Tylor Megill
SP - Brayan Bello

CL - Kelley Jansen
SU - Chris Martin
RP - John Schreiber
RP - Joely Rodriguez
RP - Matt Barnes
RP - Zack Kelly / camp battle
LR - James Paxton

Philosophy here:
- With the right moves, I think we're almost through the fire, but they have to see it through.
- Stay under the CBT - without looking too closely, I think we'd squeeze in under this plan.
- Can't afford to misjudge the return for Devers...prospect evaluation is everything at this stage of the build. I'm not 100% sold on Baty, but I like that the Mets may be desperate.
- Good SPs (think guys whose upside is a #2-3 starter) in their mid-late 20s under team control for years to come will be big. Whitlock, Houck, Megill all fit this. Allows room for an ace or two on the books.
- The emphasis with vet free agents this winter needs to be guys who are still productive and will be net positives - not negatives - to the clubhouse culture, in what'll likely be a tough year.

Then, Bloom, Kennedy, Henry, and co. hold a 2-hour press conference, answer every question, do a podcast tour, and extend some goodwill moves to fans (whether ticket prices or whatever) with the overarching message being "Hang on. You've been patient, and we're almost there. We expected to go for it in '23, and because of how the market broke, that wasn't the right move. But we're nearly set up for perpetual playoff contention, and we have the makings of the next championship Red Sox team already in the organization." (I know that's generally been the message to date, but I think it's important to underscore at this point, and explain things in a way that is both honest but clear to the average fan.)

At the deadline, sell non-building blocks, with an eye toward 2024. Look for reclamation projects at SP, like Eovaldi circa '18. Do our best to unearth a gem or two in the bullpen from within the organization. (Needing to spend big on RP every winter isn't a winning formula, but it's better than the alternative.) Get a look at some of our top mL hitters.

Enter next winter with a ton of money to spend; more foundational ML pieces in the lineup, rotation, and 'pen than we have right now; and a loaded farm system, ready for promotions + trades.
 
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I hate the idea of trading Devers. The Sox have the resources to resign him. But if they decide to move him now, I'm calling up SF and seeing if I can get Marco Luciano in a deal for him.

Devers, Verdugo, Duran for Luciano. Luciano is a SS, but is expected to eventually move to 3B or possibly RF. Value is a little bit short according to BTV, but I think it's something that SF would think long and hard about. I like Luciano more than Baty, and he fits a little better with the Mayer timeline.

SF lineup: Joc, Correa, Devers, Flores, Yaz, Davis/Slater (DH), Verdugo, Bart, Crawford with Duran as their 4th OF.

It would leave the Sox very thin this year, losing 2 OF and Devers. They could sign Justin Turner to a short-term deal for 3B, and short team deals/trades for OF's (Brantley, Duval, McCutchen, etc).

All that said, just resign Devers!
 

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Trade Rafael Devers and Nick Pivetta for Brett Baty, Alex Ramirez, and Tylor Megill (Parada would be a good get, but probably too much to ask)

- Can't afford to misjudge the return for Devers...prospect evaluation is everything at this stage of the build. I'm not 100% sold on Baty, but I like that the Mets may be desperate.
Maybe you could get an even better prospect return by taking on Carrasco (1/$14M remaining) and McCann (2/$24.3M). Apparently, money is meaningless to Steven Cohen but the Mets are reportedly shopping each of these guys, presumably for a reason, and they do add depth to the Sox at positions that could use it.

$26M of salary relief in 2023 doesn't seem like that much for these crazy spenders, but if we assume Mets payroll is currently at $344M per certain estimates, their total payroll with tax payments included is currently about $421M.
  • Option 1: Devers + Pivetta for Baty, Ramirez, and Megill. Would add about $15M in net player salaries + $14M in tax (let's call it $30M) in 2023, for a total payroll + tax of approx. $451M.
    • (if you just take Pivetta out of this deal, Mets payroll + tax = $440M)
  • Option 2: Devers for Baty, Parada, Mauricio, Carrasco, and McCann. Would reduce net player salaries by about $16M and reduce tax payments by about $14M in 2023, for a total payroll + tax of approx. $391M.
So about a $60M difference between these Devers trades to the Mets, which they could presumably use to extend Devers and/or sign even more free agents.

