Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time

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QUOTE (BoSoxFink @ Nov 10 2009, 03:58 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2678188
While I understand what he is trying to do here, the way he went about it will probably help WEEI, at least for today, since people are going to want to listen to how they react to this news.


I flipped right over to the Big Show to hear the reaction. They've been calling him a pussy all day.
 

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Ugh. That Tweet makes him sound like everyone's favorite "Glee" scene stealer.

As much as I think that Simmons was correct for not going on Ordway's show, it was incorrect for him to boast about it. Sort of a douchey move.
 

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QUOTE (John Marzano Olympic Hero @ Nov 10 2009, 04:07 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2678200
Ugh. That Tweet makes him sound like everyone's favorite "Glee" scene stealer.

As much as I think that Simmons was correct for not going on Ordway's show, it was incorrect for him to boast about it. Sort of a douchey move.


I just posted over in the Big Show thread, that the only one this really shines poorly on is Bill Simmons, he comes off as a coward and a premaddona. This is coming from someone who hates The Big Show and D and C as well.
 

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QUOTE (John Marzano Olympic Hero @ Nov 10 2009, 04:07 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2678200
Ugh. That Tweet makes him sound like everyone's favorite "Glee" scene stealer.

As much as I think that Simmons was correct for not going on Ordway's show, it was incorrect for him to boast about it. Sort of a douchey move.


Not to mention the fact that Felger wanted no part of the feud and called Simmons "thin skinned" for his reaction to it. Not exactly what Simmons was hoping for IMO.
 

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I didnt listen to Felgar and Mazz, did Simmons get specific about any of the "lies"?

This is not a surprising move in the slightest. Lil Billy cannot handle it when he gets called out, especially when the people doing the calling out might actually have a point.
 

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I'm sorry to hear that Simmons did not come off well in this interview. It seems to me that he should just take his lumps with WEEI and fire back as much as he wants so that he can put that behind him. It may just be that he's so much bigger than those guys, that he feels he has nothing to gain by getting into that type of pissing contest with them, but if that's the case, he should not have booked an appearance or fired the first shot.
 

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I just listened to the interview (the archive is up on TSH's website) and I also agree that Simmons did not come off all that well.

He never really answered Felger's question about why he doesn't just go on "The Big Show," besides saying "I don't want to give them the ratings."

But the fact is, by responding to Ordway's criticism, Simmons has turned some attention back to "The Big Show," by bringing them up in discussion. Felger and Mazz have been rapidly gaining momentum, and have done so without starting a pissing war with EEI. They put on a better show, and the mindset is that eventually the people will come. And judging by the latest ratings, that is beginning to occur in numbers larger than anybody could have originally forecasted.

Felger also made a good point by saying that "The Big Show" bashing Simmons won't do any damage to his career now, just as it hasn't in the past. So why get involved now? That, to me, was the point that really made Simmons look bad.
 

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Sorry, but anybody who says that Felger's baseball knowledge is poor should have listened to a little bit of the show from this afternoon.

They were talking about the Sox's offseason and Felger was really pushing Miguel Cabrera as a trade possibility. Felger's point is that Cabrera is likely available, and he's by far the best bat on the trade market, and one of the elite bats in the game.

He referenced Cabrera's home run totals, games played, OBP, slugging percentange, and OPS to prove his point.

It wasn't out of the ordinary, obviously, but very coherent and I found it refreshing to hear somebody on afternoon drive reference OPS and what not.

Maybe my standards are just woefully low, but I really don't think Felger is that bad on baseball. He's not an expert, but no worse than 95% of people working in this town (with the exceptions obviously being baseball people...but even then, I really don't think a guy like Cafardo is well above Felgie).
 

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I usually enjoy their show and the Miguel Cabrera talk was fine and all. Granted it's November and maybe we could talk about the 3 major sports in this town at are actually in season, but it was well thought out and not an irrational discussion.

But maybe I should have stayed in the car when I got home for the rest of the interview but when mazz asked cam to tell him "just how special a player patrice is" I shut it off and went inside. This was after Felger asked him a fairly good question about Rask, and I just thought that this type of question may belong in a market like Atlanta but in an original 6 city he should probably ask questions that have a bit more substance behind them than that.
 

