Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time
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http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/03/10/felger-mazz-simulcast-with-cjad-in-montreal-on-charas-hit/
Go back and listen to it. It's worth it. I love that the Canadian radio hosts got tore a new one and then just hung up.
My favorite quote is probably at the beginning, where Rick does the lead in, and decries how Canadians are going to turn to soccer instead of hockey lol.
Great segment; I wish Felger was more sure of where the Zednik hit happened.
this is incredibly enjoyable, i wish they were taking phone calls from folks in Montreal
Felger is the best with this stuff, i'd like to make him Boston sports ambassador and don't care that he's a cheesehead and doesn't even really like most of our teams
Felger is the best with this stuff, i'd like to make him Boston sports ambassador and don't care that he's a cheesehead and doesn't even really like most of our teams
In the history of the Big Show, have they ever had a segment of radio as entertaining as that? Thats the difference in the shows right there.
In a way, I think Felger treats the locals as a little brother types. He's gonna keep them in line and pick on them, but if someone from outside the family steps in to participate he's defend the hell out of them.
In case anyone's interested, this segment is also available in podcast form on iTunes: Felger & Mazz iTunes link
I'm listening to it now for the first time. Felger ate those guys' lunches.
EDIT: and they hung up on Felger because they couldn't respond to the point that they're foul hypocrites.
EDIT: and they hung up on Felger because they couldn't respond to the point that they're foul hypocrites.
I felt a little bit bad for those Canadian guys. It did not sound like a sports talk radio program at all. It sounded like a news program with an anchor/host who had his best guy in the sports department join him on air. Those guys wanted to talk about how awful it is that Pacioretty got guillotined and how the NHL should do more to protect hockey players and so on. Once Felger attacked and basically backed them into the corner of having to either a.) admit that Canadians fans were acting like deranged soccer moms b.) state emphatically that they agree with the Montreal fans who flooded emergency lines calling for Chara to be arrested or c.) completely change the subject they were cooked. I don't think they were even expecting a fight, let alone an all out beatdown.
There's no way those guys were going to say anything bad about Habs fans. I could just tell from the way the main host segued back from commercial that it wasn't going to be that kind of show on their end.
There's no way those guys were going to say anything bad about Habs fans. I could just tell from the way the main host segued back from commercial that it wasn't going to be that kind of show on their end.
Yeah, but no. Their opening was a grandstanding that Chara intentionally rammed Pacioretty's head into the stanchion. "Barry" even attempted to reference McLaren's elbow on Zednik as evidence that the reaction was justified. They even attempted to point to precedent, which had absolutely nothing to do with the Chara hit. to justify the reaction of calling the police. (A junior player deliberately chopped the legs out from under a ref as he threw him down on his head, causing substantial injury.). I don't think you can complain about being put in an indefensible position, when you're the one who originally put yourself in that position. You should be forced to at least attempt to verbalize your defense of an idiotic position, so at the very least you might realize how stupid it is when you hear your voice speak it. This is the radio station that encouraged their fans to call the police. I think they deserved every bit of it.
It wasn't them, it was CKAC, which is a French sports talk station.
CJAD isn't a sports talk station, it's a news station that happens to be the English language broadcaster for the Habs.
If they wanted to do a simulcast, they'd have been better off doing it with Mitch Melnick. That would have been better radio, since Melnick would be more able to hold his own.
CJAD isn't a sports talk station, it's a news station that happens to be the English language broadcaster for the Habs.
If they wanted to do a simulcast, they'd have been better off doing it with Mitch Melnick. That would have been better radio, since Melnick would be more able to hold his own.
They called 98.5 not the other way around. Felger was just gitty that someone from Montreal called, they didn't care who.
If you told me that banner was from an old unaired SNL clip of Al Franken playing "Ric Peterson, Candian Radio Host" I wouldn't have questioned it.
That being said, I still feel bad for the guy. There was no way he was going to kowtow to Felger but that was probably the first passionate sports segment the guy was ever a part of, and it showed.
That being said, I still feel bad for the guy. There was no way he was going to kowtow to Felger but that was probably the first passionate sports segment the guy was ever a part of, and it showed.
gloves weren't dropped at all...As Felger would say.....Shocker!
I'm surprised he didn't ask him how he liked the weather in Milwaukee.
I guess D&H were wrong when they say Big Game James wouldn't be effected...maybe Berger is next...or maybe Mut brought in his own producer?
I was sondering the same thing too. I kinda figured he went back with Toucher and Rich. I think he was there producer when they were on 'BCN.
Can't argue with you on that. The show -- which had great promise -- is becoming unlistenable.