Boston gets at least two top 50 prospects for a year of Devers. Baty (#18) replaces Devers, while Parada (#37) becomes your catcher of the future on the same timeline as Mayer. Mauricio is another dart throw at infield depth for 2023 and beyond. Still significantly under the first tax threshold, replace Eovaldi with Carrasco on only a 1-year commitment, and add some immediate near term C depth.

The Mets get a massive lineup upgrade with Devers, and a big chunk of salary relief they could then use to sign, say, Carlos Rodon to 7/$190. This would take Mets payroll + tax to about $442M, "only" adding ~$21M. (I'm getting cute here but hey it's Steve Cohen). Eduardo Escobar becomes their super utility guy, and the #1 prospect in baseball steps in to catch full time.

SP - Verlander
SP - Scherzer
SP - Rodon
SP - Senga
SP - Peterson/Megill

CF - Nimmo
SS - Lindor
1B - Alonso
3B - Devers
RF - Marte
2B - McNeil
DH - Vogelbach
LF - Canha
C - Alvarez
 

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These five for one deals aren’t that helpful if all the players need to go on the 40-man, are they? Don’t we have to account for the 4 potential casualties from the roster?
 

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These five for one deals aren’t that helpful if all the players need to go on the 40-man, are they? Don’t we have to account for the 4 potential casualties from the roster?
I don't think Parada and Mauricio would need to be added until next offseason. So with Devers outgoing, need to free up 2 spots. I think you could just add Wong to the trade (bit redundant with Parada and McCann) and cut Darwinzon or something.
 

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Trading Devers this offseason is essentially a nuclear bomb to the fanbase. As much as the FO and ownership indicates they are committed to a plan, I think losing their two best players, both homegrown, in one offseason essentially because they could not afford them is a hit to fan interest and satisfaction that ownership will not want to risk. I think FO and ownership do want to compete this year and are not going to throw in the towel before the season

I also think we would have heard rumors at this point. Bloom continues to say they are trying to extend him. A deadline deal is certainly possible but long way until that.

I think Sox continue to try to improve. As is, even if they just fill out the roster with nothing too spectacular, they can compete for the wild card. If not, and he's not extended, I think they will try and trade Devers at the deadline. I think part of the reason they did not do that with Bogaerts is that they really did want to re-sign him and Bogaerts seems like a guy that may have taken a trade as a slap in the face and then not given the Sox any priority in signing him. For some reason, I feel like Devers is more business (particularly with Bogaerts now elsewhere) and will essentially sign with the highest bidder if he makes it to free agency (including the Sox even if they trade him at the deadline).
 

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Trading Devers this offseason is essentially a nuclear bomb to the fanbase. As much as the FO and ownership indicates they are committed to a plan, I think losing their two best players, both homegrown, in one offseason essentially because they could not afford them is a hit to fan interest and satisfaction that ownership will not want to risk. I think FO and ownership do want to compete this year and are not going to throw in the towel before the season

I also think we would have heard rumors at this point. Bloom continues to say they are trying to extend him. A deadline deal is certainly possible but long way until that.

I think Sox continue to try to improve. As is, even if they just fill out the roster with nothing too spectacular, they can compete for the wild card. If not, and he's not extended, I think they will try and trade Devers at the deadline. I think part of the reason they did not do that with Bogaerts is that they really did want to re-sign him and Bogaerts seems like a guy that may have taken a trade as a slap in the face and then not given the Sox any priority in signing him. For some reason, I feel like Devers is more business (particularly with Bogaerts now elsewhere) and will essentially sign with the highest bidder if he makes it to free agency (including the Sox even if they trade him at the deadline).
I know they continue to say they want to extend him, but I just don’t think it’s at all realistic given their “plan”. Bloom said along the lines of wanting to get an extension done even if it’s a little above “reasonable.” If 6/$160M (with deferrals) for Xander was their definition of “reasonable” I don’t see any hope for an offer that would entice Devers at all. I really hope I’m wrong.