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QUOTE (Spacemans Bong @ Nov 25 2009, 07:26 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2699344
There's four major sports in season right now and one of them is who are the Red Sox going to get. Not an irrelevant topic at all, IMHO.


Wait baseball offseason is "in season", see I was counting nfl,nba, and nha as in season when defined as actually being played at the time. The topic wasn't even the Halladay deal which was being reported everywhere, nor the fox sports report about mike lowell, but just Felger throwing it against a wall to see if it sticks. Unless I am missing some article about this being a potential trade being reported elsewhere I saw it as needless discussion when compared to the multitute of stories on the sports that are "in season". This was all just from a relatively small part of the show, and I usually get home later and listen to DA and enjoy listening to something a bit more concrete. With that being said Felgers argument was well thought out.
 

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QUOTE (shawnrbu @ Nov 25 2009, 08:51 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2700168
There is no offseason for baseball in this market. This site is evidence of it.


I would be dumb not to agree that in this market the interest for baseball is higher than in most. However while spirited discussions of a players VORP are present here I don't think it's necessarily fair to say such similar passion is present on the radio. My main issue was the time spent on a potential trade that which was just one hosts speculation. I am fine with discussing real trades that are being discussed between two teams even if it's in the offseason, but speculative trades while there is plenty to talk about in the "in season" sports just seems lazy and needless.
 

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QUOTE (ilya678 @ Nov 26 2009, 03:03 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2700590
I would be dumb not to agree that in this market the interest for baseball is higher than in most. However while spirited discussions of a players VORP are present here I don't think it's necessarily fair to say such similar passion is present on the radio. My main issue was the time spent on a potential trade that which was just one hosts speculation. I am fine with discussing real trades that are being discussed between two teams even if it's in the offseason, but speculative trades while there is plenty to talk about in the "in season" sports just seems lazy and needless.

I am listening to Mut and Bradford spend the last hour-plus talking about who is going to play shortstop for the Red Sox. Nobody has called in to talk about the Patriots.

Now obviously they are the hosts of the Baseball Show and the Patriots game is on Monday, which allows hype from the regular hosts and not the fill-ins. But still, there is interest. Hell, I remember how people were arguably more interested in whether the Red Sox were going to get A-Rod than the Patriots in the Super Bowl.
 

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Catching up on here in the media forum, but we've known Simmons was a thin-skinned poseur from his days of posting in the Port Cellar and acting like a baby when anybody argued with him on a point. Granted, he makes some serious coin and is living the dream, and I'd trade places with him in a heartbeat.

But he's still a thin-skinned poseur.
 

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QUOTE (Fratboy @ Nov 27 2009, 08:37 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2701455
Catching up on here in the media forum, but we've known Simmons was a thin-skinned poseur from his days of posting in the Port Cellar and acting like a baby when anybody argued with him on a point. Granted, he makes some serious coin and is living the dream, and I'd trade places with him in a heartbeat.

But he's still a thin-skinned poseur.

Or from his days of not posting in the Port Cellar, since didn't he leave in a huff after getting ripped on something?
 

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Felger -"ESPN has been too busy massaging the underside of Tiger's nutsack to gather information on this story."
 

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QUOTE (RedOctober3829 @ Nov 30 2009, 02:15 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2704465
Felger is on the top of his game today. The words "slut" and "ho-bag" have been uttered in the first 15 minutes. God I love this show.

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-"ESPN has been too busy massaging the underside of Tiger's nutsack to gather information on this story."


This makes him an entertaining listen, not more (or less) a journalistic entity than ESPN.
 

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Maybe this is a sign of how good the show is, or a sign that I need something better to think about...but at some point this weekend when I heard about this Tiger Woods situation, the thought of "I wonder what Felger will say about this" did cross my mind.

I can't remember ever tuning into "The Big Show" with any sort of curiosity about what Glenn is going to say about something.

This show definitely makes the afternoon hours go by a little more quickly. Almost always a very entertaining listen...I think Felger, Mazz, and the crew have developed excellent chemistry.
 

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I liked how last week Felger shot down the notion that baseball is all about pitching by citing the stats of many teams over the last few years that did squat, even though they had good pitching.

It was refreshing to hear some actual show prep as opposed to a guy like Ordway who just resorts to cliches and screaming to try and prove his point.
 

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QUOTE (Rocco Graziosa @ Dec 1 2009, 10:36 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2707272
They are gonna just murder Belichick and the Pats today. I cannot wait to listen.


