Apparently not which probably means Jastremski wiped them from his phone as well. That makes the whole thing look even worse.CaptainLaddie said:Can't they get them from Jastremski?
And how do you know this in regards to the texts being wiped clean? I haven't seen that anywhere.HomeBrew1901 said:Apparently not which probably means Jastremski wiped them from his phone as well. That makes the whole thing look even worse.
See we have nothing to hide, other than these 3 texts that we can no longer show you, outside of those we have nothing to hide.
Like I said, Yee needs to shut the fuck up because there isn't anything he can say that will help Brady at this point.
http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/tom-bradys-agent-says-nfl-mischaracterized-cell-phone-issue“We compiled all of Tom’s personal cell phone billing records from his vendor from September through the end of February 2015. The records detail every incoming and outgoing phone call. Every incoming and outgoing text,” Yee explains. “We submitted that to the commissioner. They would then be able to determine were there any other communications with Patriots personnel that were not outlined in the Wells Report. Everything matched up perfectly with the Wells Report with the exception of three texts between Tom and [John] Jastrzemski on February 7, and that was only because Wells had given Jastrzemski’s phone back [on] February 7. As far as any texts prior to the AFC Championship Game, where any alleged scheming would have taken place, Ted Wells would have had any communications between Tom, Jastrzemski and [Jim] McNally. This personal phone billing record compiled by an independent third party shows that he had no communications at all with McNally.
You mean other than those being the only 3 texts they can't find?LuckyBen said:And how do you know this in regards to the texts being wiped clean? I haven't seen that anywhere.
I thought it said those were the only three texts between the two during that time, will look back for reference.HomeBrew1901 said:You mean other than those being the only 3 texts they can't find?
That doesn't look fishy to you at all?
The texts could have been gathered from JJ as apart of TB's offer to canvass his contacts for more info. Goodell declined.HomeBrew1901 said:You mean other than those being the only 3 texts they can't find?
That doesn't look fishy to you at all?
The NFL returned Jastremski's phone the 6th, which is why the texts from the 7th weren't there.HomeBrew1901 said:You mean other than those being the only 3 texts they can't find?
That doesn't look fishy to you at all?
That seems troublesome to me as well. Any mention of that in the Wells report and/or Goodell's followup?You mean other than those being the only 3 texts they can't find?
That doesn't look fishy to you at all?
HomeBrew1901 said:You mean other than those being the only 3 texts they can't find?
That doesn't look fishy to you at all?
nighthob said:The NFL returned Jastremski's phone the 6th, which is why the texts from the 7th weren't there.
nighthob said:The NFL returned Jastremski's phone the 6th, which is why the texts from the 7th weren't there.
nighthob said:The NFL returned Jastremski's phone the 6th, which is why the texts from the 7th weren't there.
( . ) ( . ) and (_!_) said:
How was this not immediately obvious to everyone?
( . ) ( . ) and (_!_) said:
How was this not immediately obvious to everyone?
Big time "duh" on my part. Of course. Makes perfect sense in the timeline of things.How was this not immediately obvious to everyone?
Or there are multiple pieces out there with differing levels of information, and it's impossible to read all of them.There is no Rev said:
They don't click the links and read the pieces.
I have re-edited RedOctober's post to include that as the "blurb."
Belated... but well done here...Lose Remerswaal said:"If you attack the New England Patriots, aren't you in fact attacking the entire United States of America? I for one will not sit still while you sully the name of the Greatest Country on the Face of this Earth!"
Honest question, no snark, are we talking about Brady's NFL Phone or Personal Phone?( . ) ( . ) and (_!_) said:
How was this not immediately obvious to everyone?
DrewDawg said:Also, these texts were after the AFC title game. Are we really supposed to think that despite Brady and his minions covering up the plot to deflate so well it was never mentioned anywhere else BEFORE it happened, that after the game, when everyone knew the league was on the prowl, at this point they discuss the nefarious plot?
What NFL phone? They don't give cell phones to players. The only phone in question is his personal phone.HomeBrew1901 said:Honest question, no snark, are we talking about Brady's NFL Phone or Personal Phone?
Why is Jastremski texting Brady's personal phone after it was returned to him?
And it's the same logic that both Wells and Roger used when discussing the uptick in communication after the AFC Championship Game: they're talking now, it must be a cover up! It defies all logic.MuppetAsteriskTalk said:
This is just one of those things that totally defies logic. They were smart enough not to use the phones to discuss this when nobody was on to them. But once the heat was on, and even after JJ's phone had been collected by the NFL, they suddenly decided to start texting incriminating information.... Makes sense to nobody with a brain.
HomeBrew1901 said:Honest question, no snark, are we talking about Brady's NFL Phone or Personal Phone?
Why is Jastremski texting Brady's personal phone after it was returned to him?
I may be completely mistaken but for some reason I thought the Patriots provided their employees phones which were the phones that were turned over to Wells by all the employees including Belichick but not their personal phones.RedOctober3829 said:What NFL phone? They don't give cell phones to players. The only phone in question is his personal phone.
MuppetAsteriskTalk said:
This is just one of those things that totally defies logic. They were smart enough not to use the phones to discuss this when nobody was on to them. But once the heat was on, and even after JJ's phone had been collected by the NFL, they suddenly decided to start texting incriminating information.... Makes sense to nobody with a brain.
No, the players do not get team-issued phones.HomeBrew1901 said:I may be completely mistaken but for some reason I thought the Patriots provided their employees phones which were the phones that were turned over to Wells by all the employees including Belichick but not their personal phones.