As shitty as it would be to trade Devers, keeping him and letting him walk just because you wanted to spread out the hurt to fans across multiple off seasons, or because you wanted to hold on to a slim chance of making a run like the 2006 83 win Cardinals, could be a franchise killing mistake.

I can see an argument for keeping him until the deadline if he’s willing to negotiate in season. But just because we haven’t heard anything yet, it doesn’t mean you won’t hear rumors in March.
 

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It’s so weird to me because Devers is still at the age where he could be a star player for another decade. It’s rare as shit for a player to come up as young as him and produce like he has.

The chances of one of our kids replicating his success is super slim. Even Mayer.

So why not lock him down and build around him? How this hasn’t happened yet is so crazy to me.
 

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It’s so weird to me because Devers is still at the age where he could be a star player for another decade. It’s rare as shit for a player to come up as young as him and produce like he has.

The chances of one of our kids replicating his success is super slim. Even Mayer.

So why not lock him down and build around him? How this hasn’t happened yet is so crazy to me.
I agree. And by the time his contract gets "bad" - like, when he's 32 or 33 - good players will be getting like $45m a year probably, so his $30m a year at that point won't actually be that bad.

I wanted X to stay but I didn't want the Sox to back up the Brinks truck for him. I *DO* want them to back up the Brinks truck for Raffy. And they should want to as well.
 

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Yeah. I wonder what market rate extensions for Bogaerts and Judge would have looked like 18 months or so earlier. Maybe a lot like hometown discounts now.

Probably the same with Devers.

The baseline for players has changed. Even more so for elite ones. It will likely change again. Doesn't mean teams can't get burned. Of course they can, particularly with regard to player health. But that is the way the market has been going.
 

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If there aren’t free agents available that fit our budget and timeline then it’s time to buy more prospects.

Idea #1: Take on Hicks' deal for Luis Gil, giving the Yankees Blaze Jordan. Yankees save some money, they have Dominguez coming up soon, and this will shift Stanton away from being a full-time DH. Jordan might turn out to a good player a few years down the line, and he doesn't clog their 40-man. We get Hicks who's all right but often injured, and Gil who'll likely miss the year but could be a very good pitcher when healthy.

Idea #2: Take on Kris Bryant's deal for Zac Veen. Bryant has $130m left on his deal, that's probably already $50m underwater, which is the value of a top 10 pick. Veen is a top 10 pick. He's already up to AA and he would fill a positional need. Maybe we throw in $20-30m. Bryant is back to 3B if (when?) Devers goes.
 

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Idea #1: Take on Hicks' deal for Luis Gil, giving the Yankees Blaze Jordan. Yankees save some money, they have Dominguez coming up soon, and this will shift Stanton away from being a full-time DH. Jordan might turn out to a good player a few years down the line, and he doesn't clog their 40-man. We get Hicks who's all right but often injured, and Gil who'll likely miss the year but could be a very good pitcher when healthy.
I think NY would happily do this in a vacuum, but I think they might have some other trades in the works already. Gil might be back late this season also, his TJS was in May 2022.
 

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Kris Bryant would fill the need for right handed power, although I'm not sure the Rockies would immediately try to dump their biggest signing from just last year. The other option would be working out something with the Angels for Renfroe or Ward. Ward seemed like a AAAA player until a productive 2022, but he may be an extra piece if the Angels think Adell might start hitting.
 

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Mets "aggressively" shopping James McCann

Given the need for catching in the Sox organization, I wonder if we could buy a prospect or two by taking on McCann. He's probably toast with the bat but as a backup or platoon mate with McGuire, he would push Wong to AAA for more seasoning and lengthen the depth chart.
You could probably do a bundle deal and get Carlos Carrasco at 1/14 also, I think Cohen would be happy to shed that deal too at this point.
 