They murder him when they win a game, today's gonna be a bloodbath. I don't know which team you root for Rocco, but as a Pats fan this is one of the reasons that I love this show. After a game like that last night I want to hear criticism, as opposed to the Big O telling me that everything is right with the world.
 

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QUOTE (Salem's Lot @ Dec 1 2009, 10:43 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2707283
They murder him when they win a game, today's gonna be a bloodbath. I don't know which team you root for Rocco, but as a Pats fan this is one of the reasons that I love this show. After a game like that last night I want to hear criticism, as opposed to the Big O telling me that everything is right with the world.


Thats exactly where I'm at. And they're gonna murder these guys in a pretty rational way, harping on the points they've been killing Belichick and the Pats on all year long. I wouldn't listen to the Big Show today at gunpoint.
 

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I love F+M, and was so disappointed to hear that asshat Tanguay and the rest of that lame crew when i got in my car at 5:30 yesterday. I am looking forward to today's show, but I do hope that Felger shows some range today.

As someone who listened to Felger on 890, he's been going off about Moss and belichick the roster builder for a long time. Which isn't to say he's always wrong, although he is positively myopic on Moss. He'll certainly be going off on both again today, but I hope he takes the time to get into some of what actually happened, that Brady played like trash and was under constant pressure, and that the Saints didn't respect the run game and had MLB spies on Welker most of the day. Felger can really talk football when he pays attention, and I'd love to see him pointing this stuff out. I'm just not sure I trust him to really branch off of his main points that he believes so fervently.
 

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Felger has zero credibility when it comes to Moss. He thought Moss was going to be cut in the Summer of 07 and he's held a personal grudge ever since. It may pre-date that to when Moss would embarrass his beloved Packers twice a year in the late 90's/early 00's. Felger is actively rooting for Moss to fail. I like Felger overall, but him going off on Moss is like listening to Borges speak about Belichick.
 

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He's blasting Moss for getting shut down by Mike McKenzie who Felger says was never good. Great stuff.
 

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QUOTE (shawnrbu @ Dec 1 2009, 02:10 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2707674
Felger has zero credibility when it comes to Moss. He thought Moss was going to be cut in the Summer of 07 and he's held a personal grudge ever since. It may pre-date that to when Moss would embarrass his beloved Packers twice a year in the late 90's/early 00's. Felger is actively rooting for Moss to fail. I like Felger overall, but him going off on Moss is like listening to Borges speak about Belichick.


Aaaand there it is. I don't fault Felger for criticizing how Moss played last night, but he just has to throw in that sarcastic "you people tell me he's the best in the game." Not sure I agree with his assessment that Mike McKenzie was never good either.
 

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Just tuning in now. EEI is going to talk to Belichick but I know what's coming. I think I'd rather just listen to these guys flip out than listen to Pete Fred Steve and Glen tiptoe around their access to BB
 

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QUOTE (bosox188 @ Dec 1 2009, 03:19 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2707697
Aaaand there it is. I don't fault Felger for criticizing how Moss played last night, but he just has to throw in that sarcastic "you people tell me he's the best in the game." Not sure I agree with his assessment that Mike McKenzie was never good either.


Aside from his odd comment about McKenzie (who was a pretty good player), he - as usual - willfully ignores the double bracket coverage on Moss.

The only guy who tends to get one-on-ones with Moss is Revis, and even he received help at times. Felger is just off the reservation on this point - how the fuck is Moss supposed to beat double-coverage for big plays when the pocket is collapsing on nearly every play?
 

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Well, lots of guys in this league see bracket coverage, some of them manage to beat it from time to time, most of them run actual routes to at least force their defenders to cover them. If there's a valid criticism of Moss, it's that he cuts off routes that won't work but doesn't run something to space, he just kind of drifts. Occasionally it works like it did late in the 2nd Q i think, where he slides open on the opposite side of the field, but there's something to be said for forcing the defenders to cover you.
 

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QUOTE (Judge Mental13 @ Dec 1 2009, 02:21 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2707700
Just tuning in now. EEI is going to talk to Belichick but I know what's coming. I think I'd rather just listen to these guys flip out than listen to Pete Fred Steve and Glen tiptoe around their access to BB



You know what they said during the Big Show opening?

