DrewDawg said:
Well now we can re-sign the long snapper.
E5 Yaz said:
The Cowboys were offering Jason Garrett and the Bills were offering Jeff Tuel and conditional chicken wings.
Former Patriots Quarterback Ryan Mallett Named Starter in Houston
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Well now we can re-sign the long snapper.
The Cowboys were offering Jason Garrett and the Bills were offering Jeff Tuel and conditional chicken wings.
Yeah, he was a poor pick at that spot, no doubt about it. If you draft a QB in the third round, and then develop him three years under Tom Brady, he should have appreciated in value over that time, but the opposite occured. The Pats were hoping for a #1 or #2 pick for Mallett a few months ago and no one bit because he's only worth a #6 right now and they were fortunate to get that. O'Brien is probably the only guy who thinks he can fix him.Dogman2 said:
But JP, right out of the box, looked more like an NFL-ready QB than Mallett.
Yup.Dogman2 said:
Mallet was injury insurance for three years and we're all damned lucky that they never had to cash in on the policy.
Given his lack of play and lackluster performances in exhibition games, anyone expecting better than a 6th was reaching.
A friend just complained that they "wasted a 3rd round pick and only got a 6th," totally ignoring that they got three years of insurance.
It will be interesting to see if Mallet ever materializes into a serviceable QB...though I tend to doubt it.
Bottom line for me: I'm glad Jimmy G is the back-up in that he looks to be a lot better, and I'm glad that they salvaged some value for Mallet at this time. All positive.
By all accounts he fell due to character concerns, by talent alone he was considered a 2 round pick. Belichick must have felt they got value, where they picked him. If Brady missed time and Mallet played well it could have been a Cassel situation. Or even if Mallet played like Garropolo in a couple preseason they probably could of got a 2 or 3. Instead they got three years of a cheap backup, which in itself holds value. It was a gamble that turned bad. The decision itself at the time I believe was a good one, how many 3rd picks turn out. Teams are dying for solid qbs, clearly Mallet never showed he could be even that.Dogman2 said:
So we spent a 2nd and a 3rd for a 6th and JG? Color me unimpressed.
Would rather have had the 2nd rd pick (used on someone else) and Mallett, than the 6th round pick and JG. The extra couple of years don't do THAT much for me, considering it was spent tutored by TB.
Would rather have had the 2nd rd pick (used on someone else) and Mallett, than the 6th round pick and JG. The extra couple of years don't do THAT much for me, considering it was spent tutored by TB.
The mediocrity of Ryan Mallet was countered by the potential brilliance of Jimmy G. Frankly, I thought he sucked and am thrilled with a sixth rounder.
Has there ever been a trade in the history of SoSH, in any sport, in which 10% of posters (or more) haven't bitched?
TheoShmeo said:
What insurance, though? I didn't see a single thing from Mallett in preseason that indicated he could back Brady up more adequately than, say, Brian Hoyer, who was an UDFA that the Pats let go for nothing. I have a feeling they kept Mallett over him because they thought he could develop and net them something in return, and not necessarily because he was the better option at that time. Obviously, I don't watch practices, so I can never have a definitive opinion on the matter, but I'm not sure they got very good insurance from Mallett based on what we've seen.
We'll never know. But do you think that having lived with this experience in 2008, BB would continue to retain a backup QB he knows is I inadequate in the hope he'll develop into trade currency?rodderick said:
And even with this perfect hindsight. The outcomes are variable. It certainly could have been worse. Wasn't KOC also taken in 3rd?
Dan to Theo to Ben said:
The Patriots eventually will have to invest in a sucessor for Brady. Mallett wasn't the right age to be that guy, Garoppolo is. They were in completely different situations. If they don't draft Garoppolo with a second rounder this year, they most likely would have had to spend a high draft pick on a QB next season. If they liked the kid (and, from the little we've seen, they had reason to), why delay this process another year?
