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Is there going to be an official announcement? I thought this "reading the tea leaves and media reports to figure out people's roles" stuff was over once BB departed.
 

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Is there going to be an official announcement? I thought this "reading the tea leaves and media reports to figure out people's roles" stuff was over once BB departed.
Some habits are hard to break!

I think it would benefit the Krafts, honestly, to name him GM or whatever the right title is. Makes accountability easier to explain to the fans.
 

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Is there going to be an official announcement? I thought this "reading the tea leaves and media reports to figure out people's roles" stuff was over once BB departed.
There’ve been some comments recently (Bedard?) that every team had to designate some kind of “primary executive “ (I think was the term) to the league regardless of their actual title (GM, Pres, etc).

This may be that designation leaking ahead of any official title change? I believe it had to specifically do with 53-man roster control so that wording is what made me think of it.
 

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There’ve been some comments recently (Bedard?) that every team had to designate some kind of “primary executive “ (I think was the term) to the league regardless of their actual title (GM, Pres, etc).

This may be that designation leaking ahead of any official title change? I believe it had to specifically do with 53-man roster control so that wording is what made me think of it.
That makes sense. Can't have ambiguity on finalizing deals. Someone needs to be official signoff.
 

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Some habits are hard to break!

I think it would benefit the Krafts, honestly, to name him GM or whatever the right title is. Makes accountability easier to explain to the fans.
I say this without snark. On this front, a big F.U. to the fans. All naming a particular guy with a title does is create an environment where fans: A) assume they know what the role of that position is; and 2) assume they can do it better. Let the off-season couch-potato football cogniscenti stew in their own juices. If the team wins, great. If they suck, hurl all the rocks and garbage you want.
 

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I say this without snark. On this front, a big F.U. to the fans. All naming a particular guy with a title does is create an environment where fans: A) assume they know what the role of that position is; and 2) assume they can do it better. Let the off-season couch-potato football cogniscenti stew in their own juices. If the team wins, great. If they suck, hurl all the rocks and garbage you want.
I was thinking more "the Krafts have a fall guy if it all goes to shit". It's in their own self interest. Not necessarily meaningful otherwise.
 

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I think I saw somewhere that naming an official GM subjects a team to the Rooney Rule. Don’t hold your breath looking for a formal announcement and/or GM title from the Krafts…

Found this: https://operations.nfl.com/inside-football-ops/inclusion/the-rooney-rule/#:~:text=Strengthening the Rooney Rule&text=Clubs must conduct an in,women for all coordinator positions.
Maybe they conduct some "interviews" after the draft and name him. If the Rooney rule meant anything it would be tied to functions not job title.
 

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Pellegrino is coming back, and remaining as CB coach.

There's an interesting dynamic here, where the defensive staff has holdovers in key jobs (Covington, little BB, Pellegrino), people Mayo worked with, while the offensive staff is full of Eliot Wolf guys.
 

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Pellegrino is coming back, and remaining as CB coach.

There's an interesting dynamic here, where the defensive staff has holdovers in key jobs (Covington, little BB, Pellegrino), people Mayo worked with, while the offensive staff is full of Eliot Wolf guys.
Not sure it's all Wolf guys, I guess you could argue AVP is a Wolf guy by virtue of overlapping for a couple years back in GB (Wolf was out in CLE before AVP and most of the rest got there, they came in with Stefanski) and therefore so are the rest, but really most have more direct ties through AVP and/or Pat Stewart.
 

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Not sure it's all Wolf guys, I guess you could argue AVP is a Wolf guy by virtue of overlapping for a couple years back in GB (Wolf was out in CLE before AVP and most of the rest got there, they came in with Stefanski) and therefore so are the rest, but really most have more direct ties through AVP and/or Pat Stewart.
We're Packers East on offense.
 

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I don't know Daniel Jeremiah -- or really any "draft analyst," -- but here's what he says about Wolf and drafting.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/02/23/sports/bill-belichick-espn-steve-belichick/

NFL Media draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah, who worked with Patriots de facto general manager Eliot Wolf as a scout, anticipates some changes in the way the team approaches scouting and drafting with Wolf at the controls.

On a conference call Thursday, Jeremiah referenced Wolf’s time in Green Bay as an indicator of how things might be different.