I'm completely done with talk radio ever again after today. These guys are either morons or portray themselves as such to the point it's hard to think otherwise. Utter garbage today, these two dip shits are incapable of ever passing along a single fact without the words kinda, around, something, I think it was about and so on. In five minutes today Tony was railing on the ratings over the weekend and then cited the ratings for the 2008 opener and said "I think it was a Monday" You think it was a Monday? Why can't he look? Why can't he check before the show? How hard is it to sit there and say "Ya know, we're going to compare ratings of recent season openers on the show today and MLB opened in a different manner than previous seasons. If we're going to compare the numbers maybe I should actually be aware of what days of the week we're comparing" Nope too hard for Tony, he knows Texeira's OPS from the weekend but he can't be bothered to know what days of the week the sox have opened on in recent seasons.
The two idiots then threw out guesstimates on how many home runs Carl Crawford had hit in his career and decided on "around 70". They've got to be kidding, how hard could it possible be to type Carl Crawford into the box on B-Ref's home page and scroll down to his stats and look at HR, goto to the bottom of said category and uh repeat the fucking number that is shown. That, seriously, would take less time than I just spent writing out the process in which one would take on such a monumental task. Then, and this is just complete and utter bullshit, they said Carl Crawford "wasn't a Bill James player" what? how? What is that even supposed to mean?
They then went on about how Crawford won't be worth his contract, because they can tell this sort of thing three days into the season ya know, because for that kind of money the fans "want to see home runs". I wasn't aware that the fans wanting to see home runs was the determining factor in deciding if a player was worth his contract. They completely refused to give any credence to the fact that Crawford could provide value with his defense, apparently because they're fucking stupid.
What really took the cake is they had one caller come on the air and say the pitchers did so poorly because they didn't have any heart. Yes, the caller to the radio show felt comfortable enough with his opinion to call in and tell them that he somehow knew that Lackey, Lester and Buchholz didn't pitch with heart over the weekend. He then said Kinsler should have got knocked down or plunked on Saturday and that if Beckett were pitching he would've thrown at Kinsler. Evidently, approaching major league baseball games like a hockey game is the way to go. The two morons then proceeded to not agree but also not completely disagree with the caller.
They did however manage to completely and I mean completely refuse to address anything the one intelligent caller had to say about Crawford. He cited Crawford's defense, how it would matter in Fenway because despite the short wall he told the morons there was such a thing as lateral movement in the outfield, and he also said he would make up for the lack of home runs and RBIs with steals and triples and that he would hit more homers than they had thought. The caller opened by saying that Mass and Felger were in there 50s. That was the only part of the call they addressed before Tony started off talking about Tex again.
Complete garbage. It is completely beyond my understanding why and how these shows exist and how these guys find themselves in such positions. They make stuff up, backup nothing they say with anything, can't remember anything, Mass doesn't even watch the games. It's pathetic and it angers me that they have the ability to influence the opinions of so many people and choose to do so in a way that harms the well being of the general public and makes us all dumber or makes other people dumber who we then have to try and explain why these morons are, well, morons. I just can't take it anymore.
Edit: Grammar.
The two idiots then threw out guesstimates on how many home runs Carl Crawford had hit in his career and decided on "around 70". They've got to be kidding, how hard could it possible be to type Carl Crawford into the box on B-Ref's home page and scroll down to his stats and look at HR, goto to the bottom of said category and uh repeat the fucking number that is shown. That, seriously, would take less time than I just spent writing out the process in which one would take on such a monumental task. Then, and this is just complete and utter bullshit, they said Carl Crawford "wasn't a Bill James player" what? how? What is that even supposed to mean?
They then went on about how Crawford won't be worth his contract, because they can tell this sort of thing three days into the season ya know, because for that kind of money the fans "want to see home runs". I wasn't aware that the fans wanting to see home runs was the determining factor in deciding if a player was worth his contract. They completely refused to give any credence to the fact that Crawford could provide value with his defense, apparently because they're fucking stupid.
What really took the cake is they had one caller come on the air and say the pitchers did so poorly because they didn't have any heart. Yes, the caller to the radio show felt comfortable enough with his opinion to call in and tell them that he somehow knew that Lackey, Lester and Buchholz didn't pitch with heart over the weekend. He then said Kinsler should have got knocked down or plunked on Saturday and that if Beckett were pitching he would've thrown at Kinsler. Evidently, approaching major league baseball games like a hockey game is the way to go. The two morons then proceeded to not agree but also not completely disagree with the caller.
They did however manage to completely and I mean completely refuse to address anything the one intelligent caller had to say about Crawford. He cited Crawford's defense, how it would matter in Fenway because despite the short wall he told the morons there was such a thing as lateral movement in the outfield, and he also said he would make up for the lack of home runs and RBIs with steals and triples and that he would hit more homers than they had thought. The caller opened by saying that Mass and Felger were in there 50s. That was the only part of the call they addressed before Tony started off talking about Tex again.
