I don’t despise Mac like you do BUT i still want him gone. If we gave BOB truth serum, he probably would say he wanted to hire his own offensive staff, instead, he got what BB gave him. He also would probably say that this was a bottom 5 offensive skill group and the worse pass blocking line in the NFL. Mac did himself no favors, and maybe a league average QB makes them 22nd in points scored instead of last but the 2023 team blew on offense and it wasn’t all the quarterbacks fault.
Exactly. If BB's culture made greats out of unknown/unheralded players and an unprecedented run of success, then his culture would also be responsible for the team not being able to develop players and falling into the basement of the AFC East. BB fucked up a lot of things to take himself from God status to "mutually agreeing to part ways" status, to then being passed over for a job in favor of Raheem Morris. That's a precipitous decline.
Constantly shifting OCs usually doesn't benefit a QB, especially a young one. The post-Parcells revolving door at OC probably didn't help Bledsoe's development.
Ron famously picked a fight with Pete at one of the pregame or postgame press conferences in front of all of the other reporters and cameras because he hated the man so much. Of course he hated Bill too, but he didn't try that shit with him really (and it wouldn't have worked anyway).
Lol at this...I wonder what else happened that led to that decline. Totally had nothing to do with not having a QB.
Jesus. Was just trying to catch up tonight and was like damn there’s nothing like replacing the pats approach with the packers approach and then you saved me. What a shitshow we are in for going forward… unless the qb is great and even then that can be screwed.
He was trying to be a good teammate here…
Reads the press clippings. Would not play for.
Well, good news then, the old approach was also kind of a shit show when the QB wasn't great! Just like pretty much every approach ever in league history.
This 1000%. Can you imagine the outcry here if Wolf had a press conference and said "we're going to keep doing everything that Bill did exactly the same way that he did it, notwithstanding the last few years of suck." Some things absolutely need to evolve, not just the QB position. That doesn't mean that Bill's entire philosophy goes in the trash.
See the part about not being able to develop players. Not sure what your quibble is. BB gets credit for creating a culture that developed unheralded players into stars or vital contributors, see Brady, Edelman, Koppen, Samuel, Onwenu, Mason, etc. When the players stop developing suddenly BB's culture not part of the equation?
Not every player can be developed. Mac, N’Keal Harry, etc. Drafting was probably the biggest problem, along with Mac busting. The first one was on BB for sure; the second is almost entirely on Mac Jones.
They had a plan in place, they executed the plan, unfortunately the QB failed and sank the ship.
I'm not defending Mac Jones here, he sucks and much of it falls it his feet, but who wouldn't have been a bust with the OL and weapons the Pats trotted out the last two seasons?
Posting this a hundred times doesn’t make it any more true. It wasn’t just the QB(‘s).
The OL would have been perfectly mediocre if they stayed healthy. That didn't happen.
I am 99% sure we are in lock step here.
A lot of QBs? I mean, Mac's only success in the league came as a rookie when they had an excellent O-line and spent a ton on weapons for him. Go look up articles after that year, everyone was talking about how great a job the Patriots were doing developing him and how the other teams (Jets, Jags, Bears etc.) didn't and how it was a blueprint for how a smart organization helps a young QB.
Zappe at least showed a pulse in a few games at the end. Mac didn't even have that.
He did look a lot more exciting as he was throwing the ball to the guys in the wrong uniform. I guess style POINTZ or something.
He also threw 3 TDS to beat PIT and 2 more to win a game in Denver where the Pats have traditionally never won. He also (and this to me was a big point) clawed his way back after a HORRENDOUS start against Buffalo to make it a game and give the Pats a chance to win, which Mac never did.
Except for that time earlier in the year when he did just that...?
And then what happened?
It’s possible Mac is still on the roster post-draft unfortunately. I’m not sure they’d deal him until everything shakes out
SJH is excited because in this scenario Mac Jones is the Marvin character in the back seat.
Ahhh, remember that glorious week when so many people here were ADAMANT that Jonathan Kraft was not only the dastardly guy who was shivving Bill, but that he'd also be inserting himself as GM once Bill was gone.
I'm not sure it's who's in charge that's the issue. Jonathan, Glaser, whomever was never going to be involved in mid and bottom of the roster decisions. It's whether they can maintain the complete separation of church and state that they had with Bill during the vast majority of his tenure, up to and including the major, franchise altering decisions. That still remains to be seen. From the Dynasty doc, it seems like even during the Bledsoe/Brady drama the Krafts really strained themselves to stay out of it. If Mayo and Wolf can't deliver results, they will start to feel the same pull.
definitely true, but you usually bring in the new GM right away so he can plan for a bunch of stuff make key decisions. Letting Wolf draft this draft, hire the coaches, spend a ton in FA then let him walk would be very unusual.