“The Patriots were maybe one of the more niche drafting teams in the league, where they would catch you off-guard a little bit, because [they were] so obsessed with fit that they might take a guy two or three rounds before anybody else in the league would take them, and they don’t really care because they’re just winning trophies every year,” Jeremiah said. “They could be a little bit outside the lines, a little outside the norm with some of the stuff. I don’t think Eliot will do that.”

Jeremiah referenced the way Wolf’s father, Hall of Fame executive Ron Wolf, shaped rosters with the Packers, and indicated that experience could figure heavily into how New England’s roster is constructed.

“I think you look at the Green Bay history and some of the track record there,” he said. “You look at offensive linemen that are versatile. You look at wide receivers who have kick-return backgrounds that are really, really good after the catch. Those are some of the traits that just jump out to me from the Packers and the way they’ve done things forever and how he would have been trained up just from his dad. I think those will be a couple of the changes.”
 

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Yeah, the culture was shit, the team quit on the last guy and there was totally not an entire phrase created because of how successful the culture was.
 

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Yeah, certainly they never did that under the previous regime.

Not super impressed by this, honestly. I'm getting strong Poodle Pete vibes. Hopefully I'm wrong about that, we'll see.
Yes. I kind of know what he's getting at, but that was very poor phrasing, IMO.

So you're not planning on tanking and maybe compete for the playoffs next season?
 

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Yeah, the culture was shit, the team quit on the last guy and there was totally not an entire phrase created because of how successful the culture was.
Through the whole of the horrible 2023 season, the defense played it collective asses off. The team stunk, but goddammit they did not quit in spite of getting the worst QB play any of us have seen in our lifetimes.

For Wolf to take that and say "gee we're gonna get away from the hard-ass culture" is drawing the wrong conclusion. Maybe it's just presser pablum, but I'm not super impressed with that.
 

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Yes. I kind of know what he's getting at, but that was very poor phrasing, IMO.

So you're not planning on tanking and maybe compete for the playoffs next season?
It was a stupid thing to say, frankly. The goal is to win Super Bowls. No one expects them to win one next year, but that's the entire point. And Wolf keeps pointing to the GB model....they've won 2 Super Bowls but got 20 years of HoF level QB play along the way and there's a serious argument to be made that the Packers are perennial disappointments.

I dunno. We'll see.
 

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It was a stupid thing to say, frankly. The goal is to win Super Bowls. No one expects them to win one next year, but that's the entire point. And Wolf keeps pointing to the GB model....they've won 2 Super Bowls but got 20 years of HoF level QB play along the way and there's a serious argument to be made that the Packers are perennial disappointments.

I dunno. We'll see.
Stupid and very tone deaf.
 

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Pretty strident by Wolf, not even bothering to rhetorically smooth over the nature of the transition. ‘Bill broke it and we need to fix it’ is a brave tone to take.
 

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Yeah, certainly they never did that under the previous regime.

Not super impressed by this, honestly. I'm getting strong Poodle Pete vibes. Hopefully I'm wrong about that, we'll see.
Shouldn't we make the distinction between the culture that Wolf presides over (Front Office) vs. the culture that Mayo oversees (the locker room/on-field)? I would have loved a follow-up question about the upper leadership culture having a "hard-ass vibe" vs. how the players were coached.
 

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Shouldn't we make the distinction between the culture that Wolf presides over (Front Office) vs. the culture that Mayo oversees (the locker room/on-field)? I would have loved a follow-up question about the upper leadership culture having a "hard-ass vibe" vs. how the players were coached.
The entire point of the "hard-ass" culture was accountability. DO YOUR JOB was both a slogan and an ethos. Be accountable to the coaches and your teammates.

For the new GM to say "Eh, we're getting away from that" isn't, IMO, a great sign. Maybe it's nothing. Maybe it's something. I wish he hadn't said it.
 

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Shouldn't we make the distinction between the culture that Wolf presides over (Front Office) vs. the culture that Mayo oversees (the locker room/on-field)? I would have loved a follow-up question about the upper leadership culture having a "hard-ass vibe" vs. how the players were coached.
Thats how I took his comments...in conjunction with the "collaborative" description of the draft. I dont think he gives a shit how "hard-ass" Mayo is with players.
 