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OK this one's a bit out of left field but what about reuniting with our former top prospect, Yoan Moncada to play 2B?

After making $13.8M in 2022, Moncada's contract is about to get pretty expensive for Chicago: $17M in 2023 + $24M in 2024 ($25M club option for 2025 with a $5M buyout).

He was terrible last season. But it wasn't that long ago he put up a 140 OPS+ as a 24 year old. Maybe that's not ever going to happen again, but even a rebound to 2021 is a very good player (116 OPS+, 4 bWAR).

I don't know what he would cost but the dollars for a cost conscious team like Chicago might mean you won't have to give up too much prospects if they'd entertain trading him (I was going to suggest something along the lines of a swap with Verdugo but then they went ahead and signed Benintendi). Chicago could also use the money saved to retain Tim Anderson.
 

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OK this one's a bit out of left field but what about reuniting with our former top prospect, Yoan Moncada to play 2B?

After making $13.8M in 2022, Moncada's contract is about to get pretty expensive for Chicago: $17M in 2023 + $24M in 2024 ($25M club option for 2025 with a $5M buyout).

He was terrible last season. But it wasn't that long ago he put up a 140 OPS+ as a 24 year old. Maybe that's not ever going to happen again, but even a rebound to 2021 is a very good player (116 OPS+, 4 bWAR).

I don't know what he would cost but the dollars for a cost conscious team like Chicago might mean you won't have to give up too much prospects if they'd entertain trading him (I was going to suggest something along the lines of a swap with Verdugo but then they went ahead and signed Benintendi). Chicago could also use the money saved to retain Tim Anderson.
Fun idea and I’d gamble on the bat, but it looks like Moncada hasn’t played 2B since 2018, when he graded out at -10 defensive runs saved.
 

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You could probably do a bundle deal and get Carlos Carrasco at 1/14 also, I think Cohen would be happy to shed that deal too at this point.
I'd be interested in a deal for McCann and Carrasco. Not exactly sure what they'd be looking for at this point, though. A bullpen arm? A 4th OF?

According to BTV (I know), McCann and Carrasco's combined value is -25.5. Does adding Parada to the deal for someone like Duran interest them?
 

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I'd be interested in a deal for McCann and Carrasco. Not exactly sure what they'd be looking for at this point, though. A bullpen arm? A 4th OF?

According to BTV (I know), McCann and Carrasco's combined value is -25.5. Does adding Parada to the deal for someone like Duran interest them?
I bet just salary relief and a few non-40 man low level prospects, maybe low 2022 draft picks.
 

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Wilmer Flores as a 2B trade option assuming Kike plays SS? 110 OPS+ last 4 seasons. According to Statcast, his swing is perfect for Fenway: 58 home runs over last 4 seasons vs 69 expected home runs had he hit at Fenway. Doesn't strike out a ton, has a bit of power, but a poor defender. Owed $6.5M this year and next with an option for 2025 so he fits under the tax. Also plays the corner IF spots (where he is probably better suited).

Might be redundant on the SF roster with Thairo Estrada at 2B, Wade Jr/JD Davis at 1B, and David Villar at 3B.
 

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Since this is a fantasy, silly, make up a trade scenario thread, here goes: Duran, Barnes and a mid-tier prospect for Gleyber Torres. Who says no 1st? He's going to arb hearing, so there is some bitterness to that. Money seems to work and Sox free up a 40 man spot.
 

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Since this is a fantasy, silly, make up a trade scenario thread, here goes: Duran, Barnes and a mid-tier prospect for Gleyber Torres. Who says no 1st? He's going to arb hearing, so there is some bitterness to that. Money seems to work and Sox free up a 40 man spot.
The Yankees, they don't need either of those guys.

If you want to offer Houck, I'm sure Cashman would seriously listen.
 

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The Yankees, they don't need either of those guys.