It's not just the years, it's the talent as well. If the Patriots view Jimmy as someone who can step in for Brady due to injury and eventually take over as the franchise QB, but don't believe Ryan can do those things, than you can't just look at it as cost-controlled years of a backup QB.Dan to Theo to Ben said:
I'm very surprised. IMO this speaks to how much they like Garoppolo and how much he's progressed. A 6th/7th-round pick is essentially nothing (hell, the Pats cut two 6ths and a 7th yesterday); they're basically giving him away. I wonder if steering his destination is part of the thinking here: they didn't really want the Jets or someone to pick him up, plus they help out old buddy BOB and reward Mallett for being a good soldier by putting him in a good situation.
dcmissle said:
I honestly don't know. I just think that had he and Hoyer both been equal, or had Hoyer been 10% better, maybe it makes sense to keep Mallett because of his bigger upside and potential to get something in return. I'm not saying Belichick knew then he wouldn't develop, just that seeing as he didn't develop I'm not sure what surplus value he adds as a backup QB in contrast to someone like Hoyer or Kyle Orton, two guys who you didn't give up a 3rd rounder to get. So yes, with the benefit of hindsight I'd say using a 3rd rounder to pick Mallett was a bad choice, seeing as even then the main justification for the move was "well, this is a high upside guy who they could develop and trade for even better assets in the future", and not "hey, we got an average backup QB, awesome".
Corsi said:
This is just further indication that they were likely ready to outright cut Mallett if a team other than the Texans weren't interested in him as well.
We saw nothing much from Matt Cassell until he played in 2008. And I think most of us would have expected less than what we got based on Cassell's limited experience in college and limited NFL exposure until then. The best insurance is often insurance you have and never have to use. I agree that Mallet has looked underwhelming but you often don't know what you have until a player gets placed on the crucible.rodderick said:
Sources close to the situation say that the Bills were offering Anchor Bar wings, but the Patriots wanted Duff's. That's where the negotiations stalled and the Texans swooped in and offered Bill a lifetime supply of Texas BBQ.phragle said:
If the Patriots kept him all year as the backup and then let him go no one would have said anything. I'm happy sunk cost, give me the roster spot.
I am surprised that some chucklehead team like the Jets don't place a waiver claim for Danny Aiken, just to piss off Belichick. Doesn't this kind of chicanery happen before week 1 every year?
To me, it seems the plan was to drop Mallett, but when the Texans offered less than a 7th rounder, then Belichick called their bluff by dropping Aiken instead.
To me, it seems the plan was to drop Mallett, but when the Texans offered less than a 7th rounder, then Belichick called their bluff by dropping Aiken instead.
Here's the thing -- we have nearly no ability to gauge the value Ryan Mallett brought to the Patriots. There are some things that are facts -- he was selected in the 3rd and traded for a 6th. Other things are of uncertain value, namely, how good Ryan Mallett is at playing QB in the NFL and thus the quality of the insurance Mallett provided for 3 years.
[It is possible that Ryan Mallett is really good. I don't think many doubt this possibility. It's also possible that he stinks. Nobody doubts this possibility. All we have to go on are his uninspiring pre-season snaps. Matt Cassel similarly looked terrible for a good while and started very slowly when he finally had the reigns. That there were no other good alternatives allowed Cassel to grow into the perfect situation and prove his trade value to the rest of the NFL. Mallett never really got this chance. If you think he's not good enough to be a starter -- you're entitled to your opinion and I'd probably bet on your side -- but I'd also argue that we really don't know.]
If Mallett turns out to be a bust in Houston then we'll know it was a crappy pick [edit: to the extent busted 3rd round picks are crappy]. If he turns out to be a good QB then suddenly the pick doesn't look so bad [edit: by not so bad I mean very good for a 3rd round pick]. We can't hold it against Belichick that Brady never got hurt and that Mallett didn't shine in his brief stints during pre-season.
Note: the value of Mallett as insurance is only valuable insofar that he was better than what the Patriots could have signed off the street. If he was much, much better then the Patriots got great value out of Mallett in the form of unrealized insurance for a reasonable price (edit: in my opinion). If he was pretty much interchangeable with Brady Quinn and Tim Tebow, then obviously it sucks to trade a 3rd round pick for a 6th round pick 5 years later.
edit: tldr; theoshmeo's post a few up.
