Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time

[mcpickl]

Comparing across eras is stupid for many reasons, but if you are going to compare Belichick and Shula you might want to at least mention the whole free agency thing.
 
At any rate Shula was a great coach so I don't see the issue.  Of course F&M are making this comparison because of the fact that Shula never won a Super Bowl again after '73 and in their simple minds nothing else matters.  But it is really fucking hard to win Super Bowls.  Belichick has three of them, plus has basically fielded a Super Bowl contending team for 14 years in a league designed to not let that happen, I think he's done OK.  Both are probably Top 10 coaches of all time, if not Top 5.  I don't see the point.  Felger can eat a bowl of dicks.

This is just mega-trolling by Felger. He's said many times, I remember for a full day this summer after Bruins lost to Chicago, that if your team in any sport makes it to the final four left standing that's all you can ask of them. You just have to hope that the breaks go your way at that point, because it's such a thin difference between winning and losing.
 
Until of course Bill Belichicks' Patriots get there, yet again,  and it's ehhhhhh they haven't won the whole thing in nine years. Troll away Felger, and certainly agree Tony.

 

[Youkilis vs Wild]

Actually, Felger said a couple of times today that this Patriots team has made it to the point he'd expect, and that a loss on Sunday wouldn't diminish a very good season.
 
I don't think he's outside his rights to point out that Belichick got three a decade ago and has had a long run since getting the last. I also don't think he was saying it was analogous to Shula, just comparable.

 

[ForKeeps]

Tom Landry is overrated and Belichick is disappointing because they lost multiple Super Bowls. Gotta love this classic logic that rewards you for NOT making the Super Bowl and punishes you for coming within a few plays of actually winning it.

 

[smastroyin]

Analogous doesn't mean the same.
 
The truth is, as annoying as I find these guys sometimes, Mike Felger knows one thing.  It is easy to make his audience feel butthurt and he gets listens when he does it.

 

[Youkilis vs Wild]

Analogous doesn't mean the same.

 
And that's why I usually don't post after drinks.
 
But aside from the poor word choice I maintain the point. Felger (who I criticize often) also made a point of saying that a loss doesn't make him Shula's equivalent. He was making a comparison, saying it could have a similar feel. On a day where they said from the outset that it would be a day to talk about Belichick, it seems like a valid avenue for discussion.

 

[Buffalo Head]

The Jerry Thornton fascination totally confounds me.

 

[Kramerica Industries]

The Jerry Thornton fascination totally confounds me.

 
me too. I dont get it. He ruins the post game show on CSNNE after the Pats games too.

 

[PC Drunken Friar]

Every time I hear him on, I turn the station. It baffles me too, especially how/why felger fake belly laughs at all his jokes

 

[ForKeeps]

They're not fake, sadly.

 

[Sparky Lyle]

The Jerry Thornton fascination totally confounds me.

 
 
Me too.  Does that guy suck.  Total fratboy douche bag who knows nothing.  At all.

 

[steveluck7]

 
 
...Total fratboy...

Yeah, Lambda Lambda Lambda

 

[Buffalo Head]

 

[Mystic Merlin]

I'm still not clear on how that comparison (presumably '74-'84 Shula) reflects poorly on BB.  I mean, I detect all the trappings of a SICK BURN and a glimmer of a HOT SPORTS TAKE, but I don't think it illustrates quite what Felger wants it to at this point in time.

 

[Buffalo Head]

No one ever said it did reflect poorly on Bill Belichick, except for some people here who get so very easily butthurt at any suggestion of anything remotely non-BB ball-washing.

 

[Mystic Merlin]

But, seriously, if someone calls BB Jeff Fisher or Sam Wyche, I'm not going to be happy.

 

[riboflav]

FTR, I'm not insulted that BB is compared to the Hall of Famer, Don Shula. I just think it's a lazy argument (and not worth our time) considering everything that's been pointed out already, esp. by SJH.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

You can make a legit Shula-BB compo when BB goes 6-10 with Brady as his QB, like Shula did with Marino.

There's no question that Felger means the comparison to be a negative reflection on Belechick.

EDIT: I AM CRANKY THIS MORNING

 

[Buffalo Head]

There's no question that Felger means the comparison to be a negative reflection on Belechick.

EDIT: I AM CRANKY THIS MORNING

I'm guessing you didn't actually hear it.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

I SAID I WAS CRANKY

That's fair. Let's see what they say today; I am curious how they spin things.

