He made up a username, something like "I don't care if user MyMomsBasementIsCold on Sons of Sam Horn calls me a weenie - I AM NOT A WEENIE!"
I do like Angry Mazz. Miss his appearances on the Big Show.
Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time
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I do like Angry Mazz. Miss his appearances on the Big Show.
Yeah, nobody was named, and it was Tony basically whining about the anonymity of the internet, as if I wouldn't happily post my name, phone number, address, and mother's maiden name along with my musings on how sycophantic and ill informed he is
Nine times out of ten, if a media guy comes onto the board and makes a few posts, most people here do back flips and kiss their ass. If they're good guys like Art Martone, Gordon Edes, etc. they get a lot of latitude.
I don't understand how sportswriters can be so stupid as to miss this truth.
I don't understand how sportswriters can be so stupid as to miss this truth.
Felger is going to be crowing and bragging non stop about how he's been pleading for the B's to play Seguin more...and he's right. But what he won't bring up is how he constantly argued that the Bruins should trade that draft pick last year at the deadline for Ilya Kovalchuk.
Mainly because he said that for about three seconds before realizing that it could be the #1 or 2 pick and seeing the track record for NHL players picked that high. I guess that isn't as fun to post though.
Ummm, not really true but that's okay. He talked about Kovalchuk for weeks. Saying they need to give up what they have to get an impact player. Eventually Beattle (I think it was him) got tired of his argument and told him to go thru the top scorers in the NHL and see how many were top picks he eventually changed his mind - but not until Beattle convinced him and not until he harped on it for at least a week if not more. Is this post fun? Because it's accurate.
But then again you're the guy who said I was obsessed with this show and should stop listening and posting (even though I've made 7% of the posts in this thread). So I'm really not going to consider you a credible source. But thanks for looking out for me!
So let me get this straight. He changed his mind based on facts (see your below quote) months before the draft, and more than a year after it you still want mea culpas for his former opinion of an undetermined draft pick that you assume he will ignore during the rant about the eventual player that you are imagining he will have? That son of a bitch.
I guess you've graduated from wondering to publicly trying to predict in the Felger Thread Without Thoughts. Congrats.
Wow, you really are hung up on me and my posts here. I feel special.
I like Felger most of the time (not Tony) and I think his ability to admit he's wrong is a rare and positive quality. But please tell me where I asked for Felger's "mea culpa" regarding Seguin because I think I was pointing out an accurate fact that he'll ignore. Sorry if I find it funny and ironic to see him crow about the kid's playing time after repeatedly saying they should trade the pick to begin with. I really don't know why you're so defensive about Felger, I think you should probably ignore my posts like you told me to ignore this thread. Clearly you're a little thin skinned regarding critical comments made about him.
Btw, I'll take your acquiescence regarding the Kovalchuk issue as your way of agreeing with me. Because his argument lasted quite a bit longer than "three seconds" and he only came to another conclusion after somebody else tired of his comments and pointed out the statistics. So now you're seeing the facts. Congrats.
I'll drop it after this since this is a waste of others' time. - I'm not even remotely sensitive about Felger, Ordway, Tanguay or any other such personality. I'm just annoyed by your dozens of mindless predictions and instant reactions to the guy. This thread is like a facebook group for jilted high school kids and you treat it like your own personal Felger-based Twitter account. These countless posts (or 7% of 2200) are annoying and trust me, I do my best to ignore them. (Jesus, you have 150 posts on Felger?)
I was trying to be polite on your Kovalchuk point. I find it asinine that you would expect him to reference his once-upon-a-time take on the trade value of a mere draft pick months before it was even determined whenever discussing the eventual player taken - especially since he changed his stance completely well before the pick was made. By that logic, if the Sox hadn't gone through with the Gonzalez trade, then all media members who supported it would have to bring that up whenever discussing Casey Kelly's role with the team. Everyone who thought that the Patriots should have traded pick 33 can never discuss Dowling without mentioning it. Dumbness irritates my skin. Of course, that would be the argument if he actually said it but we're discussing his dialogue in the latest of your many ultra-valuable prediction posts. Wait, shouldn't you be bringing up every one that was wrong each time you try to do it again?
Meh, you obviously take him way the hell more seriously than I do. Enjoy.
There is one thing Felger-based that I take seriously. I don't know if it was born of madness, genius or stupidity but his grotesquely unappreciated use of the philosophy "We'll burn that bridge when we get to it" amuses the crap out of me. Why it hasn't been claimed by either him or his haters is beyond me.
