Maybe a bit amped up against his former team? Missing high and away usually means he was opening up that front shoulder too early and his arm was dragging through the zone.Darnell's Son said:Good observation on the release point. His release point on Pitchf/x shows that he was releasing at or above 6 feet when in his first two starts and he was at or below six feet last night. Hopefully it's something they notice and correct.
Have to wonder if there were some jitters involved with facing his previous (and first) organization last night.Darnell's Son said:Good observation on the release point. His release point on Pitchf/x shows that he was releasing at or above 6 feet when in his first two starts and he was at or below six feet last night. Hopefully it's something they notice and correct.
TimScribble said:@Shesta_Sox: Per @EliasSports, Eduardo Rodriguez is 1st in baseball history to go 6.0+ IP while allowing no more than 1 R or 3 H in each of 1st 3 games.
Exactly. The first two starts showed his upside, which is encouraging, of course, but something we all knew was there from his minor league stats, scouting, etc. What we didn't know was how he would do when he didn't have his good command, stuff, when hitters got a little bit of a book on him, when men were on base more often, when he had multiple tough innings. As the beginning of the season showed, limiting bad innings is just as important as getting 1-2-3s. If this is a bad EdRod start (and let's be honest, he's eventually going to throw an actual stinker, but let's call this a 30th percentile start or something), that makes an exceedingly good pitcher.RedOctober3829 said:I was actually more encouraged by last night's start than the previous 2 starts. Sure, he did not have his best stuff compared to his first 2 outings but he battled through every tough spot he had and still did not allow any runs. I'd argue that there were less than 5 balls put in play that were considered hard contact. He made pitches when he had to. The strikeouts of Young and Jones in the 5th with 2 guys on is an example of his toughness and willingness to challenge hitters with men on base. A player can learn so much more when they struggle then when everything is working and results are coming easy. Rodriguez is a stud.
O Captain! My Captain! said:Exactly. The first two starts showed his upside, which is encouraging, of course, but something we all knew was there from his minor league stats, scouting, etc. What we didn't know was how he would do when he didn't have his good command, stuff, when hitters got a little bit of a book on him, when men were on base more often, when he had multiple tough innings. As the beginning of the season showed, limiting bad innings is just as important as getting 1-2-3s. If this is a bad EdRod start (and let's be honest, he's eventually going to throw an actual stinker, but let's call this a 30th percentile start or something), that makes an exceedingly good pitcher.
That's a good point. Although it's also fair to say that the analysis they made on him turned out to be badly short of the mark.Saints Rest said:
And wouldn't the Orioles be more likely than any other team to have a book on him?
Why is that fair?snowmanny said:That's a good point. Although it's also fair to say that the analysis they made on him turned out to be badly short of the mark.
JimBoSox9 said:Why is that fair?
TheYaz67 said:I think he has broken the ERA+ stat (he's got a "902" ERA+)....
Right. Sorry for the gibberish.TheYaz67 said:
They thought he was "only" worth two months of Andrew Miller, so maybe they didn't understand
his stuff/upside after all, I think that is what he is implying....
snowmanny said:Right. Sorry for the gibberish.
I'm sure they knew they were unloading a real prospect, but did they know how good a prospect they were unloading? I think no. Heck, there's at least a case to be made that they would have been better off trading Gausman who was not even on the table. I think that if they could take that one back they abolutely would.JimBoSox9 said:
Well, I thought I was going to have to explain why thinking of that trade as evidence of Baltimore's disregard for Eduardo is simple-minded, but I see you've come around! Wonderful. Last year, the O's thought they had a real shot at a real postseason run, and they thought Miller was the guy most likely to give them the marginal win down the stretch to get them there. It's just as likely Boston used their leverage to extract someone Baltimore didn't want to see go, as it is the latter thinking they got a deal by unloading a non-prospect. Showalter said as much in his remarks yesterday or this afternoon.
I think they knew exactly how good he was, but they were also messing around with him mechanically to slow down his change-up and it wasn't going all that well. The first thing the Sox did upon acquiring him was let him go back to his old mechanics, and what we've seen from him thus far was more or less the immediate result.Eddie Jurak said:I'm sure they knew they were unloading a real prospect, but did they know how good a prospect they were unloading? I think no. Heck, there's at least a case to be made that they would have been better off trading Gausman who was not even on the table. I think that if they could take that one back they abolutely would.
Eddie Jurak said:I'm sure they knew they were unloading a real prospect, but did they know how good a prospect they were unloading? I think no. Heck, there's at least a case to be made that they would have been better off trading Gausman who was not even on the table. I think that if they could take that one back they abolutely would.
Sprowl said:New pitchFX pastry: the Edronut.
Bosoxen said:
I'm not sure we can really call him homegrown. He was acquired in a trade less than 12 months ago.
Even the bad outing could/should have been much better than 9 ER. He had those two high pop-ups that we lost in the sun that had to be ruled hits.....I believe one scored a run then a HR by the following batter scored two more. It wasn't like he had completely lost it for one day even though he wasn't great.....he had a ton of bad luck in that game too.ivanvamp said:Five starts. One horrible one. Four dominant ones.
I'm ok with that.
His one bad outing: 4.2 ip, 8 h, 9 r, 9 er, 3 bb, 1 k, 17.36 era, 2.36 whip, 1.9 k/9
His four dominant outings: 27.0 ip, 14 h, 2 r, 2 er, 8 bb, 26 k, 0.67 era, 0.81 whip, 8.7 k/9
HomeRunBaker said:Even the bad outing could/should have been much better than 9 ER. He had those two high pop-ups that we lost in the sun that had to be ruled hits.....I believe one scored a run then a HR by the following batter scored two more. It wasn't like he had completely lost it for one day even though he wasn't great.....he had a ton of bad luck in that game too.
Suffice it to say, however, the Red Sox believe they've found whatever the Baltimore Orioles found that was tipping off the pitches Eduardo Rodriguez was throwing out of the stretch last week. "It was borderline obvious," said Willis, the Red Sox pitching coach. "He'd been so good out of the windup. Going back and looking at the pitches he executed from the stretch, they were still quality pitches. It's safe to say that there's a good likelihood that could have had something to do with it."
Don Buddin's GS said:Sports on Earth reprint of Alex Skillin's BP Boston piece on the man with the 2nd fastest fastball of any lefthander in the majors, behind only Chris Sale:
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/134484568/eduardo-rodriguez-red-sox-youth-movement
Might have been, but he was also throwing the ball straight down the middle which certainly didn't help.Scott Cooper said:I didn't see the game. Did he really give up 8 hits on basically 8 pitches. Maybe he was tipping?
Remy made a comment about him tipping even before the onslaught began.Scott Cooper said:I didn't see the game. Did he really give up 8 hits on basically 8 pitches. Maybe he was tipping?
Remy called the pitch tipping again then when Farrell was questioned by reporters if this was an issue today he responded (paraphrasing), "No, we took care of that in side sessions. That isn't an issue any longer." I'm still waiting for one of the reporters to ask the follow up "That's interesting to hear since Remy was calling the pitches in the booth while Eddie was come-set. Your thoughts on that John?"Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat said:Remy made a comment about him tipping even before the onslaught began.