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The entire point of the "hard-ass" culture was accountability. DO YOUR JOB was both a slogan and an ethos. Be accountable to the coaches and your teammates.

For the new GM to say "Eh, we're getting away from that" isn't, IMO, a great sign. Maybe it's nothing. Maybe it's something. I wish he hadn't said it.
I think there's a way of holding people accountable without being a dick. It might be a positive step forward for the organization to try doing it a different way.
 

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I think there's a way of holding people accountable without being a dick. It might be a positive step forward for the organization to try doing it a different way.
Who says BB was being a dick by the way he did it? They have to be very careful here that they don't have people in the building who think that being held accountable in and of itself is being a dick.

Again, this may just be me. But this is playing out eerily similar to the Poodle Pete days, and no one wants a repeat there.
 

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I think there's a way of holding people accountable without being a dick. It might be a positive step forward for the organization to try doing it a different way.
Agreed. I think this is more Wolf knowing they’re going to end up with ~$101 million to spend so they’re sending messages to FA’s that it won’t be the same hardo culture in New England moving forward.
 
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Thats how I took his comments...in conjunction with the "collaborative" description of the draft. I dont think he gives a shit how "hard-ass" Mayo is with players.
100%. These are sort of puff piece press conferences. I highly doubt he would say something about how the team will or should be coached.

I think he is specifically talking about how the FO will operate. Wasn't there a decent amount of smoke that BB wasn't exactly collaborative with scouts and would sometime completely ignore other voices in the room?
 

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I think he is specifically talking about how the FO will operate. Wasn't there a decent amount of smoke that BB wasn't exactly collaborative with scouts and would sometime completely ignore other voices in the room?
Supposedly Bill ignored his scouting staff who had recommended Deebo Samuel and AJ Brown in 2019 and took the word of N’Keal Harry’s coach at ASU.
 

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Its encouraging to see fans giving the new gang a chance, especially when they are doing what all brand new regimes (across just about any type of organization)do which is to proclaim that everything is a clean slate.

Frankly I don't see any problem with Wolf's comments and if they ruffle any feathers, go to the results the last two seasons. The prior regime is on record as acknowledging that production is what matters. They didn't produce so no tears if they get dragged a little.
 

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What makes the comments odd to me is he was in the building last year. So saying turning the culture around and bringing back to respectability are odd ways to put things (if he was brand new they would make sense). I realize there’s sound bite pulling going on but some of the responses could’ve been phrased better. The collaborative approach and Green Bay way were interesting things to note.
 

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With the caveat of not being a professional athlete, or a person who knows fuck all about the actual inner workings of a successful sports franchise, I can't see being upset about any of these comments in drawing on the parallels that exist in the employer / employee relationships in other industries. Were I an employee of the New England Patriots, whether a scout, assistant position coach, player, etc., these comments feels like the modernization of the workforce in areas like communication, messaging, and equity. I think the answers Wolff gives here are aiming to paint that picture, and that is easier to convey juxtaposing it against the previous regime.

Specifically, the encouraging topic to me is around scouting. Scouts under Bill had a tough time based on his grading system and their body of work / results were often ignored, evidenced anecdotally in several different past draft selections. Shifting to making the assessment "easier" to classify or stack rank means everyone is working from the same data set and it unifies the scouting group providing equity. If you have good scouts, this is probably how you retain them.
 

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Its encouraging to see fans giving the new gang a chance, especially when they are doing what all brand new regimes (across just about any type of organization)do which is to proclaim that everything is a clean slate.

Frankly I don't see any problem with Wolf's comments and if they ruffle any feathers, go to the results the last two seasons. The prior regime is on record as acknowledging that production is what matters. They didn't produce so no tears if they get dragged a little.
They are replacing the most successful 20 year run in football history and certainly seem to be doubling down on the idea that it's all BB's fault.

So. They deserve scrutiny when they say "Well we're gonna be the kinder and gentler regime now." Because the hard-ass regime had wildly successful results. And they're now changing things that, once again, look like the Pete Carroll era.

Obviously words matter little. If they don't follow up on these words by pitching Mac out of an airlock ASAP, then they'll accomplish absolutely nothing. We'll see.