Banned, Commander Shears is right. Once listeners and experts told Felger that either Hall or Segun were both predicted to be can't miss stars, he dropped the "trade the pick for Kovalchuk" talk pretty quickly. And he was pretty self-deprecating about how dumb he was. And he wasn't advocating for the trade for a long time either, it was like two or three days. It's unfair to rip the guy about that.
You're not being a dick at all. It's a legitimate question. And I don't have an answer. I guess I find him weirdly compelling. I go to another channel as soon as he gets annoying but I do go back. But I'm less and less tolerant of him so the time I spend listening gets shorter and shorter. BTW, he's difficult to avoid. He's on everything. Plus 'EEI is a disaster area.
:lol: Well played.
Felger is going to be going off, and it's going to be great. I'm not sure I care if he held a different opinion about the pick, or that wanting to trade if for Kovalchuk is really inconsistent with wanting to play the player once the pick was made. I just know it will be entertaining this afternoon, and that's good enough for me.
It should be abundantly clear to the listeners of Felger and Mazz that Jermaine Wiggins knows very little about hockey. He's killing the show, sort of. He'll be great during football season but what the fuck.
No shit especially when he says to sit Greg Campbell instead of Shawn Thornton. Moron.
This is the exact problem that hurt WEEI. Jermaine Wiggins is TSH's equivalent of Smerlas. Having them on outside of football season is painful and occasionally (like today) detrimental. When somethign happens like happened last night, they are thrust way outside of their comfort and knowledge zone.
Fortunately, Wiggins is only on one day a week whereas Smerlas would be on sometimes 3 times per week (or so it seemed)
I'll give you an answer. As bad as things are there -- and they are pretty bad with the epic collapse of 'EEI -- they always could be worse.
In my town, Tony Kornheiser is revealing himself as a complete dick -- an old, bitter, extremely thin skinned punk, the sports vision of Donald Trump. It's bad enough that he assumes the mantle of Pravda during the Soviet era, defending his indefensible butt boy Danny Snyder and, worse, just ignoring clearly newsworthy stories that cast Snyder or the 'Skins in a negative light. Now Mr. Tony feels quite entitled to go after everyone -- especially women reporters -- with a meat cleaver, but then tears up like the schoolyard bully the minute someone even feigns to respond in kind.
Increasingly, Kornheiser is a hypocritical fraud, at least in my radio market. Thankfully, he is no longer in a position to pollute national football broadcasts. He's unlistenable, and it's a shame because he is talented.
I really wish Felger would pronounce Tyler Seguin's last name properly. It bugs me that he doesn't.
I swear I remember him harping on the Kovalchuk trade ("whatever it takes, even the Toronto first round pick") for at least a good week...but maybe I'm wrong. And just to be clear I genuinely like Felger and wasn't saying he's a fence sitting jackass like Ordway. Merely that I found his unabashed (and deserved) ballwashing of Seguin ironic and funny considering his comments twelve months ago; it wasn't like I thought he should be "ripped" and fired over it. It was just an observation - I didn't mean to stir up a hornet's nest with CommShears or anybody else.
That's the name of a famous country song from like 15 years ago and an old southern expression. A professor of mine used it all the time. I too like it when Felgie says it because that one simple aphorism exemplifies everything he stands for.
Completely understand, I just wanted to throw my two cents in there because my pockets were getting heavy.
I'm sure you're right, I hate Buffett so I wouldn't know. But after I googled it Brooks and Dunn had a song named "We'll Burn That Bridge (When We Get There)". That's what I was thinking of.
Very funny. But did you hear last week when a woman called him "Coach Potato Head"?
"Letting Victor Martinez go was a mistake"
--Mazz
Give me a break. Signing Victor Martinez would have prevented them from getting Adrian Gonzalez and Carl Crawford. Now that he can't complain about not signing Teixeira he has to really find stuff to bitch about now.
--Mazz
Give me a break. Signing Victor Martinez would have prevented them from getting Adrian Gonzalez and Carl Crawford. Now that he can't complain about not signing Teixeira he has to really find stuff to bitch about now.
He's got a point. If they had Victor, he could DH and Ortiz could solve the catching problem. :c070:
I actually think Tony's point all along has been that they should have signed Martinez and not re-signed Ortiz. martinez could have been the full time DH and caught when necessary
Problem with that is ortiz was an option that had to be picked up or declined by november 4th, and there was no way they could have had martinez by then unless they wanted to way way overpay so they would have had to let ortiz walk and potentially be left with no dh if they missed out on vmart
The problem with this is that you're bringing logic and reason into this discussion- Mazz's two mortal enemies.