 

[soxfan121]

Due to the Bruins game, only 1/2 hour of F&M available on TSH (98.5). F&M will stay on the air at TSH HD2 and online but the game will preempt the over-air broadcast today.

 

[Buffalo Head]

The CSNNE simulcast will be on as normal.

 

[timlinin8th]

Due to the Bruins game, only 1/2 hour of F&M available on TSH (98.5). F&M will stay on the air at TSH HD2 and online but the game will preempt the over-air broadcast today.

If Felger does a rational show without Hot Sports Takes and no one is there to hear it, does it really happen?

 

[Buffalo Head]

I hope Beelte doesn't electrocute himself with all his crying today.

 

[kenneycb]

Something tells me you do.

 

[bankshot1]

I was just listening to F&M, and they cut to Bruins, is there a on-line link to the CSNNE, or is it just available on cable?

 

[Senator Donut]

I was just listening to F&M, and they cut to Bruins, is there a on-line link to the CSNNE, or is it just available on cable?


The audio is streaming online if that's what you mean. It's available on the 98.5 HD2 stream. (That's WBCN if you're using Tunein or Radio.com)

 

[bankshot1]

thanks

 

[ForKeeps]

"Manning owned you yesterday. Own up to it."
 
Who is denying this?

 

[Mystic Merlin]

The straw men hanging out in the break room, right next to the Randy Moss fathead.

 

[Buffalo Head]

Why does Mazz feel it necessary to say "and I'll tell you why" before every point he makes? Mazz, you're a radio talk show host, it's pretty much assumed you're going to tell us why.

 

[mabrowndog]

Why does Mazz feel it necessary to say "and I'll tell you why" before every point he makes? Mazz, you're a radio talk show host, it's pretty much assumed you're going to tell us why.

 
Bill Clinton did the exact same thing in every single presidential debate.

 

[Haunted]

Why does Mazz feel it necessary to say "and I'll tell you why" before every point he makes? Mazz, you're a radio talk show host, it's pretty much assumed you're going to tell us why.

Or start every one of his awful commercials with "If you like <product>, listen up."

 

[NortheasternPJ]

OK who from SOSH just called up and trolled Mazz?

 

[smastroyin]

I don't know, but I'm guessing in 9 years or so, Mazz 's hof ballot will be teixeira ten times over

 

[NickEsasky]

I actually had it on last night on the way to the gym as the dial was set to 98.5 from the morning commute. Mazz actually said Napoli numbers is a worst case scenario for Teixeira next year. Worst case? For a guy coming off a serious wrist injury who isn't in his prime? Napoli numbers are certainly probably, but no way in hell are they a worst case. 

 

[Buffalo Head]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Teixeira put up solid numbers this season. He's the same age as Bautista coming off the same injury. Granted, he's on my fantasy team, so I am horribly biased.

 

[steveluck7]

Mazz proved just how much he was trolling last night, not sure if anyone caught it but after saying that right now the Yankees are better than the Sox he went into how in the long-term these contracts probably aren't wise but in year one they're likely to be very good for the yankees. that led to this exchange:
Felger: One year deal, would you sign these guys?  Ellsbury for one year?
Mazz: At what number?
Felger: What he's getting now ~22
Mazz: Ummm... no, I've said all along he's not a $20 mil / yr player
Felger: (holding in laughter) Tanaka?
Mazz: probably not
 
That was followed by him saying just because he thinks the Yankees are better, that doesn't mean the Red Sox will suck. Of course then he said he's not even sure if the Yankees are a playoff team.
The obvious question followed "who the hell is going to make the playoffs?"
Tampa
I think Felger then just gave up and went to break

 

[John Marzano Olympic Hero]

I think Felger then just gave up and went to break
 

 
He did and it was funny.
 
But Mazz was infuriating because he never addressed the fact that the Yankees best player left and now they have two gaping holes at second and third. And he didn't really address the Yankees' bullpen issues. He just said that they're going to be better than the Red Sox just because.
 
And I have no problem with anyone saying that New York will be better than Boston, there are a million reasons why, but Mazz' logic is screwed up and he's so arrogant and pig-headed in his beliefs that it's no fun to listen to him bullshit.
 
"Teixeira, Mike, Teixeira!"

 

[Corsi]

Why the hell does Mazz continue to have this massive hard-on for Tampa?  I understand they're a quality team with terrific management, but the way he genuflects to them is bordering on comical.  Last season, for about four months, he constantly was running with the "here comes Tampa" line of thinking and it just never happened.  You think he'd learn by now.