"not an elite team ... terrible road team ... young defense not up to the task ... worst late season stinker in memory"

And "Rome is Burning"? Mazz is an asshat ... Only a fool viewed the Pats as favorites going into last night, and only a presumptuous ingrate thinks you're entitled to be viewed as SB worthy each and every year

So are they blaming this on the absence of Richard Seymour? Arrogance??

Sorry, you've got to bring more to the table than this. They run the risk of being as reactionary as the Big Show crew, but in the oppsite direction.
 

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QUOTE (dcmissle @ Dec 1 2009, 02:44 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2707749
So are they blaming this on the absence of Richard Seymour? Arrogance??

Sorry, you've got to bring more to the table than this. They run the risk of being as reactionary as the Big Show crew, but in the oppsite direction.

I had the same reaction today.

F+G sound like manufactured shticky outrage sportsradiobots. As crazy as it sounds, TBS has the better analysis thus far.
 

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QUOTE (ifmanis5 @ Dec 1 2009, 03:08 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2707799
I had the same reaction today.

F+G sound like manufactured shticky outrage sportsradiobots. As crazy as it sounds, TBS has the better analysis thus far.



No fucking way. These guys are fantastic today. I dont' agree with everything 100% but I agree with the overall tone. And its absolutely fun to get a little reactionary after a loss like that. Fuck the Big Show and their pom poms.
 

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QUOTE (ifmanis5 @ Dec 1 2009, 03:08 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2707799
I had the same reaction today.

F+G sound like manufactured shticky outrage sportsradiobots. As crazy as it sounds, TBS has the better analysis thus far.

Yeah, I listened to about 10 minutes yesterday. I thought they might have some good insight this week but it was nothing different than all season long. Not substance, just the same talking points repeated often. I think they taped some segments in preseason and replay it every week.
 

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I don't think there is anyone that has grown on me over the past few months as much as Felger. He completely nailed the Tiger story on Monday.

This show is now must listen for me.
 

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QUOTE (Sille Skrub @ Dec 2 2009, 04:09 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2709382
I don't think there is anyone that has grown on me over the past few much as much as Felger. He completely nailed the Tiger story on Monday.

This show is now must listen for me.


I couldn't agree more. Felger has grown into a presence on the radio. He runs that show, and does it with some smarts, a tad wit, and whole lot of energy. I for one like it that he blasts Moss, Belichick and the Pats when no one else in this town will, but the show is so much more. He even pulls the best out of Mazz. The moment Mazz dips back into his EEI cocoon, a host full of no opinions other than the cookie cutter "Boston fan" angle, Felger snaps him out of it. He literally says things like "Tony, you don't believe that!!" or "Have an opinion man!!!" Its great.

This show is gonna beat the Big Show in time. Maybe short time.
 

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QUOTE (Rocco Graziosa @ Dec 2 2009, 10:39 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2710049
I couldn't agree more. Felger has grown into a presence on the radio. He runs that show, and does it with some smarts, a tad wit, and whole lot of energy. I for one like it that he blasts Moss, Belichick and the Pats when no one else in this town will, but the show is so much more. He even pulls the best out of Mazz. The moment Mazz dips back into his EEI cocoon, a host full of no opinions other than the cookie cutter "Boston fan" angle, Felger snaps him out of it. He literally says things like "Tony, you don't believe that!!" or "Have an opinion man!!!" Its great.

This show is gonna beat the Big Show in time. Maybe short time.


As a long time Felger chronic, I can safely say that he was doing the same exact thing at ESPN 890. It's just that no one could hear him. Well, that and most everyone was still under the spell of the Big Show goons' endless ripping of Felger, as he had dared to entertain notions contrary to the Boston sports orthodoxy while on EEI's airwaves, so they hated him.
 

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Tomorrow will be another very interesting show...

Some complain that Felger and Mazz continually go back to the same talking points after a Patriots' loss, while DeOssie and Smerlas offer more " hardfootball analysis."

Which is true, you're not going to hear Felger or Massarotti talk about pre-snap reads and zone blocking schemes.

But in my mind, the Felger and Mazz talking points have been that the Patriots' defense/secondary is questionable, the offense can't consistently get it done on the road, and Randy Moss has a tendency to disappear down the stretch if he's faced with tough coverage (okay, the last one is mainly Felger's, and at times it is over the top. But I think it applies to this week's game). And of course, the whole can't win on the road thing.