Complete garbage. It is completely beyond my understanding why and how these shows exist and how these guys find themselves in such positions. They make stuff up, backup nothing they say with anything, can't remember anything, Mass doesn't even watch the games. It's pathetic and it angers me that they have the ability to influence the opinions of so many people and choose to do so in a way that harms the well being of the general public and makes us all dumber or makes other people dumber who we then have to try and explain why these morons are, well, morons. I just can't take it anymore.
Edit: Grammar.
I think what you mean to say is
"You're Absolutely Right, Mike, and Mark Texiera would have thrown 2 shutouts, and saved the opener, if the Sox weren't too cheap to spring for dinner during the negotiations."
Also, the 2008 Opener had a higher rating. Really? The opener after a World Series win was a huge ratings draw?
Pretty good rant..
That show's been garbage for a while; I stopped listening a long time ago. Hockey talk may be their redeeming quality, but I don't really listen to it.
Wonder if there's is a chance of McAdam taking over the Baseball reporters..
That show's been garbage for a while; I stopped listening a long time ago. Hockey talk may be their redeeming quality, but I don't really listen to it.
Wonder if there's is a chance of McAdam taking over the Baseball reporters..
Wow, that rant was epic. I am glad I told myself to not listen to any sports radio today.
Also I saw this in the Chad Finn chat last Friday, for some proof that Mazz is just strirring up shit.
Also I saw this in the Chad Finn chat last Friday, for some proof that Mazz is just strirring up shit.
Seriously, I make the mistake of turning on a radio without immediately changing the station, and Tony's already wondering how much of Crawford's contract the Sox are going to wind up having to eat to unload him?
I speak from experience when I say you can take it off entirely by listening to something else.
I got a kick out of F & M saying they are worried Crawford could have problems because he'll never live up to the contract. Then they cited JD Drew as an example of someone who people always bring up his contract when talking about JD's performance. They qualified their statement about Crawford by saying that if he performed well in the postseason everyone would say the contract is worth it and nobody would care about how much is gets paid. Apparently they forgot about JD Drew hitting one of the most important HRs of the 2007 playoffs, his GS in Game 6 of the ALCS.
The entire show was, "We're not going to jump to conclusions after 3 games, but ....." It was classic Ordway. You're not saying the team is going to be bad if they all of a sudden go on a 10 game winning streak, but if they tank for a while you can say you saw the signs early. You get to get to have all the upside with none of the downside of taking a position. Awesome.
It is days like this when they could be better by bringing in some good guests with a real expert opinion. But that might require some effort. Its better to whip the callers into a frenzy and offer up about 30 "potential" problems that they can select from 2 months from now show they knew it all along. Yawn.
They used to try to be better, but once they got some ratings they turned into WEEI with an FM signal. Felger can still bring it 1-2 days a week and those days are great. But Mazz continuously tries to drive the show into a ditch. I sometimes wonder if T&R didnt do Naughty Mazz if the station would be more open to canning Mazz and going with someone that works with Felger better.
The entire show was, "We're not going to jump to conclusions after 3 games, but ....." It was classic Ordway. You're not saying the team is going to be bad if they all of a sudden go on a 10 game winning streak, but if they tank for a while you can say you saw the signs early. You get to get to have all the upside with none of the downside of taking a position. Awesome.
It is days like this when they could be better by bringing in some good guests with a real expert opinion. But that might require some effort. Its better to whip the callers into a frenzy and offer up about 30 "potential" problems that they can select from 2 months from now show they knew it all along. Yawn.
They used to try to be better, but once they got some ratings they turned into WEEI with an FM signal. Felger can still bring it 1-2 days a week and those days are great. But Mazz continuously tries to drive the show into a ditch. I sometimes wonder if T&R didnt do Naughty Mazz if the station would be more open to canning Mazz and going with someone that works with Felger better.
This makes me hate him even more. I think I am done with local sports radio too. Between F/M being a disappointment after the promising start, there really aren't many choices now. Tried catching some of Ordway and Holley today and it was just annoying. Glenn trying way too hard. I turned it off after hearing Glenn spazzing out about "Cha-lee" (as in Charlie Wilson). Just sounded so fake. iPod, Sirius/XM, or silence are all better options.
Do you believe this guy is one on my fucking brothers!!!!?????
God, I love him!!!
This is a very entertaining post. But it's a bit like complaining that fire is hot and then wondering how it could possibly thrive in a forest of dry dead pines.
And one more thing. I agree that Mazz is horrible and that he is a shadow of his former self and has turned into a ratings hound and yes man for Felger. But! Felger still gets praise around here from the likes of Sparky Lyle and his ilk (can't believe we sprung from the same loins!) who love that he's a contrarian and deigns to bring hockey into the mainstream of sports radio. Sure. Great. Thanks Felgy. Now say something intelligent for the first time in like months, Mike, instead of the ratings-driven extreme -- and uninformed -- opinions that are beaten to a pulp for four hours day, every day, without end.....
