Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time

Dummy Hoy

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I fail to understand why Tony's opinion on virtually anything holds any weight. You really think he could identify a good safety?
 

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I fail to understand why Tony's opinion on virtually anything holds any weight. You really think he could identify a good safety?
Does it hold any weight anymore though?  He's a joke on the show and is openly mocked by Felger and Beetle on a regular basis.  Plus, I don't think he even gives a shit, he gets paid well to do bad impressions of callers (which can be funny), say you're right Mike, or stir the pot with callers and get them foaming at the mouth like some of the posters here.
 
He sucks now but is on the #1 afternoon show in Boston or something like that and honestly, if Mazz calling McCourty a "solid safetly" gets you as spitting mad as Mike from Attleboro then you might need to relax and listen to Dale and Holley and Thorton.
 

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The better thing to make fun of was the caller who said McCourty stinks.
Well that guy did have numbers on his side. McCourty only has 7 tackles all year which is obviously the best way to judge a free safety.
 

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Mazz: "McCourty is a solid safety"
 
If you mean best free safety in football, then yes he's solid.
 

Preaseason around the Mankins trade, the possibility that they would use some of his money to extend guys like McCourty came up. Mazz proceeded to say that McCourty was average and to pull up a stats site (perhaps PFF) they rely upon often to criticize the players, thinking it would support his argument. Said site ranked McCourtey the #1 safety in football. Mazz proceeded to act like the stats were meaningless despite trying to use it to support his argument before actually reading it.
 

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Quiddity said:
 
Preaseason around the Mankins trade, the possibility that they would use some of his money to extend guys like McCourty came up. Mazz proceeded to say that McCourty was average and to pull up a stats site (perhaps PFF) they rely upon often to criticize the players, thinking it would support his argument. Said site ranked McCourtey the #1 safety in football. Mazz proceeded to act like the stats were meaningless despite trying to use it to support his argument before actually reading it.
 
 
Just a perfect example.
 

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Let's see...
 
Tomato Cans - Broncos are frauds
Pats passing D is AWFUL AWFUL
Pats ran up the score
Bye could not come at a worse time
If they don't beat Indy, this win doesn't matter at all
Denver has an easy schedule and will host the AFC Championship Game
Arizona is the best team in the NFL
 

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riboflav said:
Let's see...
 
Tomato Cans - Broncos are frauds
Pats passing D is AWFUL AWFUL
Pats ran up the score
Bye could not come at a worse time
If they don't beat Indy, this win doesn't matter at all
Denver has an easy schedule and will host the AFC Championship Game
Arizona is the best team in the NFL
Who cares about wins in November, they can't win in January
 

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Their comrade, CHB, thinks the game is a pretty big deal. So I think they will be tempered and go something like this:

Broncos are bullies who like to fight in front of their own house. Get them on the road, especially in Fox, punch them on the mouth, and their flaws emerge. So this is potentially a big win -- IF, and probably only if, they can capture HFA. And then you better hope the Ravens don't come to town first.
 

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Yeah they won't be negative after this win, Felger certainly isn't on CSNE now. I think they are pretty much frauds, though Felger is at least an entertaining fraud, but if they complained about this win they would just look dumb.
They will be positive tomorrow and then later in the week they will become the more expected nattering nabobs of negativity.
 

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HomeBrew1901 said:
Woah, this is how you all celebrate a big win?
 
I think people here are talented enough to simultanoeusly run naked through the streets drinking celebratory beer AND dump on the morons who pass themselves off as experts yet generally pollute sports we like by distributing opinions based on not-facts to tens of thousands of listeners. More specifically, although it requires a tremendous amount of personal discipline, it *is* posible to say "Way to go Patriots!!!!" AND "Miserotti is a dumbschmuck" in consecutive sentences.
 

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Woah, this is how you all celebrate a big win?
And this is how you celebrate one? You're as predictable and tired as the people who complain about F+M. Everyone's got a role to play, though.
 

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And this is how you celebrate one? You're as predictable and tired as the people who complain about F+M. Everyone's got a role to play, though.
I find it funny that less than 5 minutes after one of the bigger wins for the Patriots outside of the playoffs, that people run here with what they think F&M will say, when usually, F&M are generally upbeat after a smack down like this.  Yes they will mention the 400 yards as a concern, but that's a legitimate question mark, that's not to say that the defense played poorly, but it deserves to be mentioned. 
 
It's funny because it's comments like those above that make this show #1 in the timeslot, for better or worse people are listening and no one is running to the Holley thread commenting on what he's going to say.
 

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Peyton is half way to 400 yards when he rolls out of bed in the morning.  So if it's mentioned, 21 points deserves equal billing.
 
More relevant is the gutting of a Denver defense touted as new and improved.
 
And if you are looking for something new, how about sacking Peyton on a three-man rush with a guy up the middle?
 

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Well good.  And they are absolutely right about winning on the road -- either now (at Indy/GB/SD) or at Denver in the playoffs.
 

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Beetle with the results of one game isn't determinative on roster construction approaches pursued by the Pats and Broncos. Somehow I don't believe if the Pats had lost, this point would be being made today. Click...
 

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Sure, Beetle joining in to do Felger's work for him isn't something I care for.
 
BTW, Holley is wretched today: in the studio, but mentally still on vacation.
 

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I mean, I get annoyed with the "all negative, all the time" approach as much as anyone, but the butthurt reactions to them are a little strange sometimes.
 