[It is possible that Ryan Mallett is really good. I don't think many doubt this possibility. It's also possible that he stinks. Nobody doubts this possibility. All we have to go on are his uninspiring pre-season snaps. Matt Cassel similarly looked terrible for a good while and started very slowly when he finally had the reigns. That there were no other good alternatives allowed Cassel to grow into the perfect situation and prove his trade value to the rest of the NFL. Mallett never really got this chance. If you think he's not good enough to be a starter -- you're entitled to your opinion and I'd probably bet on your side -- but I'd also argue that we really don't know.]
If Mallett turns out to be a bust in Houston then we'll know it was a crappy pick [edit: to the extent busted 3rd round picks are crappy]. If he turns out to be a good QB then suddenly the pick doesn't look so bad [edit: by not so bad I mean very good for a 3rd round pick]. We can't hold it against Belichick that Brady never got hurt and that Mallett didn't shine in his brief stints during pre-season.
Note: the value of Mallett as insurance is only valuable insofar that he was better than what the Patriots could have signed off the street. If he was much, much better then the Patriots got great value out of Mallett in the form of unrealized insurance for a reasonable price (edit: in my opinion). If he was pretty much interchangeable with Brady Quinn and Tim Tebow, then obviously it sucks to trade a 3rd round pick for a 6th round pick 5 years later.
edit: tldr; theoshmeo's post a few up.
SeoulSoxFan said:
How quickly we forget Tuesday.
Corsi said:
Same year of any possible compensation pick.
SeoulSoxFan said:
Especially with all the fanboys around here.
This sums it up quite well.TheoShmeo said:
When Mallett first showed off his pro arm it seemed like he had some real potential. But in the years since he's done nothing to improve; in fact, I'd say he's regressed pretty badly. Likely due to lack of playing time, but still. Very happy not to have needed the Mallett insurance policy. Plus, this distraction is now off the table and JG looks like he's more than just an arm. Onward and upward.
Well them they would have to cut someone they kept yesterday to make room for Aiken.GBrushTWood said:
And at least another Pats move to come. Mallett's roster spot has been filled by Quarles.
Can't > 53? Or do I have that wrong?
Almost assuredly their current LS, which they might do if they feel Aiken is an upgrade.dcmissle said:
Then the move would be to improve their team and not piss off BB.
I'm waiting for criticism that Pats' claiming of Quarles was a violation of some unwritten rule, and ungentlemanly toward his should-be friend, Tom Coughlin. Peter King or Deadspin
I'm waiting for criticism that Pats' claiming of Quarles was a violation of some unwritten rule, and ungentlemanly toward his should-be friend, Tom Coughlin. Peter King or Deadspin
.dcmissle said:
Right, I know. I was just trying to make the point that cutting Aiken isn't without risk (if it's true that he's more than JAG PS). I may have misunderstood your point and I'm sorry if I did.
phragle said:
We're discussing the trade of a 3rd string QB, do we really have to bring this "fanboys" stuff into the conversation? It's the most minor move the organization can make, I'm sorry if there are people who aren't apoplectic about the deal.
This. Roster spots are like gold to BB, people tend to forget the team went 12-4 and to the AFC title game because of a deep roster. If it was a Polian built team they would have been screwed. Cut or traded doesn't matter Mallet provides no value to this years team. Fill it with someone who can potentially help.rodderick said:
They added Quarles to the 53, based on posters comments and playing well in PS, I'd much rather have him on the team than Mallet. Seems like a player the will have some contribution this year, especially with the injuries at DT.
A question for those who expected Mallett's trade value to go up,
How many QBs can you think of who never started a game over a 2-3 year period after being drafted then were traded for a pick higher than the one at which they were selected?
I can think of only two in 25 years.
Edit- actually only 1, the second I thought of was traded after 1 year.
How many QBs can you think of who never started a game over a 2-3 year period after being drafted then were traded for a pick higher than the one at which they were selected?
I can think of only two in 25 years.
Edit- actually only 1, the second I thought of was traded after 1 year.
I was gonna say: a fifth round pick for a guy that plays 12 games, starts 5, catches 3 TDs and about 300 yards.
Not a victory or anything, but it's hard to see how that's getting "worked". What's the baseline expectation for a 5th round draftee?
Not a victory or anything, but it's hard to see how that's getting "worked". What's the baseline expectation for a 5th round draftee?