Of course Maalox is right. It's like baying at the moon or resenting the sun for rising to complain about the inane nature of sports radio. But when you're in your car driving home there isn't a whole lot to listen to and you're always drawn back to the station in the irrational hope you'll hear something that doesn't make you want to drive off the road. It's the definition of insanity. Doing the same stupid thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
So call me insane.
There's never been in my opinion a worse moment in Boston sports radio history than the one we're experiencing now. It's a friggin' wasteland. The Big Show actually sucks more now than it did before Fred Smerlas and DeOssie were sent to a richly deserved oblivion. Ordway is completely lost in his new role. Holley is intelligent and as bland as warm milk. One more discussion of how The Trade ruined the Celtics and I'm going to shoot myself. Felger and Mazz had great potential but Felger's cynical approach to everything, his whoring for ratings, his narcissistic, sophomoric, repetitive rants have made his show unlistenable.
And they'll probably win the next ratings book and Felger can revel in his victory.
And his show will still suck.
Of course Maalox is right. It's like baying at the moon or resenting the sun for rising to complain about the inane nature of sports radio. But when you're in your car driving home there isn't a whole lot to listen to and you're always drawn back to the station in the irrational hope you'll hear something that doesn't make you want to drive off the road. It's the definition of insanity. Doing the same stupid thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
So call me insane.
There's never been in my opinion a worse moment in Boston sports radio history than the one we're experiencing now. It's a friggin' wasteland. The Big Show actually sucks more now than it did before Fred Smerlas and DeOssie were sent to a richly deserved oblivion. Ordway is completely lost in his new role. Holley is intelligent and as bland as warm milk. One more discussion of how The Trade ruined the Celtics and I'm going to shoot myself. Felger and Mazz had great potential but Felger's cynical approach to everything, his whoring for ratings, his narcissistic, sophomoric, repetitive rants have made his show unlistenable.
And they'll probably win the next ratings book and Felger can revel in his victory.
And his show will still suck.
Ok so you just said that Ordway and Holley are too bland, but that Felger and Mazz are too big of ratings hounds..... so what kind of sports talk show would YOU prefer?
I guess I just don't understand what some of you are really looking for here? How can you dislike everything about all four of them even though all four of them are completely different on-air personalities? That's a broad spectrum of distaste
I guess I just don't understand what some of you are really looking for here? How can you dislike everything about all four of them even though all four of them are completely different on-air personalities? That's a broad spectrum of distaste
I dispute the idea that he's really a nice guy who's just doing schtick. When Schilling started posting certain things here exclusively Tony was one of the main whiners and threatened to not cover Schill's charity if he didn't talk to the media more. Take that people with ALS!
And he unleashed a really ugly, hateful attack on the fans after the Herald had to retract and apologise for the bogus Rams practice-taping story. Because clearly it was our fault that Rollo and the Herald have no ethics between them.
He sure seems like a piece of shit.
Also, hi.
That's basically exactly how I feel and how I ended up listening in yesterday. I guess I should really start downloading podcasts onto my phone and listening to them while I drive if I don't want to listen to music. But yea, I pop into 98.5 like twice a month just to check and make sure they didn't all of a sudden decide to stop sucking.
I was going to say that Felger and Mazz are now as bad as Mustard and Johnson, but that would be hyperbole... but, when they discuss baseball, the are surely as bad as Butch Stearns*. I hereby bestow upon them a "BS" award.
What drives me crazy is that there is a legitimate argument over why Theo was so hot for Crawford and whether or not his judgement will prove correct or not. Crawford's defense should/could provide over 25 more putouts in left field over, say, a Jason Bay type left fielder. His 40-70 SB's per year are not reflected in his OPS, so why the hell do Mazz and Felger soley use OPS to state that he's overpaid? What would be productive if Mazz were to state why he thinks SB's and fielding are NOT enough to compensate for the fact that Crawford's OPS is always going to be lower than another $20+ mil position player.
The caller may have erred when he said that both Felger and Mazz were in their 50's, but their comprehension of baseball is something right out of the 1950's.
(Don't ask my why I listen. I usually just catch very small fragments of their show, but every once in a while I stay tuned for more than 30 seconds just to raise my blood pressure, I guess.)
* But at least Butch is just a nice, dumb guy that I wouldn't mind having a beer with and telling how dumb he is. If I ever had a beer with Mazz, I'm sure I'd drill his face into the bar within the first minute of discussion.
One that was intelligent, informed, not sensationalist. I'd pay to listen to Bob Ryan and Jackie MacMullen talk about basketball, for instance. But I readily admit that I'm not the target audience for these shows and if they followed any formula I'd devise they'd go out of business in short order.