If you want to offer Houck, I'm sure Cashman would seriously listen.
Would you do Houck for Torres if you were Chaim? and the Yankees OF is not as deep as you'd think. Judge, Bader(defense 1st guy), Hicks(was awful last year and been hurt), Florial(?), and Stanton, who is better served as DH...they may have some interest in Duran w/ the tools, short porch in right, and a change of scenery...
 

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I understand why many of the trades proposed recently on this board include Duran. We've all seen him play, we've all been disappointed in him, and many of us don't think he's likely to become a major league quality player. So why do so many people think that other GM's, who have access to all the information we do and then some, might see value there? Sure, if they have an open spot on their 40 man roster they might be willing to take a flyer on him, but I don't see that he's going to have more value to another team than he has for the Red Sox at this point. Expecting to get a viable major league player in return for him is pie in the sky thinking. He is at best a throw in unless/until he shows he can play in the majors.
 

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Would you do Houck for Torres if you were Chaim? and the Yankees OF is not as deep as you'd think. Judge, Bader(defense 1st guy), Hicks(was awful last year and been hurt), Florial(?), and Stanton, who is better served as DH...they may have some interest in Duran w/ the tools, short porch in right, and a change of scenery...
Uh, I’m well aware of the Yankee OF depth chart. You left out Cabrera (and all the guys coming from the minors in the next 1-2 years), they do need a LF upgrade if possible, but that's not Duran. Gleyber is definitely available, just not for your proposed package.
 

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Uh, I’m well aware of the Yankee OF depth chart. You left out Cabrera (and all the guys coming from the minors in the next 1-2 years), they do need a LF upgrade if possible, but that's not Duran. Gleyber is definitely available, just not for your proposed package.
Houck, Duran and Niko Kavadas for Gleyber?? What say you?
 

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Would you do Houck for Torres if you were Chaim? and the Yankees OF is not as deep as you'd think. Judge, Bader(defense 1st guy), Hicks(was awful last year and been hurt), Florial(?), and Stanton, who is better served as DH...they may have some interest in Duran w/ the tools, short porch in right, and a change of scenery...
After last year, I genuinely think a healthy Arroyo is not that far off from Torres. Granted, we’ve never seen a healthy Arroyo over a full season, but considering he’s likelier to pull off a passable shortstop and that Gleyber costs about $20M more over the next two seasons, I’d prefer the guy we have.
 

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Houck alone would probably do it, although contrary to popular belief, I don't have decision making power for NY's personnel moves (if I did, Peraza would have played a lot more last year). I think Cashman will move him out of the division though, if he even moves him at this point.
 

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Houck alone would probably do it, although contrary to popular belief, I don't have decision making power for NY's personnel moves (if I did, Peraza would have played a lot more last year). I think Cashman will move him out of the division though, if he even moves him at this point.
But have you ever traded Torres for Duran…. On weed?!?!?
 

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After last year, I genuinely think a healthy Arroyo is not that far off from Torres. Granted, we’ve never seen a healthy Arroyo over a full season, but considering he’s likelier to pull off a passable shortstop and that Gleyber costs about $20M more over the next two seasons, I’d prefer the guy we have.
Torres is a full year and a half younger than Arroyo and has 96 career home runs to Arroyo's 21. I think he's probably a better athlete who could move around in future. Christian didn't exactly light it up in RF when he got the chance last year. He is a nice player, but i believe Gleyber to be superior going forward. And i totally get the inter-division trading thing, that's why this thread is silly but fun. Especially in mid-January...
 

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Torres was worth 2.4 fWAR last year, Arroyo’s entire career is 0.7 fWAR. Not really sure the appeal of Arroyo; he’s fine as a utility player but he doesn’t have much power, never walks, and is ok defensively, I guess (fangraphs seems to hate his defense, bref doesn’t.)
 