Bottom line, that's what sports talk radio is about. Continually backing up your opinions and applying them when they fit. I don't see a problem with it.
 

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QUOTE (Phenom @ Dec 6 2009, 05:35 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2717451
Tomorrow will be another very interesting show...

Some complain that Felger and Mazz continually go back to the same talking points after a Patriots' loss, while DeOssie and Smerlas offer more " hardfootball analysis."

Which is true, you're not going to hear Felger or Massarotti talk about pre-snap reads and zone blocking schemes.

But in my mind, the Felger and Mazz talking points have been that the Patriots' defense/secondary is questionable, the offense can't consistently get it done on the road, and Randy Moss has a tendency to disappear down the stretch if he's faced with tough coverage (okay, the last one is mainly Felger's, and at times it is over the top. But I think it applies to this week's game). And of course, the whole can't win on the road thing.

Bottom line, that's what sports talk radio is about. Continually backing up your opinions and applying them when they fit. I don't see a problem with it.



Respectfully, I don't see the reason for the love these two get in this forum. I'm glad for the chance to have an alternative at last, but Mazz has very little to contribute on football, since he obviously doesn't study the game, and Felger spends far too much time on personality issues. I realize that many people here enjoy that Felger is not a NE fan, and that can be refreshing, but I am not enjoying the show's football moments.

I'll freely confess, though, that I like sports talk best when the hosts are on the fan side--pissed-off fans when the team stinks, or when they've suffered a crushing loss, but still fans at heart. The Joe Benigno-type. His Jets rants after a loss are glorious entertainment...but he bleeds for the team.

F & M on the other hand are sgentleman or lady of African descenters...

...it's interesting, in a recent thread people blasted über-reactionary fans like poor Julie6, but I'd rather have fans like that at my table, and I guess I'd personally rather listen to sports talk hosts like that...JulE6 is like the guy who freaks out when you spill your beer, even though it barely touched him--"Fuck! That's disgusting! The table's gonna be all sticky dammit!"--even after you've bought the last round. Felger is the guy who smirks and makes a douchey remark...two tables over. Mind you, I'm just talking about his football commentary, which nevertheless is a sport he knows well...and he seems bring a lot to the table as far as other sports...
 

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Today should reveal if they have anything of value to bring to the table.

The "emperor has no clothes" riffs won't get it done from here because 80% agree and another 19% are making noises about needing a new emperor. If they continue to beat the dead horse, they'll be exposing themselves.
 

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Today should reveal if they have anything of value to bring to the table.

The "emperor has no clothes" riffs won't get it done from here because 80% agree and another 19% are making noises about needing a new emperor. If they continue to beat the dead horse, they'll be exposing themselves.

This is where I'm at with them today. They are treading a line that is about to wear thin if they have nothing else to bring to the table other than the same stuff they have said over the last two weeks.

If they play the same cards that they did last week then they are in danger of becoming the same one trick ponies that WEEI has become, albeit on the overly negative side of the coin.

edit: And I hate to say it, but I agree with Felger wrt Moss. I think Brady was better when he didn't have Moss and had 5 JAGs to throw to. Moss isn't going to fight to get open, he isn't going to get you the extra 3 yards that you need, and he is going to take plays off when the ball isn't going to him. Moss is going to make spectacular catches when he has 2 steps on the coverage but aside from that he has been abysmal this season.
 

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QUOTE (dcmissle @ Dec 7 2009, 09:35 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2718242
Today should reveal if they have anything of value to bring to the table.

The "emperor has no clothes" riffs won't get it done from here because 80% agree and another 19% are making noises about needing a new emperor. If they continue to beat the dead horse, they'll be exposing themselves.



no way. They've been hammering the same points when no one wanted to hear it. They were "right" and they deserve to bask in it a bit. I suspect they will, hammer the ever living shit out of Belichick, and then move on. Its gonna be awesome to listen to.
 

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QUOTE (JayMags71 @ Dec 7 2009, 10:19 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2718299
Last week they were "basking" in it, and they deserved it. If they keep talking with the same tone, they run the risk of "wallowing" in it, and becoming tedious.



Well, I for one want to hear it. Like Mike and the Mad dog used to be, they are most listenable after a HUGE home team loss because they tell it like it is. Should be great radio today.