 

[NickEsasky]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Teixeira put up solid numbers this season. He's the same age as Bautista coming off the same injury. Granted, he's on my fantasy team, so I am horribly biased.

Right it wouldn't be surprising if he does. But saying a solid season is his worst case scenario is just stupid. He is going into his age 34 season and coming off an injury that almost got Ortiz to retire a few years ago. He could completely fall off a cliff if his power is gone as his contact and OB numbers have been trending down for years. 

 

[Dummy Hoy]

I also don't understand why no one addressed the gaping black hole at Short for the Yankees. They either mix an old, broken down Jeter with a Brendan Ryan or sign an actual SS like Drew and deal with a disgruntled Captain in that locker room.

 

[redsahx]

 
And I have no problem with anyone saying that New York will be better than Boston, there are a million reasons why, but Mazz' logic is screwed up and he's so arrogant and pig-headed in his beliefs that it's no fun to listen to him bullshit.
 
"Teixeira, Mike, Teixeira!"

I also don't care for listening to Mazz jump on the bandwagon of any team that "does something" in the offseason. I wouldn't ever want the Red Sox or Patriots front offices taking the short-sited view the show is always pushing. I know they need to generate discussion, but pretending the grass is always greener with other franchises doesn't do it for me. I had to turn them off this week when Mazz got into his whole "Patriots care more about wins per dollar than SuperBowls" rant again.

 

[Buffalo Head]

I also don't care for listening to Mazz jump on the bandwagon of any team that "does something" in the offseason. I wouldn't ever want the Red Sox or Patriots front offices taking the short-sited view the show is always pushing. I know they need to generate discussion, but pretending the grass is always greener with other franchises doesn't do it for me. I had to turn them off this week when Mazz got into his whole "Patriots care more about wins per dollar than SuperBowls" rant again.

Mazz wasn't pushing a short-sighted view. He agrees they were all bad moves overall, but at least for 2014, they should see positive results. I don't think he's wrong about that. Whether the Red Sox are going to backslide enough to be overtaken is more of the issue.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Robert Kraft is on with F&M now.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Felger is bashing Troy Aikman for not taking Manning to task.

 

[ifmanis5]

Loved when Aikman & Buck we're all, "the punter for Denver need to suit up for the second half, he'll only be used if the Broncos are pinned." Smash cut to 5 minutes later when Denver punted from mid-field and Aikman was all "that's a smart move!"

 

[Quiddity]

Felger is usually making things up in my view when he talks about how the local media is in the tank for the Pats (its the exact opposite), but he was completely on when it came to that horrible Aikman comment about how the game doesn't impact Manning's legacy in any way.  Aikman's made similar comments in the past making him appear to be completely sucking up to the teams being covered (not just Manning). I knew the second he said that it would be a major talking point on today's show.
 
Still, today's program was filled with a lot of the usual made up nonsense they love to throw out there, such as Belichick simply got lucky with Brady, he won due to Parcell's players, the Patriots have only been successful because the AFC East sucks, etc...

 

[Harry Hooper]

 
 
Still, today's program was filled with a lot of the usual made up nonsense they love to throw out there, such as Belichick simply got lucky with Brady, he won due to Parcell's players, the Patriots have only been successful because the AFC East sucks, etc...

 
etc.indeed            Yeah, you left out "The cap isn't real in the NFL."

 

[southshoresoxfan]

Here we go again.  "Bill should have changed his D pilhopsphy 5-6 years ago, he's behind the 8 ball"
 
Last 6 years they have been to two superbowls and could have won both, as well as multiple AFC title games.  
 
FWIW Bill was drafting CBs, they just haven't panned out.  They hammer the Pats for not spending, but don't mention that they have Mankins, Brady, Gronk, Wilfork, etc under big deals right now.  These two drive me insane with this "Pats don't spend" mantra. Its getting old.  

 

[lexrageorge]

Here we go again.  "Bill should have changed his D pilhopsphy 5-6 years ago, he's behind the 8 ball"
 
Last 6 years they have been to two superbowls and could have won both, as well as multiple AFC title games.  
 
FWIW Bill was drafting CBs, they just haven't panned out.  They hammer the Pats for not spending, but don't mention that they have Mankins, Brady, Gronk, Wilfork, etc under big deals right now.  These two drive me insane with this "Pats don't spend" mantra. Its getting old.  

Can someone remind them that the Pats spend right up to the cap most years?