I was going to go with the argument that salty won yesterdays game by driving in the only run, and had a home run in his last game before that, and tek had a 2 rbi game in his last start, but that would require mazz to actually watch the games
And Bob Kraft is cheap too.
With Phil Jackson's retirement, BB is now estimated by Forbes to be the highest paid coach in professional sports.
Mazz on his baseball show was going on and on about how Albers should never pitch in the 8th. How about Bard, Tony, should he be banished form the 8th too?
Just have no one pitch the 8th, refuse to come out and play the field. That would make Sports Center.
Alternatively, just have Papelbon pitch every inning not thrown by the starters. He usually does a pretty good job.
Alternatively, just have Papelbon pitch every inning not thrown by the starters. He usually does a pretty good job.
Who would have thought that the simple words "talk hockey" would have paid off as big as they have for "The Sports Hub" as a whole and especially Felger and Mazz...
By all accounts this is not GREAT hockey talk. Felgie has been wrong about virtually everything this postseason and Mazz's knowledge beyond the Bruins is probably pretty lackluster.
But that's okay...because people just wanted to hear some conversation about the Bruins. It didn't have to be good...they just wanted the topic thrown onto the table.
And now with the B's just one win away from the Stanley Cup, "Felger and Mazz" are now the "hockey show." Can you really imagine listening to Holley and Ordway today? I mean, I'm sure the hockey talk on EEI is somewhat similar to what Felger and Mazz are giving us, but the perception now is that Felger and Mazz know hockey and the folks at EEI don't. Brilliant move by Felger and 98.5.
By all accounts this is not GREAT hockey talk. Felgie has been wrong about virtually everything this postseason and Mazz's knowledge beyond the Bruins is probably pretty lackluster.
But that's okay...because people just wanted to hear some conversation about the Bruins. It didn't have to be good...they just wanted the topic thrown onto the table.
And now with the B's just one win away from the Stanley Cup, "Felger and Mazz" are now the "hockey show." Can you really imagine listening to Holley and Ordway today? I mean, I'm sure the hockey talk on EEI is somewhat similar to what Felger and Mazz are giving us, but the perception now is that Felger and Mazz know hockey and the folks at EEI don't. Brilliant move by Felger and 98.5.
You're giving Mazzerotti waaaaay to much credit here.
Your general point is excellent though; it's not great hockey talk, but it's the only local hockey talk around.
Weei's problem is that neither you nor I know the answer to this.
Plus, its possible to believe that they aren't talking Bruins.
The day after the trade deadline Mazz criticized the Peverley and Kelly trade acquisitions...then later in the show admitted he never heard of either guy prior to the pickups. So yeah, you pretty much nailed it. And Phenom's initial point is accurate as well - I was wondering if Ordway and Holley would lead with the collapse of Daniel Bard or the OKC Thunder.
Still, by talking hockey, and making a concerted effort to have it be a big chunk of their programming (and being the flagship), 98.5 as a whole has established the best set of interviews and experts, and the best callers. They may not know much about hockey, but they've created an environment where good hockey talk can happen
You know the other d ay I was driving to work and on a commercial break I flipped to 'EEI and heard Jack Edwards. Ordway and Holley had him on as a co-host. They must be feeling the heat big time. Of course I immediately turned back to the Hub because I wanted to and I can't stand Edwards. And listening to Ordway and Holley talk hockey is laughable.
No, they are. They still do the hilarious "Hockey Talk Minute from a Brother". See it's funny because they have a black guy give his input. Get it?
The problem is they can't talk hockey unless they have a guest in the studio. That strategy worked in the past but not now. And while Mazz brings nothing to the table on TSH, Felger can actually discuss hockey. Sure, he's no Andy Brickley but he makes an effort and is at least fairly knowledgeable. The ironic thing is Sean McAdam probably knows more than anybody on the station.
T&R have McAdam on (I think Wednesdays) and they talk hockey to start the interview every week. Good stuff.
To be fair, they took the only regular host they had who could talk hockey and relegated him to Sunday mornings.
And what I always thought was the strength of the old Big Show format was that they brought in guest co-hosts who could bring something to the table for the in-season sport. Unfortunately, they were either stupid or had a lot of bad timing, resulting in the likes of Smerlas trying to break down the Red Sox bullpen or DeOssie trying to break down the Celtics half-court offense.
Jack Edwards is sitting in with Ordway and Holley this afternoon, and did twice last week as well. So perhaps they're still committed to the idea of having someone knowledgeable on to talk about the hot topic sport.