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Harry Hooper said:
Beetle with the results of one game isn't determinative on roster construction approaches pursued by the Pats and Broncos. Somehow I don't believe if the Pats had lost, this point would be being made today. Click...
 
Last Friday Felger was saying that this game would be a referendum for the Pats' roster building approach vs. the Broncos'. Funny, I don't think that subject will come up much now that the Pats have won. To his credit, I think both he and Mazz were positive regarding the Pats' chances going into this game.
 
Beetle really disappoints me. Felger & Mazz have been reasonable after this win. Beetle doesn't want people using this one win to raise the Pat's chances of winning it all, yet used the Kansas City loss to definitely declare that the Patriot's window to win a championship has closed. He's done nothing but double down on that since then despite win after win.
 
 

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Quiddity said:
 
Last Friday Felger was saying that this game would be a referendum for the Pats' roster building approach vs. the Broncos'. Funny, I don't think that subject will come up much now that the Pats have won. To his credit, I think both he and Mazz were positive regarding the Pats' chances going into this game.
 
 
To be entirely fair, thinking one head to head battle validates one approach over the other is a dangerous way to go about this argument.  But, FWIW, right before the 3:00 hour, Felger & Mazz both said that if we're playing by those rules, the Patriots' approach wins so far.
 

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Since Denver has had Manning they are 1-3 vs. the Pats and 2-2 in the playoffs. The Pats are an identical 2-2 in the playoffs. Until either team wins a title I don't think you can argue that one team has had a better approach.
 

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Felger is an idiot when it comes to the Red Sox.  He says they have no plan because they are going to spend money on free agents this offseason when they didn't the previous offseason.  Doesn't he realize how much money is off the books this offseason compared to last year?  He is criticizing them for not signing Ellsbury, yet going after Sandoval. 
 

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I wonder if Felger caught "Rand University" on ESPN last night and if so, does he regret all the shit he's given Moss over the years?
 
Probably not because he's a complete and utter shithead.
 

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Paul Perillo is freaking horrible.
Not really.  He's right in what he said about the offense.  The defense has improved this year and looks better but statistically it is in line with what it was last year.  They have gotten off the field on 3rd down and have turned the ball over with success.  It's not a coincidence that the combo of Brady being Brady and healthy Gronk has suddenly turned this team into a Super Bowl contender. 
 

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Of course, but to say that the Patriots wouldn't miss a beat if they didn't have Brandon Browner is insane.
 
edit: God, he just said "I've never been overly concerned with interceptions."
 

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RedOctober3829 said:
Felger is an idiot when it comes to the Red Sox.  He says they have no plan because they are going to spend money on free agents this offseason when they didn't the previous offseason.  Doesn't he realize how much money is off the books this offseason compared to last year?  He is criticizing them for not signing Ellsbury, yet going after Sandoval. 
 
It really bothered me his rants about this. 
 
"How can the Red Sox go to 6/120 on Sandoval if they won't even sit down and discuss 7/153 with Ellsbury?"
 
Really? Adding on $33M to a contract doesn't make a difference? Or the fact Panda is 3 years younger? Idiots.
 
They also refused to talk about who the Red Sox 3B is if they don't sign Panda (probably because they have no idea who is actually a FA)
 

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My biggest issue has been that because they were not aggressive last offseason signing FAs, but are now signaling they will be, that there is no organizational philosophy in place. That in itself is a good talk radio discussion point, but you have to also mention the amount of committed money the team is carrying is significantly lower than last offseason. I know they both are aware of this, but they are intentionally ignoring it. 
 

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My biggest issue has been that because they were not aggressive last offseason signing FAs, but are now signaling they will be, that there is no organizational philosophy in place. That in itself is a good talk radio discussion point, but you have to also mention the amount of committed money the team is carrying is significantly lower than last offseason. I know they both are aware of this, but they are intentionally ignoring it. 
 
The "organizational philosophy" is not to sign players they don't like (performance-wise), simply because they are the best available FAs in a given year.
 

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The "organizational philosophy" is not to sign players they don't like (performance-wise), simply because they are the best available FAs in a given year.
 
I should be more clear: The bold is not my take, but what they have been saying this week.
 

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The funny thing is that is we weren't in on Panda/Hanley/Lester the conversation would be:
 
"It's only money! We stunk last year and these cheap bastards only care about their bottom line and not on getting wins. They aren't even in on the biggest 3B in the league when that's a huge need for them. Now we are going into the season with WILL MIDDLEBROOKS at 3B because Henry and company won't spend money"
 

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Vinho Tinto said:
My biggest issue has been that because they were not aggressive last offseason signing FAs, but are now signaling they will be, that there is no organizational philosophy in place. That in itself is a good talk radio discussion point, but you have to also mention the amount of committed money the team is carrying is significantly lower than last offseason. I know they both are aware of this, but they are intentionally ignoring it. 
 
My biggest issue is they are positioning it to be terrible no matter what they do.  If they don't spend money they are cheap.  If they do they didn't learn anything from Adrian Gonzalez/Carl Crawford, and they are panicking, and they are doing it for the ratings.  It's proof the whole show it a troll act designed for ratings.  They get good ratings.  Partly because a lot of people eat up the negativity, and part because EEI is run by monkeys. 
 

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I just caught this show for the first time in a year for fifteen seconds, they were talking about Rask, and I think I'm bleeding out my ears.
 

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Could only listen to a little bit of the show yesterday, but the little sliver that I heard featured Mazz freaking out about the Vegas line for Patriots-Colts on Sunday.  Anyone know if he went on that trolling escapade for a while?