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Torres was worth 2.4 fWAR last year, Arroyo’s entire career is 0.7 fWAR. Not really sure the appeal of Arroyo; he’s fine as a utility player but he doesn’t have much power, never walks, and is ok defensively, I guess (fangraphs seems to hate his defense, bref doesn’t.)
Expected wOBA
Arroyo ‘21, ‘22: .301, .330
Torres ‘21, ‘22: .331, .319

Expected wOBA vs. RHP
Arroyo ‘21, ‘22: .278, .326
Torres ‘21, ‘22: .310, .312

Defensive Runs Saved at 2B
Arroyo ‘21-22: +9 (697 innings)
Torres ‘21-22: +7 (1252 innings)

Defensive Runs Saved at SS
Arroyo ‘21-22: +1 (78 innings)
Torres ‘21-22: -10 (930 innings)

Salary (arb)
Arroyo ‘23, ‘24: $2M, $3.5M~ (est.) = $5.5~ million total cost
Torres ‘23, ‘24: $9.8M, $13M~ (est.) = $23~ million total cost

Gleyber’s gaudy, juiced ball-aided home run totals in 2019 set his arb salary rate on a kind of quasi-superstar track he can’t keep pace with. He’s obviously a good player — and he’s stayed healthy, which is the most important part. But for the purposes of this exercise, I do not think the difference between them is worth $18~ million and Tanner Houck.
 

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Houck alone would probably do it, although contrary to popular belief, I don't have decision making power for NY's personnel moves (if I did, Peraza would have played a lot more last year). I think Cashman will move him out of the division though, if he even moves him at this point.
Wait, what? Then how did you get to be a dope??

I’m not offering Houck for Torres. It’s not really unfair (maybe a little; I’d want a decent mL throw in), but I’m not interested in giving NY a good 5 year controllable arm. Certainly not for Torres.
 

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I was talking about trying to get Garrett Crochet from CHW for Torres (before Hendriks went out), and I think Houck is roughly similar (possible SP/possible long reliever, with great stuff and with options remaining), but I wouldn't make that deal either if I was BOS. I do think Gleyber could go nuts in the right environment and I think not having to deal with SS defensively has helped his focus, but yeah I don't see that happening.
 

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I was talking about trying to get Garrett Crochet from CHW for Torres (before Hendriks went out), and I think Houck is roughly similar (possible SP/possible long reliever, with great stuff and with options remaining), but I wouldn't make that deal either if I was BOS. I do think Gleyber could go nuts in the right environment and I think not having to deal with SS defensively has helped his focus, but yeah I don't see that happening.
Does Crochet have any proof of concept as a starter? Not trying to be snarky, just not as acquainted with his work as I probably should be. I don't believe he's started since college (& even then mostly pitched in relief).

Looks like they stretched him out a bit early in the season in '21, with a maximum of 3 innings in an appearance, early in the year on 5 days rest followed by 16 days off. After that 12-batter outing, he never faced more than 8 batters in an outing the rest of the season, ending up with 54.1 innings in 54 appearances.

& then he had TJ surgery in Spring '22 & missed the whole season. His pitching coach has already said he'll be in the bullpen in '23. He's still young, & the stuff seems fun, but the beginning of his career doesn't really profile like someone who is going to be able to consistently handle a heavy workload.
 

jon abbey

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Does Crochet have any proof of concept as a starter? Not trying to be snarky, just not as acquainted with his work as I probably should be. I don't believe he's started since college (& even then mostly pitched in relief).

Looks like they stretched him out a bit early in the season in '21, with a maximum of 3 innings in an appearance, early in the year on 5 days rest followed by 16 days off. After that 12-batter outing, he never faced more than 8 batters in an outing the rest of the season, ending up with 54.1 innings in 54 appearances.

& then he had TJ surgery in Spring '22 & missed the whole season. His pitching coach has already said he'll be in the bullpen in '23. He's still young, & the stuff seems fun, but the beginning of his career doesn't really profile like someone who is going to be able to consistently handle a heavy workload.
Heh, you maybe researched the situation more than me, I just know he was rushed up after being drafted but they always planned for him to be a SP longer-term, but then TJS got in the way. Here’s how the White Sox saw him as of November:

https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/why-white-sox-garrett-crochet-015943392.html