I assumed that also meant players rec'd them as well.
HomeBrew1901 said:Honest question, no snark, are we talking about Brady's NFL Phone or Personal Phone?
Why is Jastremski texting Brady's personal phone after it was returned to him?
“We compiled all of Tom’s personal cell phone billing records from his vendor from September through the end of February 2015. The records detail every incoming and outgoing phone call. Every incoming and outgoing text,” Yee explains. “We submitted that to the commissioner. They would then be able to determine were there any other communications with Patriots personnel that were not outlined in the Wells Report. Everything matched up perfectly with the Wells Report with the exception of three texts between Tom and [John] Jastrzemski on February 7, and that was only because Wells had given Jastrzemski’s phone back [on] February 7. As far as any texts prior to the AFC Championship Game, where any alleged scheming would have taken place, Ted Wells would have had any communications between Tom, Jastrzemski and [Jim] McNally. This personal phone billing record compiled by an independent third party shows that he had no communications at all with McNally.
Ed Hillel said:
JJ: "Hey Tom, what's shakin'?"
TB: "Not much, man, how was the whole Wells thing?"
JJ: "Not bad, but I did want to let you know that they are reading through text messages, so make sure to never text anybody about how we deflated all those footballs."
Shelterdog said:
Anyone who's ever worked on an investigation of any kind will tell you that people do the dumbest fucking things.
Eddie Jurak said:One way or another, Kraft's days as an NFL owner are numbered. He was powerless in May and he is powerless now. Game, set, and match to Goodell.
Erik Hanson's Hook said:
What do you mean by this?
Brady wasn't but Jastremski and McNally were.MuppetAsteriskTalk said:
I get that, but wouldn't they likely have been texting about it before then also?
Shelterdog said:
Anyone who's ever worked on an investigation of any kind will tell you that people do the dumbest fucking things.
HomeBrew1901 said:Brady wasn't but Jastremski and McNally were.
Unless you believe that McNally was calling himself "The Deflator" because he was a portly fellow.
LOLMuppetAsteriskTalk said:
They also called each other Dorito Dinks. And I'm pretty sure neither of them has a salty fried corn snack in their pants.
HomeBrew1901 said:LOL
Would it surprise you if either of these morons did though?
Maybe I'm being naive but I really don't think this level of assholery can stand the test of time. Or at least the test of a truly nuetral judge. As this phone thing plays out its so clear that it's a deeply dickish move designed to get the right headlines and push public opinion and not as a way of presenting the merits of their case.There is no Rev said:
That's true and fair. The leak of the phone stuff before the ruling was announced does sorta reek of a very intentional and self-conscious smear campaign, and I'm usually loathe to begin with believing that that's how professionals are operating.
This is potentially pretty loathsome behavior even by NFL league office standards. As awful as the Ray Rice debacle was, at least that was just them being callously ignorant shitheads.
There is no Rev said:
That's true and fair. The leak of the phone stuff before the ruling was announced does sorta reek of a very intentional and self-conscious smear campaign, and I'm usually loathe to begin with believing that that's how professionals are operating.
This is potentially pretty loathsome behavior even by NFL league office standards. As awful as the Ray Rice debacle was, at least that was just them being callously ignorant shitheads.
Punchado said:Maybe I'm being naive but I really don't think this level of assholery can stand the test of time. Or at least the test of a truly nuetral judge. As this phone thing plays out its so clear that it's a deeply dickish move designed to get the right headlines and push public opinion and not as a way of presenting the merits of their case.
Punchado said:Maybe I'm being naive but I really don't think this level of assholery can stand the test of time. Or at least the test of a truly nuetral judge. As this phone thing plays out its so clear that it's a deeply dickish move designed to get the right headlines and push public opinion and not as a way of presenting the merits of their case.
Shelterdog said:
I was trying to say something different. During investigations you see the wrongdoers do the dumbest thing (e.g., saying things on recorded lines like if I get caught I'm going to jail). There are all kinds of wiretaps from NY mob cases where guys say things like "Vinny the Chin wants you to take the money to the guy"-"Sure,but you're not supposed to use Vinny the Chin's name on the phone when you talk about him because of wiretaps" "Oh yeah Vinny told me not to use his name on the phone".) Brady and DD would have been idiots to start texting about deflating balls right after the investigation started, but these things do happen.
Investigators do idiotic things as well.
scotian1 said:John Dowd's take on the suspension of Tom Brady.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/industries/2015/07/29/pete-roses-investigator-says-tom-brady-was-ambushed-by-goodell/
scotian1 said:John Dowd's take on the suspension of Tom Brady. He was ambushed!
http://www.foxbusiness.com/industries/2015/07/29/pete-roses-investigator-says-tom-brady-was-ambushed-by-goodell/
P.S. Dowd hung up on Mad Dog "Free Pete Rose" Russo recently, which was hilarious and well deserved (Russo also continues to scream about Brady's indisputable guilt BTW):“He was not suspended for failing to produce his telephone. If you read The Wells Report, it was based on alleged tampering and the text information. It wasn’t until he got on appeal that he was advised for the first time that his failure to produce the phone was a separate charge -- and that is a gross violation of fundamental fairness and due process if you will”
Punchado said:Maybe I'm being naive but I really don't think this level of assholery can stand the test of time. Or at least the test of a truly nuetral judge. As this phone thing plays out its so clear that it's a deeply dickish move designed to get the right headlines and push public opinion and not as a way of presenting the merits of their case.