EDIT: they seem to be blaming BB for everything over the past few years, when Wolf and Mayo and the two Krafts were right there as well. The biggest reason the team is in the state it's in today is because the QB imploded horribly but not before giving us the worst play I've been blessed to see in my 52 years on this earth. IMO the change that needs to be made has nothing to do with being "hard-ass," (besides, the QB last year got more chances than he should have and sucked), it's getting a better QB into the building at once and giving him the starting job. All else follows from that.

It's not culture that was the problem. It's the fucking QB.
 
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I'm surprised by the board's reaction here and the intensity of it. I thought Wolf was refreshing, serious, smart and focused. Didn't take offense to what he was saying. Clearly the culture the last year or two hasn't been great. I've been reading that on this board for a while now. Happy to see where this leads, but so far it seemed to me like a step in the right direction.

Here's the patriots.com interview with him. Took place right before the press conference:

https://www.patriots.com/news/eliot-wolf-discusses-the-upcoming-offseason-with-patriots-com-at-the-nfl-combine
 

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They are replacing the most successful 20 year run in football history and certainly seem to be doubling down on the idea that it's all BB's fault.

So. They deserve scrutiny when they say "Well we're gonna be the kinder and gentler regime now." Because the hard-ass regime had wildly successful results. And they're now changing things that, once again, look like the Pete Carroll era.

Obviously words matter little. If they don't follow up on these words by pitching Mac out of an airlock ASAP, then they'll accomplish absolutely nothing. We'll see.

EDIT: they seem to be blaming BB for everything over the past few years, when Wolf and Mayo and the two Krafts were right there as well. The biggest reason the team is in the state it's in today is because the QB imploded horribly but not before giving us the worst play I've been blessed to see in my 52 years on this earth. IMO the change that needs to be made has nothing to do with being "hard-ass," (besides, the QB last year got more chances than he should have and sucked), it's getting a better QB into the building at once and giving him the starting job. All else follows from that.

It's not culture that was the problem. It's the fucking QB.
Well when you've convinced yourself that all the blame should have fallen on one guy, Mac in this case, then yes of course you're going to have an issue with anything the new regime says outside of "It was all the QB's fault."
 

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Well when you've convinced yourself that all the blame should have fallen on one guy, Mac in this case, then yes of course you're going to have an issue with anything the new regime says outside of "It was all the QB's fault."
The funny thing was that Mac got a lot of rope than I expected, given his shitty play and his pressers where he doubled down on the hero's journey narrative. So I would say they weren't hard-assed enough with him. I still can't believe they let him start the Giants game after that farce of a performance against Indy.

And it was all one guy's fault. That much is pretty clear. With decent QB play year they are a playoff team. Instead they got "seemingly never thrown a football before" style of play from Mac.

Wolf can saying whatever he wants, it doesn't really matter. But being a kindler, gentler organization will mean exactly nothing without a new QB. I assume Wolf knows that, but if he's convinced all Mac needs is a little back massage and some kind words, then this team will go nowhere once again.

The ONE thing I cannot stand is someone or a team peeing on my leg and telling me it's raining. I am pretty skeptical of the "bad ol' mean BB" narrative being alluded to in these recent pressers, even as I understand new people will have new methods.
 
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Does anyone seriously believe - AT ALL - that Eliot (or anyone else) would be "convinced all Mac needs is a little back massage and some kind words?" There is no chance on EARTH that is the case. Obviously the team needs a new QB. And they're going to get one. What am I missing here? Sarcasm?
 

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I see we're in the offseason over-parsing of commentary stage. "Turning the culture" around need not imply that the culture was broken under Belichick, and I don't believe Wolf was saying that.
 

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Does anyone seriously believe - AT ALL - that Eliot (or anyone else) would be "convinced all Mac needs is a little back massage and some kind words?" There is no chance on EARTH that is the case. Obviously the team needs a new QB. And they're going to get one. What am I missing here? Sarcasm?
Don't kid yourself: the narrative that BB ruined or didn't develop Mac properly is out there. It's on Twitter and it's been in articles. I shudder to think that someone actually in the building might believe that.

My biggest fear is that they fool themselves into picking MHJ at 3 and roll with Mac again. There's no point to picking a WR if they do not have a QB who can throw.